bernbrue
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Huh, now you’ve got me. It’s more than 10 years ago 
Bernd
Bernd
[BUILD] NU FEDERAL AM-864 PCB OFFICIAL BUILD & HELP THREAD
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scott2000
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Collins 26U-2 has a similar thing as well I believe....
bernbrue
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Honestly, I can’t remember anymore. Best think is to try out and change later if it’s wrong. It won’t do any harm. Good luck with your new compressor.
Bernd
Bernd
I am attempting to wire up the power transformer. I got the Don Audio Toroid with 2x 180v, 2x 6.3 and 9v. I am guessing that one each of the 6.3v goes to the " Fil AC", but then do I wire up the 2x 180v in parallel to the B+ AC on one of the boards? Also, which values for R1 and R2 should I try?
Thanks
Thanks
madreza
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Hi guys.
What voltage for C9 C10 and C11 ?
Thanks
What voltage for C9 C10 and C11 ?
Thanks
bernbrue
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35V or more.
Bernd
Bernd
Fortunately, my over a year long voyage with this build is finally over!
I a mysterious problem with the unit not compressing and barely reacting to anything. In the process, I went through checking all the things I could think of. I even found mislabeled resistor numbers on the input pad part of the pcb.
Since this corona s**t got me with too much time to spare, I went back to troubleshoot the unit.
Finally I've found that there was a broken trace from triode grid of the 6AV6 (pin 1) and wiper pin of the current control pot. Since I've been checking wiring if it was faulty and it always checked fine, I didn't go through testing what is going on on the pcb. Well, problem of my unit was actually on the board itself. How that happened I don't know! Probably I overheated it when stuffing components, since I doubt it was manufactured with this error. I fixed it with a wire link and it works now!
I also made a few modifications. I've lowered C16 to 0.5uF and R12 to 500k. Those two values sped up the release. And also I lowered R13 to around 5k to speed up the attack time. I've tried many combinations of those three values and this is what I most liked. They all depend on each other so it's not possible to modify attack without affecting the release and vice versa.
I'm happy now! It is packed and ready to be installed in studio rack!
Luka
I a mysterious problem with the unit not compressing and barely reacting to anything. In the process, I went through checking all the things I could think of. I even found mislabeled resistor numbers on the input pad part of the pcb.
Since this corona s**t got me with too much time to spare, I went back to troubleshoot the unit.
Finally I've found that there was a broken trace from triode grid of the 6AV6 (pin 1) and wiper pin of the current control pot. Since I've been checking wiring if it was faulty and it always checked fine, I didn't go through testing what is going on on the pcb. Well, problem of my unit was actually on the board itself. How that happened I don't know! Probably I overheated it when stuffing components, since I doubt it was manufactured with this error. I fixed it with a wire link and it works now!
I also made a few modifications. I've lowered C16 to 0.5uF and R12 to 500k. Those two values sped up the release. And also I lowered R13 to around 5k to speed up the attack time. I've tried many combinations of those three values and this is what I most liked. They all depend on each other so it's not possible to modify attack without affecting the release and vice versa.
I'm happy now! It is packed and ready to be installed in studio rack!
Luka
bernbrue
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Glad to hear that you finally sorted out the problem. Enjoy the compressor.
Bernd
Bernd
Hi,
This looks like an interesting build! I have to try something like this.
I've been studying the stereo link on vari-mu units like this. I'm trying to read the schematic, and is the stereo link on this unit simply a matter of connecting the center taps together on input transfomers' secondaries ?
Cheers!
This looks like an interesting build! I have to try something like this.
I've been studying the stereo link on vari-mu units like this. I'm trying to read the schematic, and is the stereo link on this unit simply a matter of connecting the center taps together on input transfomers' secondaries ?
Cheers!
bernbrue
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Hi,
linking the sidechains of both channels at the input secondaries ensures that both channels have the same time constants. You still need to match the input/output levels on both channels.
This project quite complex and certainly not a tube beginners project. All in all it’s worth the time and effort you have to put in this project.
Bernd
linking the sidechains of both channels at the input secondaries ensures that both channels have the same time constants. You still need to match the input/output levels on both channels.
This project quite complex and certainly not a tube beginners project. All in all it’s worth the time and effort you have to put in this project.
Bernd
Hi there
Can I use this trafo for a Stereo version ?
https://www.tube-town.net/ttstore/toroidal-62va.html
Using only one psu?
Or is it better to go with recommended DonAudio trafo?
Although I have the feeling im answering myself...
Can I use this trafo for a Stereo version ?
https://www.tube-town.net/ttstore/toroidal-62va.html
Using only one psu?
Or is it better to go with recommended DonAudio trafo?
Although I have the feeling im answering myself...
So I have been messing with this thing a lot lately.
It seems to me that the input pot is not input volume but rather a balance between the two 6BA6 tubes. There is only one position for the input pot that doesnt sound like crap. is that how everyone elses units work?
Also, R9 doesnt do anything for my meter. The meter trim pot gets it in the right range though. What is the purpose of R9?
Lastly, my voltages at E and F are 1.7v while everything else is matched to the recommended voltage. Is that ok?
It seems to me that the input pot is not input volume but rather a balance between the two 6BA6 tubes. There is only one position for the input pot that doesnt sound like crap. is that how everyone elses units work?
Also, R9 doesnt do anything for my meter. The meter trim pot gets it in the right range though. What is the purpose of R9?
Lastly, my voltages at E and F are 1.7v while everything else is matched to the recommended voltage. Is that ok?
Hi guys
Fully on with this project.
I have ordered the Sowter 8540 input transformers, but they have a huge delivery time, so meanwhile I went on searching for other alternatives that would work.
I have found the Cinemag CMOL-2X600T2 600:600.
Technically it's an output transformer.. But otherwise it seems to me, that it shoud be working just fine..?
Has anyone tried this, with this project?
Because it's a 600:600, and not a 600:10K, will I have less-than-spec'd total-system-gain?
https://cinemag.biz/line_input/PDF/CMOL-2x600T2.pdf
Fully on with this project.
I have ordered the Sowter 8540 input transformers, but they have a huge delivery time, so meanwhile I went on searching for other alternatives that would work.
I have found the Cinemag CMOL-2X600T2 600:600.
Technically it's an output transformer.. But otherwise it seems to me, that it shoud be working just fine..?
Has anyone tried this, with this project?
Because it's a 600:600, and not a 600:10K, will I have less-than-spec'd total-system-gain?
https://cinemag.biz/line_input/PDF/CMOL-2x600T2.pdf
PermO
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Old topic, but I'm going to do an attempt to build this thing :-\
I have a Dizengoff D864 and I really like the way it compresses, though I also feel there's room for improvement as it comes to sound quality, it's a bit too dark for my liking.
As I was on the hunt for a spare set of tubes for this compressor I found these to be really cheap, so I got a bunch of them. 6SK7 and 6SQ7, I'll be using Sylvania 7n7 as my output tube as I allready got a bunch of these for cheap from Jaques (Highly recommend these !)
So having these tubes I figured I could do a stereo version and that's how I found this topic. Being on a tight budget I decided to do a point to point version on a upside down 2HE case with a 4HE blankpanel for a front as I allready had these sitting around.
Don Audio is still stocking this transformer, so, it's a go !
Also got a great deal on a pair of XSM10K/600 from the black market and will be using a pair of Jorgen Schou CT input transformers from an old broadcast unit.
(ah..now it shows)
I guess these could be the real deal from the right era ?
I'm now in the process of collecting all the bits and pieces and figuring out how to put it all together.
I really like the design you guys did, in function it's the same as the Dizengoff unit, but listening to the youtube clips I think you did a better job as it comes to sound quality of this unit.
The info in this topic is quite amazing, thanks for this !
I've printed the original manual and all the schematics.
I have a Dizengoff D864 and I really like the way it compresses, though I also feel there's room for improvement as it comes to sound quality, it's a bit too dark for my liking.
As I was on the hunt for a spare set of tubes for this compressor I found these to be really cheap, so I got a bunch of them. 6SK7 and 6SQ7, I'll be using Sylvania 7n7 as my output tube as I allready got a bunch of these for cheap from Jaques (Highly recommend these !)
So having these tubes I figured I could do a stereo version and that's how I found this topic. Being on a tight budget I decided to do a point to point version on a upside down 2HE case with a 4HE blankpanel for a front as I allready had these sitting around.
Don Audio is still stocking this transformer, so, it's a go !
Also got a great deal on a pair of XSM10K/600 from the black market and will be using a pair of Jorgen Schou CT input transformers from an old broadcast unit.
(ah..now it shows)
I guess these could be the real deal from the right era ?
I'm now in the process of collecting all the bits and pieces and figuring out how to put it all together.
I really like the design you guys did, in function it's the same as the Dizengoff unit, but listening to the youtube clips I think you did a better job as it comes to sound quality of this unit.
The info in this topic is quite amazing, thanks for this !
I've printed the original manual and all the schematics.
The project is going really well here..
After waiting 5 months for the Sowter 8540 transformers, I am now "done".
It still doesn't compress.. -so there is a bug somewhere I have not yet resolved.
Here are a few notes I made along the way:
In terms of power, I eventually ended up using 2x 1K ohm resistors in R1 and R2, to get the same values as Bernbrue.
R8 I had to switch to 100ohm instead of 240 to make E and F fit.
The 12ax7 tubes I had required 12 VAC, so surprisingly enough I had no luck with them.
I have switched to some Russian 6N2P tubes. They have the same pinout as the 12ax7 but runs of 6.3 VAC.
One last thing that teased me was that you MUST have the transformers installed to be able to measure E, F, G and H. Otherwise they show no value.
I drew the front panel, with inspiration from DonnieDarko. Produced by Frontpanels-Frank.
After waiting 5 months for the Sowter 8540 transformers, I am now "done".
It still doesn't compress.. -so there is a bug somewhere I have not yet resolved.
Here are a few notes I made along the way:
In terms of power, I eventually ended up using 2x 1K ohm resistors in R1 and R2, to get the same values as Bernbrue.
R8 I had to switch to 100ohm instead of 240 to make E and F fit.
The 12ax7 tubes I had required 12 VAC, so surprisingly enough I had no luck with them.
I have switched to some Russian 6N2P tubes. They have the same pinout as the 12ax7 but runs of 6.3 VAC.
One last thing that teased me was that you MUST have the transformers installed to be able to measure E, F, G and H. Otherwise they show no value.
I drew the front panel, with inspiration from DonnieDarko. Produced by Frontpanels-Frank.
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PermO
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Well, it's hitting hard on the scale of awesomeness.
That's a very cool build ! 8)
If I understand this thing a bit, there should be a DC control voltage at the input transformer CT controlling the gain reduction.
If it's not there, work down the line from there to find it.
I've just started looking into this thing as I am planning to build it, I'm defenitely not an authority on this.
That's a very cool build ! 8)
If I understand this thing a bit, there should be a DC control voltage at the input transformer CT controlling the gain reduction.
If it's not there, work down the line from there to find it.
I've just started looking into this thing as I am planning to build it, I'm defenitely not an authority on this.
Hi, I ve also finished my Unit.This piece sounds really nice, especially on Vocals and Bass. The Tubes are adding at higher compression thick dense mids, more raises slightly the upper bass band amounts and defuses high sharp amounts.
On drums this piece also does a nice job with moderate settings....
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Some things that I want to share with you:
-I ve tested -like Reuben- also a 12AU7 - no problems. But the Outputgain is much lower. I think a 12AT7 will also work. But I ve put a 12AX7 inside and I like it best
-Very important - the two heaters of the 12A..7 Tube are running with only 3,2V because the wiring is serial and that needs usually 12,6V Heater Voltage to get the 6,3 V AC on each heater. That means with the provided 6,3~Volt AC Supply you have on each heater in serial only 3,15~ Volt AC Drop -> so it is necessary to wire it in parallel! Or the 12A..7 will not heat up and stays nearly cold, no glowing... ( like Reuben mentioned, THANKS man!!!) Look at my photo (parallel 6,3V means one Phase on Tube Pin 4+5 ! and the other on Pin 9)
-As Input Transformer I tried Edcors with 600/10k, 10k/10k and Lundahl 1540. But the Tubes are so strongly dominant that there is not any audible difference. You can save your money using a cheap Edcor Input TX
If you want to use an InTX like me with 1:4 600/10k it is necessary to use additionally a12dB Input H-Pad Attenuator or you will get ultra heavy distortion ( that means R14, R15, R16, R17= 180 Ohm, and Bridge R18 =320 Ohm)
If you use the 10k/10k (or I think a 600/600 Ohm Input TX will also work) you can skip the Input H Pad or set it only to 1dB Attenuation.
For a 1:2 TX like I ve tested with the Lundahl 1540 I ve needed a 6dB H Pad attenuation.
The results were all veryyyy close
-I am using a cheap 500uA DC Meter from China, the SD-65 from Ali....
To get that piece properly working you need to adjust R10 and also the Zero Meterpot (1k lin pot + R10 240Ohm standard for 200uA I think). But this also depends strongly from the used 6BA6 Tubes. I ve tested Valvos and GE 6BA6 Tubes. The 6BA6 Tubes from GE are "hotter" for the meter. The sound of the compressor does not really change a lot with the Valvos. For my used 500uA Meter and the GE 6BA6 Tubes I have used for R10 a 5,1K Resistor with 0,6W and as "Meter Zero" Pot a 20K Lin". That works well. But don't expect to much precission.... For testing the Valvo 6BA6 I ve needed for R10 a 12K Resistor and also the 20k Lin Pot for Zero and re-adjusting.....
-The Output TX Edcor XXP1 600/10k works also perfectly ....
-For the Power TX I ve used from Audiophonics in France a standard "stock-TX" (perfectly for Mono!) with sec. 200V 0,1A and 6,3V 2A for about 40 Bucks all....
I have also used the 6,3V heater AC Voltage for the V+ DC Rail to convert it to 5V DC -> Bypass Relays 5V, Lamps all 5V / Leds with 5V (+Pre-Dropresisitor).....
For B+ tweaking I ve needed a 1K and 3,3K Resistors 10W for tweaking down the Voltage to about 210 Volts DC
-I ve done all recommended Mods like mentioned on the first Post from Bernd
Thats all, no Problems....
Thanks to Bernd "Bernbrue" for this super nice sounding build. (And also Reuben) Its really a very, very special compressor....
-I ve tested -like Reuben- also a 12AU7 - no problems. But the Outputgain is much lower. I think a 12AT7 will also work. But I ve put a 12AX7 inside and I like it best
-Very important - the two heaters of the 12A..7 Tube are running with only 3,2V because the wiring is serial and that needs usually 12,6V Heater Voltage to get the 6,3 V AC on each heater. That means with the provided 6,3~Volt AC Supply you have on each heater in serial only 3,15~ Volt AC Drop -> so it is necessary to wire it in parallel! Or the 12A..7 will not heat up and stays nearly cold, no glowing... ( like Reuben mentioned, THANKS man!!!) Look at my photo (parallel 6,3V means one Phase on Tube Pin 4+5 ! and the other on Pin 9)
-As Input Transformer I tried Edcors with 600/10k, 10k/10k and Lundahl 1540. But the Tubes are so strongly dominant that there is not any audible difference. You can save your money using a cheap Edcor Input TX
If you want to use an InTX like me with 1:4 600/10k it is necessary to use additionally a12dB Input H-Pad Attenuator or you will get ultra heavy distortion ( that means R14, R15, R16, R17= 180 Ohm, and Bridge R18 =320 Ohm)
If you use the 10k/10k (or I think a 600/600 Ohm Input TX will also work) you can skip the Input H Pad or set it only to 1dB Attenuation.
For a 1:2 TX like I ve tested with the Lundahl 1540 I ve needed a 6dB H Pad attenuation.
The results were all veryyyy close
-I am using a cheap 500uA DC Meter from China, the SD-65 from Ali....
To get that piece properly working you need to adjust R10 and also the Zero Meterpot (1k lin pot + R10 240Ohm standard for 200uA I think). But this also depends strongly from the used 6BA6 Tubes. I ve tested Valvos and GE 6BA6 Tubes. The 6BA6 Tubes from GE are "hotter" for the meter. The sound of the compressor does not really change a lot with the Valvos. For my used 500uA Meter and the GE 6BA6 Tubes I have used for R10 a 5,1K Resistor with 0,6W and as "Meter Zero" Pot a 20K Lin". That works well. But don't expect to much precission.... For testing the Valvo 6BA6 I ve needed for R10 a 12K Resistor and also the 20k Lin Pot for Zero and re-adjusting.....
-The Output TX Edcor XXP1 600/10k works also perfectly ....
-For the Power TX I ve used from Audiophonics in France a standard "stock-TX" (perfectly for Mono!) with sec. 200V 0,1A and 6,3V 2A for about 40 Bucks all....
I have also used the 6,3V heater AC Voltage for the V+ DC Rail to convert it to 5V DC -> Bypass Relays 5V, Lamps all 5V / Leds with 5V (+Pre-Dropresisitor).....
For B+ tweaking I ve needed a 1K and 3,3K Resistors 10W for tweaking down the Voltage to about 210 Volts DC
-I ve done all recommended Mods like mentioned on the first Post from Bernd
Thats all, no Problems....
Thanks to Bernd "Bernbrue" for this super nice sounding build. (And also Reuben) Its really a very, very special compressor....
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Some Drumsamples on the Nu Federal 864
