EMT 240 - Noisy after being switched on for while

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mrclunk

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Our 240 has developed a fault where its becoming very noisy after being on for a while . [hissy white noise]

Same noise levels on both channels so i'm assuming its the power supply.

Any ideas where to start looking, usual suspects?
Right in the middle of a mix  so bit annoying!

Edit:
Not much too the amp module supply, will go for the brute force replacement approach!
 

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The fact that you assume it is the power supply would indicate you are not very knowledgable about electronics.
However a unit this old will probably have some dry caps. Buy a capacitor tester, pull some caps and check their value.
If more than three are well below their case value, then start changing them.
Noise after a period of warmup would normally indicate a thermal condition.
 
Handbags  :p

Electrolytic's test ok and were replaced a few years ago.
Its certainly seems like  a thermal condition, the reason i suspect the power supply is because of the  identical noise on both channels.
I've cooled individual components and monitored for change and there hasn't been any..
Possibly the faults been there for a while and affected both channels over time.
I'll dig into the audio amps next week.
thanks
paul
 
Bad transistors in the audio path are common on these, fire it up on the bench, get it to make the noise and work your way back from the output.
If there is noise on the P/S you can see it on the 'scope...
Have fun, these are a bit of a Chinese puzzle !
 
radardoug said:
The fact that you assume it is the power supply would indicate you are not very knowledgable about electronics.

Noise after a period of warmup would normally indicate a thermal condition.

nielsk said:
Bad transistors in the audio path are common on these, fire it up on the bench, get it to make the noise and work your way back from the output.

Normally bad filter caps will provide some nice low end hum, not hissy white noise.

hissy white "noise normally" can be caused by bad transistors or colder solder joints/bad contacts/bad pcb tracings.
If it only does that after being on for a while it's probably a thermal condition, and can be  caused by bad transistors or colder solder joints/bad contacts/bad pcb tracings that will change their condition while warm/hot.

Do you have a signal probe?
if not you should build one, it's easy enough:
http://diy-fever.com/misc/audio-probe/
http://www.geofex.com/FX_images/audioprb.gif
http://www.diystompboxes.com/pedals/debug.html

nielsk said:
fire it up on the bench, get it to make the noise and work your way back from the output.

Do what Nielsk said with the probe.
I always probe circuits  from the input, following the schematic and stop when the noise appears, then I know it's in that component or that part of the circuit.
Most of the places and people advise working from the Output to the input, Whatever what works for you.
Maybe when some piece of equipment has no output sound is better to work from the output to the input, but in this case you want to listen to the clean sound all the way until it changes for Hissy, so from input is better.

Feed the 240 some slow as percussive music so you can always hear the reverb.

I hate feeding 1K signal for probbing, It will be boring and give you headaches, music is much nicier for a probing job
 
Completely missed all your replies!
Thankyou so much!
I'll be opening her up again next week .
 
Whoops said:
I hate feeding 1K signal for probbing, It will be boring and give you headaches, music is much nicier for a probing job

I know what you mean but if you are using a scope and are not listening at the time, can probe with the scope and see where the nice sine wave goes ugly.
 
pucho812 said:
Whoops said:
I hate feeding 1K signal for probbing, It will be boring and give you headaches, music is much nicier for a probing job

I know what you mean but if you are using a scope and are not listening at the time, can probe with the scope and see where the nice sine wave goes ugly.

Yes thats totally true.
 

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