Deaths from climate change

[5v333]

Because it takes a lot more money to sink a stand into the sea to fit your windmill on and a lot more money to ensure it and its cables will withstand the hostile environment. Proibably costs a lot more to go out and fix it if it goes wrong too. All these factors are reflected in the price of the juice.

Cheers

Ian

Aha ok.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Can you please add links for two graphs to help me find more information?

https://goingwalkabout.blog/2018/05/15/the-grand-ice-age/

 

[cyrano]

The way you refer to human beings and discard them, and the way you refer to the Earth as if it is the most sacred thing, shows that something is seriously flawed with your way of thinking. But that is not unique to you, it is a common trait in those who define themselves as "tolerant" and "humanitarians".

It was sarcasm, my dear...

 

[cyrano]

If we allow big business/big tech to control public dialog we have lost grip on our future.

They've been doing that for over a century. Wake up. They don't need your permission.

 

[JohnRoberts]

They've been doing that for over a century. Wake up. They don't need your permission.

I don't think they were censoring twitter and facebook a century ago.

My complaint is not just big tech's involvement but our own government. PRC has very effective programs to control social discourse in China but we discovered surprises in the Twitter files dump about bad behavior by our government right here.

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Back on topic I am sensitive to flawed opinions about climate science presented as fact in my daily newspaper, and I consider WSJ less bad than others. Every years at the beginning of hurricane season we hear scary projections about how this years hurricane season will be the worst ever. This year is no different and I have seen projections all over the place. I don't think I will board up my windows just yet.

JR

 

[JohnRoberts]

Apparently there is some discord inside OPEC+ (the + is Russia). Because of Russia's cash needs due to Ukraine war effort, and western sanctions. Russia is shipping lots of oil at below market prices. This is disrupting the cartel's efforts to keep oil prices elevated.

JR

 

[user 37518]

It was sarcasm, my dear...

Well, since you have previously referred to the "population problem" and similar stuff, I can no longer tell.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Well, since you have previously referred to the "population problem" and similar stuff, I can no longer tell.

It was sarcasm, my dear...

Just like calling him "my dear".

Emoticons help convey humorous intentions.

JR

 

[Recording Engineer]

I followed the sarcasm. Is it that everyone is so extreme now that all ridiculousness is taken seriously?

 

[JohnRoberts]

I followed the sarcasm. Is it that everyone is so extreme now that all ridiculousness is taken seriously?

There is a lot of passive-aggressive blather between the lines (not against the rules). I personally registered it as a subtle dig (I'm old) but only responded to the matters of fact, at the time.

Others picked up on it and ran with it... Just real life on the internets.

JR

[edit- does this mean we should ASSume that Jane Fonda is just kidding? /edit]

 

[user 37518]

I followed the sarcasm.

Good for you.

Is it that everyone is so extreme now that all ridiculousness is taken seriously?

Yes, e.g., when people say stuff like a woman is whomever identifies as a woman.

 

[Recording Engineer]

We should assume, based on what we know of the person. It’s much easier to smell the sarcasm… It’s not a one-size-fits all kind of thing.

 

[Recording Engineer]

I personally registered it as a subtle dig (I'm old)

I would have registered it as a not-so-subtle friendly ribbing myself and would be glad they’re comfortable-enough with me to do so; but to each their own.

 

[user 37518]

We should assume, based on what we know of the person.

That is exactly what I did.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Can you please add links for two graphs to help me find more information?

The second graph appears in various forms all over the place. I haven't been able to trace it's source. The further back in time, the less accurate detailed the data become. They are estimates made by various indirect means or combinations thereof.

What strikes me most about all of this is careful cherry-picking (especially in the time domain) and raw hubris, as if "the science" is settled. We certainly know more than we did 100 years ago, but there's a lot more that we don't understand about various long-time cycles and the impact of geological factors on the oceans and atmosphere among other things.

 

[My3gger]

Sure, if you look at where science was 300 years ago, we probably don't know much even today.
Climatologists claim that significant increase in concentration of the co2 since 50's is the result of of the fossil fuels use, causing weather changes such as atmospheric warming.
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/node/1018https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2021ERL....16k4005L/abstract

 

[JohnRoberts]

Sure, if you look at where science was 300 years ago, we probably don't know much even today.
Climatologists claim that significant increase in concentration of the co2 since 50's is the result of of the fossil fuels use, causing weather changes such as atmospheric warming.
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/earth103/node/1018https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2021ERL....16k4005L/abstract

Science is not a popularity contest or measure of who has the most effective messaging, the climate warriors are winning at that.

The question is not whether the globe is warming, but what is the prudent response. "Zero carbon" policy will do more harm than good. Lomborg just published another book citing more substantive things to do with our limited resources.

JR

 

[Matador]

Science is not a popularity contest or measure of who has the most effective messaging, the climate warriors are winning at that.

Luckily the 'consensus' in his link has nothing to do with popularity contests nor messaging.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I just received my copy of Lomborg's new book "Best things first" where he shares his judgement of what to focus on first.

I recall a bunch of Chicago economists used to do something similar, but nobody would listen to them.

JR

 

[AnalogPackrat]

More madness. This time in Ireland.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www...ted-cow-massacre-warning-to-net-zero-britain/

 

[user 41968]

More madness. This time in Ireland.

https://12ft.io/proxy?q=https://www...ted-cow-massacre-warning-to-net-zero-britain/

First they came for the cows and I wasn't a cow...

We should never forget the carbon they want to eliminate is all of us.

 

[JohnRoberts]

It seems like I haven't mentioned the persuasion technique of fast thinking/slow thinking lately...

I am surely repeating myself.

The objective fact that climate is changing is the "fast thinking" hook for the "fast thinking/slow thinking" logic trap. If the hook (that the globe is warming) is accepted as truth, then many don't bother to question the if-then premise that says we must reduce/eliminate all use of cost effective fossil fuels.

Most people would not embrace the draconian policies that get slipped in without a shred of critical thinking. The scaled down bbb bill renamed "inflation reduction" to reflect the actual voter concerns, contains hundreds of $B in climate spending that voters weren't asking for.

For example CA is considering outlawing sales of gas powered cars by 2035... I'll give them an O for optimistic.

JR

JR

 

[user 41968]

Deaths from climate change activists would be a better thread title.

Greg Reese explores why all of South Quebec has simultaneously erupted in flames.

The environmental movement is a religious cult being used by the globalists to take your money and property. "You will own nothing and be happy" and, to make sure of that, we'll burn you out.