Beyerdynamic M380 from Parts

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Sorry thecr4ne - i didn't notice your reply earlier. The pic on reverb showed the capsule naked - snapped into its cradle you got the metal cover on front - there are capsules that have a kind of "cap" behind the magnet, sometimes with a fine mesh, sometimes with some felt/cotton pad - these are from headphones. It prevents little hair and dirt a bit from getting on or behind the membrane, but in the mic these aren't needed as you surely won't put you precious mic somewhere on the couch.
Yes, i could send you a sweep to compare. Let's use the PM function for that. I got a reference M380 to check everything against and throw away anything that's too far off. Most headphone capsules are too full of dust and stuff to deliver 100%.
 
Resurrecting an old thread.

I managed to grab a TGX50 body for a good price and I'm hoping to convert it into an M380. I know I need a 600ohm driver from a DT880/990, which aren't too hard to track down, but I've also read that the new versions aren't the same as the old ones. Is this true? How are they different? What years had the "old ones?" Do the drivers need to be modified in any way (i.e., removing material in front of the rear ports to make them figure-8)?

If anyone has any more info and or pictures, that would be great. Thanks!
 
If I recall correctly the new ones have 200ohm drivers and the old ones have 600ohm. So, you just need to find a vintage pair. Probably easier said than done I’m sure. The figure 8 comes from both of the drivers being placed back to back.
 
If I recall correctly the new ones have 200ohm drivers and the old ones have 600ohm. So, you just need to find a vintage pair. Probably easier said than done I’m sure. The figure 8 comes from both of the drivers being placed back to back.
New 600ohm drivers are readily available: https://consolidated-sound-services.myshopify.com/products/system-600-ohms-2
Supposedly, they're different somehow than the "old" drivers though.

Also, I don't think it's true that there are two drivers back-to-back. I've only ever seen one driver, open to both sides (single diaphragm).
 
Just adding data. Here's a picture of an old (circa 1980's) pair of DT-990s (from this thread):
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...and here's a picture of the modern driver replacement:
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They sure LOOK similar.

On HiFi forums, some people have compared the sound of them in headphones, and the consensus seems to be that there's some subtle differences in the mids, but that they're definitely in the same ballpark.

So...is the "only use old drivers to repair M380's" idea just an internet rumor?

@thecr4ne / @frans - Any input?
 
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Mr. Albini tried to get Beyerdynamic to make the M380 again, again and .. again. Beyerdynamic answered that they don't have the parts and machinery to make them again... so if the current capsules were up to the task, Beyer could easily have reissued the M380. You can find more info about this in an interview Beyer did with Steve Albini a few years ago.
As headphone drivers the new capsules are not too far from what came out of the old capsules* - reversing them as microphone capsules is something else alltogether. You can try this with any headphones you have - try to use them like a mic and put them in front of a sound source or maybe put them in front of a monitor speaker, record some music. Then compare that by listening to the source track on these headphones. Then listen again on your monitor speakers to what your headphones recorded.
If you do a picture search you can find more info on the old capsules.
When i was at the Beyer factory last year, i spoke to the man responsible for the production of the current capsules and he took the time to show me all the machinery in action. It is remarkable how much effort is put into making all this stuff and how much handwork is still in use - as they said everything a machine can do just as good, they let the machines do. But some steps can't be done by a machine THAT precisely and so the women there do them by hand and with the help of veeery big magnifying glasses, microscopes and so on.
I also saw how they build the other classic mics (M88, M201, etc.) by hand.
I told them i had come across a box of unused capsules and asked them if i should make a few mics for Mr. Albini. As Beyer had wanted to make him happy for some years but were unable to do so, they gave me permission ... and as Mr. Albini knew me from the Electrical Audio forum (i had given them capsules as spare parts for their M380s some years ago) he got his first mic last november, and a second one later. Steve happy, Beyer happy, me happy.

Give yourself some time and set up an automatic ebay search - you surely will snipe some of the right headphones. And to the question how the figure-8 pattern results: the membrane is suspended in a kind of "open baffle" in a round "cradle", with sound being able to emanate from the front and back. It is not two drivers coupled. The reason for this is the need for preventing sound from the back of the capsule being reflected back to the front, that would resulti in phase errors and comb filtering.

*when they did the new machinery to produce capsules, all they had in mind was meeting the specs as headphone drivers, with some new materials and methods of production.
 
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