Campaign Shock Troops

[CJ]

whats the matter, does that picture cut a little too close to the bone?

truth hurts, i know.

Legal Affairs of the rumpster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

Lawsuits Involving the rump roast>

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_involving_Donald_Trump

let's not forget his association with Epstein, the pussy grabbin comment, adultery with the porn star, the Miss Teenage America dressing room incidents, or how he said he would date his daughter. 

or the pardon of his fellow pervert and multiple felon Stone.

hopefully when Biden is elected and things return to normal  you will hear a loud pop as your head comes out of your azz.

 

[pucho812]

having been living in protest central  for over 20 years where things escalate for anything from a winning sports team to actual issues, I can tell you hindsight is always 20/20. It's easy to look after the fact and pass judgement on actions that happened in the moment. I learned long ago, from an Alameda county sheriff deputy  that they are trained to stop perceived threats, if you are a perceived threat to an officer of the law, they will act accordingly until you are not a perceived threat.  While we can judge  my perception vs your perception of what a threat is, and we can look at a situation after the fact and learn form it, it does not change what happened.  considering the heightened tension I am not surprised  at anything that has happened.  Clearly the city of Portland much like Seattle has let it go on  just because. Hell they finally removed the Chaz/chop zone in Seattle and all it took was a march to the mayors house, the shakedown of businesses, the 3 murders, damage to public and private property, the looting and theft, all of  it was not enough until  they showed up on the mayors doorstep.  there are ways to address these grievances, antifa and the ilk in Portland  have chosen to do so in a non peaceful manor. Ultimately if the city refuses to keep it's citizens safe, there will be other agencies who will do so.  Don't want that, then don't act  out like that. Again we have a legal right to assemble and address grievances, not act the fool. More over if you dress the same and you can't be distinguished as a peaceful protester vs antifa perhaps you need a different outfit? After all, the big claim is they are taking away the peaceful ones right?

 

[Winston OBoogie]

C.J.
I think the issue was the meme:

Ivanka:  "I don't have a racist bone in my body"
Trump: "Do you want one?"
 
However, there are numerous times through the years that he's sexualised the relationship with his daughter, starting when she was 16!
There's no need to post examples, it's out there for any and all to read (listen to)...  or ignore 

While I'm not suggesting there has ever been anything involving actual incest, it's very creepy snd disturbing for a father to talk about his daughter the way Trump has about his.   

To be "offended" by a meme but not the actual offensive words that Trump's has spoken is f**king incredulous. 

 

[Winston OBoogie]

After all, the big claim is they are taking away the peaceful ones right?

That,  and causing serious bodily injury to obviously non threatening people.  Guessing you haven't watched the videos?

The other claim by local and state authorities is that  the fed presence has succeeded in escalating things.  But maybe that's Trump's intent?

 

[Matador]

hopefully when Biden is elected and things return to normal  you will hear a loud pop as your head comes out of your azz.

Damn you CJ, I nearly ruined a keyboard after spitting coffee all over it!

 

[john12ax7]

More over if you dress the same and you can't be distinguished as a peaceful protester vs antifa perhaps you need a different outfit?

Shouldn't this line of reasoning be applied to the other side as well? It seems a big part of problem is officers whose dress and behavior can't be distinguished from kidnappers.

I don't condone the violence.  But I also don't condone what seems an infringement on civil liberties and states rights.  Those who uphold the law have a duty to act from a higher moral and ethical ground than those who break it.  Otherwise what becomes of the entire system?

 

[Matador]

Shouldn't this line of reasoning be applied to the other side as well? It seems a big part of problem is officers whose dress and behavior can't be distinguished from kidnappers.

Agreed, and it also reeks of "That dress was pretty short, and why were you out so late at night in that part of town?  Sounds like you were asking for it!".

People who damage property and break laws should be held responsible, but those who are applauding extrajudicial remedies don't seem to be doing much introspection about why people are so pissed off in the first place.

 

[Winston OBoogie]

Is it possible there are people that don't approve of any of this on any level. The protests, the government intervention,the police brutality, the crime, child molesting,Trump, Biden......

Sure, it's possible, and they should remain free to do so. 

I get it regarding C.J. 's meme.  And that point was off topic anyway so...

I was mainly interested in whether supporters of this  fed intervention (there have been some on here) are also supportive of  the means used to reach the goal.  Are arrests, or serious injuries to non threatening, non crime committing people considered just "collateral damage"? 

To be honest, I'm kinda done with the topic unless or until there are developments.  Whatever happens will happen, each to each in terms of opinions.  I doubt mine or anyone else's will be changed by these discussions. 

Latest I've seen regarding federal deployment:

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/criminal-justice/ct-chicago-police-dhs-deployment-20200720-dftu5ychwbcxtg4ltarh5qnwma-story.html

 

[Winston OBoogie]

People who damage property and break laws should be held responsible, but those who are applauding extrajudicial remedies don't seem to be doing much introspection about why people are so pissed off in the first place.

Yep.    Looking online, some folks seem  more concerned about  the right to wave a confederate flag or  not wear a mask  than they are about the rights of certain members of society.    Suggesting that "black lives matter" too seems to get them very triggered.

 

[boji]

Thread's performative message:  rely on the light and sound coming out of your computer devices to know what to think and what to say (Mother's daily sermon, broadcast from a giant megascreen).

Gloating, goading, moral obviousness, prophesy, certainty of cause? This is persuasive dialogue? Sounds more like minds beat down and ready to say and believe anything to get unsick, I'd wager.

Wouldn't you agree our sense of the collective condition must not be determined by algorithms that select for our maximum viewing time?

I think it critical we stop saying amen to the media's selective portrayal of the worst in us. Also think there's zero guarantee the next American CEO (whichever face it takes), will give us the medicine for the media's diagnosis of our ailments. 
After all, if we were "fixed," the media industrial complex would lose the key ingredient to keeping our attention! 

Yall are way smarter than this. Like crush-me-with-your-pinky-toe smarter.

 

[hodad]

Gloating, goading, moral obviousness, prophesy, certainty of cause?

You know that "prophecy" is a noun, and "prophesy" is a verb, right? 

 

[boji]

You know that "prophecy" is a noun, and "prophesy" is a verb, right?

Forgot nitpicking, thanks!  ;D  (man, can I hire you as an editor?)

 

[CJ]

the right to protest  is, has been, and will continue to be a vital instrument used by the people to right things that are wrong with this country.

Hell, this country was formed by a protest. What was it called? Oh yeah, The Chicago Tea Party or something like that.

President Johnson enabled the Voting Rights Act after the Alabama State Troopers bludgeoned a bunch of women and children back in 64.

Then there was Nam. Protesters got us out of that mess. Took a while but we won.

This current administration has fascism as one of it's key ingredients. Keep people down. Keep them under control. Call up the Gestapo to put the hurt on the freedom fighters. And it involves politics too>

"A secretive, nationwide police force — created without congressional input or authorization, formed from highly politicized agencies, tasked with rooting out vague threats and answerable only to the president — is a nightmare out of the fever dreams of the founding generation, federalists and antifederalists alike. It’s something Americans continue to fear and for good reason. It is a power that cannot and should not exist in a democracy, lest it undermine and destroy the entire project.

Democrats, thankfully, seem to recognize this. “We live in a democracy, not a banana republic. We will not tolerate the use of Oregonians, Washingtonians — or any other Americans — as props in President Trump’s political games,” said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi on Saturday, in a joint statement with Representative Earl Blumenauer of Oregon. “The House is committed to moving swiftly to curb these egregious abuses of power immediately.”

Have you seen the Moms in Portland? there is a group of women who are  locking arms and  forming a line between the secret police and the protesters. They got gassed the other night but came back with many more the next night. Gotta love those Moms!

and oh yeah, rump is a fascist pig, but you knew that already.
If rump were president back in 68 or 72, he would not have lived through his 4 four years.  People were a little more hardcore about resisting the government back then.

 

[Winston OBoogie]

Thoughts on this?

My  thoughts are the same as before:  I don't condone rioting or violence.

Leading up to last Friday's protest -  in Chicago, there were a total of 413 official complaints against the Chicago PD  that were identified as being directly related to the protests between May 29 and June 5.  55% of which were for excessive force, 22% for improper searches and 11% for verbal abuse, according to a recent report by the Civilian Office of Police Accountability.     

Have you seen the video of the young black woman  who was filming an arrest at a protest and was sucker punched in the mouth by a Chicago cop and lost her front tooth?

A 150 strong federal militia has already been authorised to go to Chicago so the CPD statement and video release is a pre-emptive reasoning for what is about to happen.    We may be in for a similar summer as the "long, hot summer" of 1967. 

Whatever happens, none of this will really go away until the issues behind the protests are addressed.

Y.M.M.V. 

 

[Winston OBoogie]

The statutes for when a President can intervene in a state by sending  in troops were written as Civil Rights legislation.  Specifically, the precursor to the current  United States Code Title 10, Chapter 333 was  the Third Enforcement Act which was meant  to combat the terror tactics of the Ku Klux Klan.   


It's telling to me that the new federal militia formed under the Trump administration  has been given a directive to protect  buildings, monuments, statues etc.  But not civilian rights. 

 

[hodad]

  (man, can I hire you as an editor?)

I don't think you'd enjoy that.

 

[hodad]

Thoughts on this?

I think this is the sort of thing Trump wanted to provoke.  As I noted a while back, his ads about violent protesters looked pretty silly when protests had largely fallen out of the news.  So he moves into Portland with plans to move to other cities.  Yes, it's outrageous, and protesters have a right to be angry at this blatant abuse of power; however, heading out with pvc shivs is not the right approach. 

And if you're worried about kids with Home Depot weapons, maybe you should be more worried about the guy on the other side.  He literally has an entire army (and several police forces) at his disposal.  And he has shown an utter disregard for human life.

 

[living sounds]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/americas-interior-ministry/614389/

 

[Winston OBoogie]

Are you saying the Federal gov't should pull up with some tanks and blow the Federal buildings,statues and monuments up themselves?

No.
Just that, the legislature for federal intervention without a specific 'invitation' or request by  a state  was put there specifically to protect civil rights.   
Presidents Eisenhower and Johnson used it during the 1950's and '60's in the south when black people were prevented from integrating  and registering to vote by local police and governors.
Similarly, the earlier statute was there to stop the terror tactics of the KKK during the Reconstruction era.

But the executive order recently  signed by Trump and the directive given to the DHS and border agents that were sent to Portland (and are being sent to Chicago) was to protect building, monuments, statues.      In other words, not to protect people, to protect objects.

I'm not a legal scholar by any means so... ?    I can only really comment  on the ideology of wanting to protect things rather than  people and I find it repulsive. 

 

[Winston OBoogie]

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/07/americas-interior-ministry/614389/

Yep, there ya go. 
I wonder what the more libertarian minded Trump supporters think of this?