Deaths from climate change

[scott2000]

How about we let the market work itself out

That probably would only work with a Free Market...whatever that means

 

[fazer]

How many people in this thread drive an EV and use it as their only or primary vehicle?

https://www.forbes.com/wheels/advice/affordable-evs/

I’m not opposed to people who have job income and shorter commute to buy whatever they want to fit their life style. It’s just not for me. I’m retired and live in the country. Also 30k/ 145 mile range (on the leaf )was when last year? What is the actual cost out the door for those that have bought them or lease cost?

My daughter got a used Honda Fit with 16k miles on it. Cost was 12k. It averages 39 mpg. Current mileage is 96k. Hard to beat price .

In Colorado we can have severe winter storms where gettin home could mean a parking lot on the freeway . Batteries loose capacity by what 15 percent in cold weather. Now add the heater into the picture for the battery and what’s the mileage. We drive to Moab Utah every year to mountain bike and see the beautiful national parks. It’s a haul getting there from Denver and add another 60 miles from where I live now. 398 miles.

For commuting 20 + miles a leaf would work with a best guess of 145 miles per charge but I would rather drive my daughters $12k fit to MOAB ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. I can put a 5 Gallon gas can in the back and get an extra 160miles out of it. And save myself $28k. This excludes the oil service and a alternator replacement that cost $600 to replace. What shape is the battery pack In after a100k? What capacity will that batteries be at after 100k. Can you lease them and at what cost? How long do I wait for an available one. What is the markup on the car at the dealership.

This makes me think of Davos. 2016. You will rent everything and you will be happy.

If it makes sense to you have at it. I’m retired and my cars are paid for. I plan to drive them that way. I hope our state does not try to pull what CA has done.

 

[fazer]

That said. I support electric assist bikes. I can buy a mid drive motor and battery pack for under $1k for my mountain bike to use in Moab. Or pedal down to the Safeway in fair weather.

Also considering solar with battery storage to run my well if power goes out. The problem is the inverter pump is 6 to 10k and a natural gas/gasoline 9.5kw generator cost me $799 at Costco to run the pump I have when seldom needed.

My needs and the market is what drives my purchases. When the government gets involved, watch the price go through the roof, Like what they have done with education.

 

[Matador]

For commuting 20 + miles a leaf would work with a best guess of 145 miles per charge but I would rather drive my daughters $12k fit to MOAB ANY DAY OF THE WEEK. I can put a 5 Gallon gas can in the back and get an extra 160miles out of it. And save myself $28k.

My wife drives a Fiat 500e that she inherited from her cousin. She commutes roughly 25 miles each day, and charges around three times a week. She currently sets up charging to end by 5:30am (from a basic Level 2 240V/16amp charging plug), so the bulk of charging happens at off-peak (e.g. lowest rates), and it costs the equivalent of about $1 per gallon (or about 130 mpg equivalent).

Why are you comparing a new Leaf with a used Fit? A least pre-pandemic, used Leafs were selling around here for $12-13K, with an average capacity of around 100 miles. Yes, a Fit can go much father, but the equivalent to charge said Leaf for those 100 miles is around $1.17, or about 75% cheaper than gasoline for the equivalent number of miles.

I would need to find the data again, but 1-sigma trip distance in America is roughly 30 miles (meaning 68% of all trips are 30 miles or less). That 100 mile range would cover a huge chunk of miles that are actually driven.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I need to replace my '97 mustang cobra, with something newer, and reliable, and cheap. Right now nothing is cheap.

My typical driving pattern is <20 miles round trip once a week, so perhaps easily handled by an EV with an old tired battery (do the batteries fail gracefully).

For now I am just listening, and reading, no hurry.

JR

PS: I'd take one of those dual motor teslas if somebody gave me one.

 

[fazer]

My wife drives a Fiat 500e that she inherited from her cousin. She commutes roughly 25 miles each day, and charges around three times a week.

That’s a good fit for the way your wife drives. What do you do on a road trip? Do drive the fiat?

 

[fazer]

From rallyways.com
The claimed 87 mile range of the FIAT 500e is of course an estimate. If you live in a really hilly area, or your commute is almost all freeway, your range will be a little less. If you use the headlights, heater or A/C, your range will be a little less. If you stomp on the GO pedal real hard all the time, your range will be less.

My wife drives to west side of Denver once a week. 130mile round trip. Just not an answer for trip distance regardless of used leaf or fiat. Good for you guys though.

 

[Matador]

That’s a good fit for the way your wife drives. What do you do on a road trip? Do drive the fiat?

Even new, the 500e only got roughly 90 miles *maximum*, in relatively flat conditions. We've never taxed it down to zero to find out what the current battery condition is (I'm sure the onboard computer knows the condition, but they don't report it clearly for obvious reasons).

It was clearly designed around the ~30 mile daily driver: taking it on a road trip is out of the question. We have a Tundra that we occasionally use if we need to go somewhere (it's like the exact opposite of the 500e, so we figure the two cancel each other out).

On the flip side, the 500e has one of the cheaper batteries to replace as its capacity is limited. If/when it fails in the future, we'd likely donate the car entirely.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

My wife drives a Fiat 500e that she inherited from her cousin. She commutes roughly 25 miles each day, and charges around three times a week. She currently sets up charging to end by 5:30am (from a basic Level 2 240V/16amp charging plug), so the bulk of charging happens at off-peak (e.g. lowest rates), and it costs the equivalent of about $1 per gallon (or about 130 mpg equivalent).

Why are you comparing a new Leaf with a used Fit? A least pre-pandemic, used Leafs were selling around here for $12-13K, with an average capacity of around 100 miles. Yes, a Fit can go much father, but the equivalent to charge said Leaf for those 100 miles is around $1.17, or about 75% cheaper than gasoline for the equivalent number of miles.

A used Fit with 100k miles is maybe halfway through its life. A used EV has how many miles left before major repair/replacement? For how much longer will Leaf or 500e compatible batteries be available for replacement?

I would need to find the data again, but 1-sigma trip distance in America is roughly 30 miles (meaning 68% of all trips are 30 miles or less). That 100 mile range would cover a huge chunk of miles that are actually driven.

Great. What about the people who don't fit into the great Gaussian you posit? What about the tails of the typical trip distribution? Are we supposed to buy a second car just for vacation or longer trips with all the additional maintenance, insurance, registration, and taxes? Many people cannot manage the same tradeoffs you made.

Your choice is yours to make. Other people will make a different choice. Stop trying to control other people's valid life decisions. Screw the nanny state and its supporters.

 

[fazer]

One thing I noticed when looking for a used leaf pricing, A couple of the cars had 3 previous owners. Not sure what that says about the car. Still my daughter is happy with her fit. It’s worked out well.

I have a 1990 ford f 250 I found about 3 years ago it had 37k miles on. The guy was older retired and bought it new with a big camper on It. Camper got sold before I found it. It can pull and haul anything. I put somewhere around 500 miles a year on it. I plan on keeping it for when I need to haul lumber or a work trailer or take my Kubota tractor to the dealer. 12mpg. Bought it for $6500. I hate to think about buying a new pickup as a daily driver.

It’s name is El Macho.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I used to joke I was the last red neck in MS to buy a zero turn mower. Now I joke I'm the only redneck in MS without an old pickup truck. I don't really need a pick up truck, but I wouldn't mind having a second vehicle in case my 25 YO primary vehicle has a hiccup.

My next door neighbor has about 4 vehicles. Back when I still rode a motorcycle that served as fair emergency transportation, but I sold my last motorcycle decades ago.

JR

 

[ruffrecords]

It’s name is El Macho.

We have always named our cars. Many years ago we had a red Citroen 2CV6 we called the Red Baron, Our first Renault was called Rene.We had a blue Mini Metro we called Monty. Our black Jag was named after our dear departed pet dog Gus. We had a Qashqai called Dear Prudence and our current Ford Edge is called Ruby because that is her colour.

Cheers

Ian

 

[scott2000]

Hmmm.. Guess my truck's name is Baby, considering the times I've said "come on baby" when turning the key....

 

[user 41968]

https://www.breitbart.com/local/202...lectric-car-helped-west-virginia-coal-miners/

Delicious irony...

 

[user 41968]

Antwerp Mayor Blasts "Green Dogmatics", Admits "Bankrupt" Belgium Is "The New Greece"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...-dogmatics-admits-bankrupt-belgium-new-greece
"In America people are not in this ****," exclaims mayor of Antwerp, Bart De Wever during an interview on Belgian TV.

"They are now exporters of oil and gas, but they certainly weren't twenty years ago. Climate standards are not of much use if all your companies go to America and China to produce, then you are bankrupt and the climate is not yet saved. This is the green dogmatics. People should start realizing this."

The outspoken mayor held nothing back during the Flemish current affairs program De Zevende Dag.

“Oil, gas and coal were no longer allowed. No investments were allowed in reserves. Germany does not have a single LNG terminal (a terminal for liquefied natural gas, ed.). The dumbest countries, Germany and Belgium, have phased out nuclear energy in parallel. We have pushed away all energy sources, making ourselves dependent on Putin. Now we hang on to it.”

"We will see a much angrier world.
Love; Klaus and the World Economic Forum."

 

[JohnRoberts]

Antwerp Mayor Blasts "Green Dogmatics", Admits "Bankrupt" Belgium Is "The New Greece"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...-dogmatics-admits-bankrupt-belgium-new-greece
"In America people are not in this ****," exclaims mayor of Antwerp, Bart De Wever during an interview on Belgian TV.


The outspoken mayor held nothing back during the Flemish current affairs program De Zevende Dag.



"We will see a much angrier world.
Love; Klaus and the World Economic Forum."

Europe has energy issues.

Germany is planning multiple (5?) "Floating LNG" terminals that can effectively offload LNG without the expensive permanent port infrastructure. This could be operational by the end of this year (not a minute too soon). Germany is planning to keep two of its shuttered nuclear power plants available for use as backup power, along with burning coal. Nuclear power is not very compatible with on/off short term back up use, but it is probably prudent to keep them available as Russian gas supply peters out.

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US is on a similar trajectory

"No other president since Richard Nixon in 1969-70 leased out fewer than 4.4 million acres at this stage in his first term," the authors wrote. President Harry Truman was the last to lease out fewer acres than Biden. Between 1945-46, his administration leased 65,658 acres.

OPEC just announced a small cut to support energy prices weakened by economic softening.

"OPEC and allied oil-producing countries, including Russia, made a small trim in their supplies to the global economy Monday, underlining their unhappiness as recession fears help drive down crude prices — along with the cost of gasoline, to drivers' delight," the AP reports. "The decision for October rolls back a mostly symbolic increase of 100,000 barrels per day in September.

JR

 

[wlinart]

Antwerp Mayor Blasts "Green Dogmatics", Admits "Bankrupt" Belgium Is "The New Greece"

https://www.zerohedge.com/geopoliti...-dogmatics-admits-bankrupt-belgium-new-greece
"In America people are not in this ****," exclaims mayor of Antwerp, Bart De Wever during an interview on Belgian TV.


The outspoken mayor held nothing back during the Flemish current affairs program De Zevende Dag.



"We will see a much angrier world.
Love; Klaus and the World Economic Forum."

Funny thing is that the same mayor banned all gasoline cars older than a few years. But you can still enter if you pay a daily fee of €35. So not allowed except when they can make a profit out of it...

 

[cyrano]

The strangest thing with the 35€ charge for older cars is that it expires at 6 am. People staying in a hotel usually are surprised by that and get a hefty 175 € fine the next day, leaving Antwerp, as they expect their ticket to expire 24 h after purchase.

Of course, that mayor belongs to a popular right-wing nationalist part, the NVA. He's also the one that started "the war on drugs". Antwerp hasn't seen the amount of coke going up to tonnes since that war started. Amazingly, weed, heroin, speed and other drugs seem fairly stable.

Can someone explain that to me?

 

[cyrano]

OPEC just announced a small cut to support energy prices weakened by economic softening.

I hope you can see the irony...

Well, maybe Scandinavia and Africa will save us.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I hope you can see the irony...

I'm not sure that we see the same irony. It is perhaps ironic that President Biden begged the Saudis (and OPEC indirectly) to increase supply to lower prices ahead of the Nov vote, but instead they reduce production (slightly). Do you see a different irony?

Well, maybe Scandinavia and Africa will save us.

I am not sure I understand the reference but it wouldn't be my first time.

JR