Drive an audio transformer from an AOP. Good or bad idea?

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Operational Amplifier of course referring to the initial premise of a block of circuitry (amplifier) that had inverting and non inverting inputs and a single 'output' that given certain characteristics could be used to do linear computation functions such as integration, differentiation, summing and others which were useful to the arms industry (gun aiming) where the overall function relied on external components and for convenience simple plug in active parts (the amplifier itself) so that exchange in the field was a simple afair.
Fun to implement with valves because they are unipolar devices but when transistors became a thing of both NPN and PNP flavours many new possibilities were dreamed up. Many things were understood and theorised WAY back but it was often near impossible using the technology of the day.
 
Yes, I thought about legacy being a possible explanation. Apparently in ignition applications, the rationale was to simplify wiring, since both windings ended up grounded at a side.
This cut-out, taken from Wiki, shows that the construction is not an autoformer at all. Pri and sec are clearly distinct.
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The only thing that makes it an autoformer is the connection. Saves one terminal.
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Sorry for the OT.

Yes. Terminology can be a bit "loose" here. But nowhere near as loose as "Tremelo Arm" in elec guitar world 🤣
 
It is not recommended to use an operational amplifier (AOP) to directly drive an audio transformer because AOPs are designed for voltage amplification and have limited current drive capability, while transformers often require higher current.
 
It is not recommended to use an operational amplifier (AOP) to directly drive an audio transformer because AOPs are designed for voltage amplification and have limited current drive capability, while transformers often require higher current.
Typical old wives tale.
Many opamps have enough current drive to drive a transformer, as long as the transformer is designed for the specific task.
I have 10's of thousand products in the field that use a 5532 ot 5534 with a transformer.
Most of the current required to drive a transformer comes from the reflected impedance at the primary, except at low frequencies.
A 1:1 xfmr reflects a 600 ohms load as about 600 for most of the frequency range.
Problems may happen if the nominal inductance is too low, which increases the current demand at low frequencies.
A good 600:600 ohms transformer should run with a magnetizing current about 1/10th of nominal current.
Many designers use cheaper transformer, with low nominal inductance, resulting in large magnetizing current at low frequencies. That is why they have to resort to output stages capable of much more current drive than necessary.
 
Direct consequence of the fact that Leo was not a musician.
Did not prevent him to create 3 miraculous instruments, Tele, Strat and PBass.

that was my understanding also, but apparently he did have some experience playing (according to Fender, so the info looks legit) :

https://www.fender.com/articles/beh...n music,radio and electronics took precedence.

(kind of mind-blowing to me that (besides the PBass) he also designed the Jazz and Stingray--all hugely popular standards in the world of electric bass--plus loads of other stuff)
 
Typical old wives tale.
Many opamps have enough current drive to drive a transformer, as long as the transformer is designed for the specific task.
I have 10's of thousand products in the field that use a 5532 ot 5534 with a transformer.
Most of the current required to drive a transformer comes from the reflected impedance at the primary, except at low frequencies.
A 1:1 xfmr reflects a 600 ohms load as about 600 for most of the frequency range.
Problems may happen if the nominal inductance is too low, which increases the current demand at low frequencies.
A good 600:600 ohms transformer should run with a magnetizing current about 1/10th of nominal current.
Many designers use cheaper transformer, with low nominal inductance, resulting in large magnetizing current at low frequencies. That is why they have to resort to output stages capable of much more current drive than necessary.
I believe back in the day it was Jensen that offered output transformers for specific audio purposes. Inputs designed for discreet, OP amp, and tube(not sure) drive circuits. They were very highly regarded for they're bandwidth and phase linearity. they were also very helpful with technical support, and often had basic examples of the circuits the transformers were designed for.
 
I believe back in the day it was Jensen that offered output transformers for specific audio purposes. Inputs designed for discreet, OP amp, and tube(not sure) drive circuits. They were very highly regarded for they're bandwidth and phase linearity. they were also very helpful with technical support, and often had basic examples of the circuits the transformers were designed for.
Thye still have many app notes and typical schematics.
In particular app note AS30 shows an output transformer driven by a 5534.
 
Most if not all audio output transformers give better sound if the driving amp has a generous amount of current drive and that amount almost always requires medium power transistors. Such transistors will not fit in a integrated circuit opamp. An integrated circuit opamp can have a medium power transistor output stage tacked on. Sonically the prob if not using medium power output transistors is heard in the low end, particularly on kick drum hits when output voltage from opamp is more than +4db and the problem becomes more audible the higher the voltage. The undesirable sonic quality is similar to the sound of driving the output transformer into saturation clipping..similar but not the same. Money-wise a discreet opamp kit from Classic Audio Products of Illinois is quite affordable. Finished and ready to use discreet opamps can be rather expensive, $50 to $90.
 

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Most if not all audio output transformers give better sound if the driving amp has a generous amount of current drive and that amount almost always requires medium power transistors. Such transistors will not fit in a integrated circuit opamp. An integrated circuit opamp can have a medium power transistor output stage tacked on. Sonically the prob if not using medium power output transistors is heard in the low end, particularly on kick drum hits when output voltage from opamp is more than +4db and the problem becomes more audible the higher the voltage. The undesirable sonic quality is similar to the sound of driving the output transformer into saturation clipping..similar but not the same. Money-wise a discreet opamp kit from Classic Audio Products of Illinois is quite affordable. Finished and ready to use discreet opamps can be rather expensive, $50 to $90.

Does it not actually depend what load impedance you might be attempting to drive, and to what levels? Surely you don't need 1A-capable drivers, for a 100mV RMS signal into 1-2kohm impedance...

Good luck powering a discrete opamp from phantom power, by the way - how many dozens of mA do those idle at?

Context, people, context - it matters! 😁
 
Most if not all audio output transformers give better sound if the driving amp has a generous amount of current drive
That means the magnetizing current is not as small as it should be. Generally due to too small magnetic core, or attempt to mitigate HF loss by reducing nominal inductance.
and that amount almost always requires medium power transistors. Such transistors will not fit in a integrated circuit opamp. An integrated circuit opamp can have a medium power transistor output stage tacked on. Sonically the prob if not using medium power output transistors is heard in the low end, particularly on kick drum hits when output voltage from opamp is more than +4db and the problem becomes more audible the higher the voltage. The undesirable sonic quality is similar to the sound of driving the output transformer into saturation clipping..similar but not the same. Money-wise a discreet opamp kit from Classic Audio Products of Illinois is quite affordable. Finished and ready to use discreet opamps can be rather expensive, $50 to $90.
As I mentioned earlier I have dozens of thousand of transformer output stages in the field, driven by a single monolithic opamp.
Don't let band aids made necessary by poor design become gospel.
 
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