Free speech at gearslutz

[12afael]

I know one guy who started a company and started posting at gearslut, his post were disappearing from time to time until he started supporting the forum ($) now his post are "protected".

I don´t know if it is good or bad, it smells to mafia a bit to me but that is how it works.

nowadays freedom and free speech is what we think we have.

as a side note, I love this forum

 

[JohnRoberts]

I know one guy who started a company and started posting at gearslut, his post were disappearing from time to time until he started supporting the forum ($) now his post are "protected".

I don´t know if it is good or bad, it smells to mafia a bit to me but that is how it works.

nowadays freedom and free speech is what we think we have.

as a side note, I love this forum

That is right out of the old audiophool rag playbook. Quid pro quo magazine advertising spends to assure good reviews etc.

The nice thing about this forum is much lower key commercial activity. 

Dominated by amateurs in the true sense of the word, from the latin amo, amas, amat.


JR

 

[ruffrecords]

Dominated by amateurs in the true sense of the word, from the latin amo, amas, amat.

By Jove that takes me back; mensae, mensarum. mensis, mensas.

Cheers

Ian

 

[benb]

Basically, there's never any (guaranteed) free speech on online forums, and apparently on GS you have to pay for certain types of speech ...

I recall when this forum was part of "RO" which had other forums featuring various recording equipment and the people whose names were on it.  I vaguely recall some controversy/ies that ended up with this forum becoming a separate entity. We've even got a thread about that somewhere.

 

[ruffrecords]

Basically, there's never any (guaranteed) free speech on online forums, and apparently on GS you have to pay for certain types of speech ...

I recall when this forum was part of "RO" which had other forums featuring various recording equipment and the people whose names were on it.  I vaguely recall some controversy/ies that ended up with this forum becoming a separate entity. We've even got a thread about that somewhere.

I did not know either of those things but it does explain a lot.

Cheers

Ian

 

[living sounds]

We live in a wild wild west time as far as media is concerned. Regulation is badly needed. Advertising needs to be clearly marked as such. Free speech needs to be protected regardless of commercial individual interests.

Also, consolidation has gripped online forums and online news outlets in the music gear sector. Here in Germany, the largest gear review websites like bonedo.de or amazona.de as well as the biggest online forums like recording.de , musiker-board.de or sequencer.de are all owned (through subsidiaries) by Europes largest gear retailer Thomann. Not a healthy development IMHO.

The internet is very much broken these days....

And yes, we are so lucky we've got groupdiy. 

 

[gyraf]

History was always written by the winning part..

 

[zamproject]

dear Ian

what a shame... I read the topic few days ago and remember your post... the moderation is unbelievable, your post entry completely disappear, usually you'll still see the post and autor but "edited by" in an empty post...

For the record Eva Manley is not just a $ contributor to GS with  advertisement, but also moderator a geekstutz DIY section...

It really sucks, with this kind of situation I'll never buy Manley product whatever technical quality they have, no money for the a..hole

I think I'll get my first ban over GS...

https://www.gearslutz.com/board/high-end/1237101-30-years-manley.html?posted=1#post13628013

Best
Zam

 

[zamproject]

copy/past of my words at GS right now

_______________
Hi all

The moderation of this topic is a shame...
Until this also disappear an no one know what Ian politely and respectfully ask/say

Best regards
Zam
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[zamproject]

Idea for Ian to understand

I'm sure this kind of person know our place here , as what do invaluable contributor like you... and you are also a contributor in the forum section she moderate at GS...
Your tube design is great and somehow in competition with tube gear manufacturer...
so you are a business enemy to kill...

Best
Zam

 

[mjrippe]

That must have been some felt piece.... what was it in relation to?

If I recall correctly, it was a Trident compressor.  Have not been back since.

 

[peterc]

David Manley had a studio here in Johannesburg and did a lot of recording of adverts, and it was there that he started to experiment with outboard mic preamps, bypassing the desk preamps.

A friend of mine did a lot of his tech work while David was experimenting. He  tells a story where David was in financial difficulties and he was not getting paid and he called David and asked about his invoice, and was told "I have list of 999 and things to do and you are number 1000". Anyway he did finally get paid and did a lot of work wiring his studios in France in later years.

David was a bit of a character.  He made friends with the chief of police in Mauritius and when he went bankrupt here, he stole a yacht in Durban and sailed it to Mauritius, where he sold it and split the money with the chief to avoid charges.

I have a pair of Leak TL12s that he modified and I rebuilt with engraved plaques stating his name and company.

Sorry for the OT.

 

[abbey road d enfer]

GS is notoriously populated with incompetent technicians.
GS is notoriously populated with revisionist historians.
Who cares about Manley products?
Every time I checked GS I was overwhelmed by the amount of BS flying there.

 

[ruffrecords]

GS is notoriously populated with incompetent technicians.
GS is notoriously populated with revisionist historians.
Who cares about Manley products?
Every time I checked GS I was overwhelmed by the amount of BS flying there.

what you say is true. What I find really annoying is that there are quite a lot of people there who genuinely want help and I do like to help them. But it is quite soul destroying to have some technical incompetent criticising your advice in a very non-constructive manner.

Cheers

Ian

 

[abbey road d enfer]

what you say is true. What I find really annoying is that there are quite a lot of people there who genuinely want help

That's true and unfortunate. But it seems to be the destiny of most of the websites that rely on ads for survival. That was the doom of the REP forum.

it is quite soul destroying to have some technical incompetent criticising your advice in a very non-constructive manner.

Typical of democracy; the voice of an idiot is put on par with a wise man's.
I ceased going to GS a long time ago; it would give me heartburns.

 

[SIXTYNINER]

That's true and unfortunate. But it seems to be the destiny of most of the websites that rely on ads for survival. That was the doom of the REP forum.
Typical of democracy; the voice of an idiot is put on par with a wise man's.
I ceased going to GS a long time ago; it would give me heartburns.

…..It is a "wonderful world"…

big website require space and power on servers
advertising is an "energy" good source  for

but who come before ? money or freedom ?

seem that the world prefer money ,
the beginning of the end….  :'(

(can we all start to make something for exchange this self-destructive mentality drifting ? )

the "GS" administrators quality seem to be not the best , or not even the minimum standard,
from what Ian report here ,

if nothing offensive was wrote on that thread ,

it is perhaps not true that criticism can also be drawn to improve ?

even if once again there is confirmation that unfortunately not everyone has the ability to understand it ,
(or am wrong ? )

cheers
Ps :
it is perhaps the mafia the worst kind of "cancer" ?

 

[JohnRoberts]

what you say is true. What I find really annoying is that there are quite a lot of people there who genuinely want help and I do like to help them. But it is quite soul destroying to have some technical incompetent criticising your advice in a very non-constructive manner.

Cheers

Ian

Yes but it still feels good when you help somebody...

It's not that hard to ignore the wingnuts (an internet wide problem), and many lurkers are smart enough to tell the difference between BS and good advice.

JR

 

[zamproject]

Hello

the "GS" administrators quality seem to be not the best , or not even the minimum standard,
from what Ian report here ,

In this particular case you don't even see that the topic has been moderated and post deleted 
it's completely gone... and Ian say he have no longer access to the topic...
revisionism as some previously say above...

and again Eva Manley is a moderator at GS, potentially moderating this tread about Manley product and history in a public forum...

Yes but it still feels good when you help somebody...

few time in the recent weeks I "help" ppl at GS ...most don't even care to reply, I don't ask for a "thanks" but at least a report if the help actually help and/or solve the issue...which might help more pple reading/searching for the same info
That don't make me feel good, and I don't want to "help" any more...

Best
Zam

 

[cyrano]

GS is notoriously populated with incompetent technicians.

Is it? Never noticed that. I do notice some people believing they understood technical matters and trying to explain it to non-techies, only confusing them more.

GS is notoriously populated with revisionist historians.

Audio history?

The ones that bothered me most, personally, are the defenders of rabid copy rights protection, patents and ip in general. Usually also the Behringer bashers.

Who cares about Manley products?
Every time I checked GS I was overwhelmed by the amount of BS flying there.

GS is a lot about ego's, imho. And large ego's are needed to sell audiophoolery to. It's a perfect eco system for overpriced gadgets and Jules is cashing in on that. Can you blame him?

I've tried to be a missionary for a long time. Until I understood some people want to get scammed. There's not much you can do about that.

 

[abbey road d enfer]

incompetent technicians
I do notice some people believing they understood technical matters and trying to explain it to non-techies, only confusing them more.

That's about my definition of an incompetent proselytic technician.

Audio history?

As in history being (ab)used to glorify past mistakes and not acknowledging they were the result of poor decision-making and industrial pressure.
The problem with many audio historians is they try to demonstrate they actually undestand the arcanes of the art, and fail miserably.
Think of vintage car specialists, does the fact they know all the variations of a model/brand actually make them good mechanics?

The ones that bothered me most, personally, are the defenders of rabid copy rights protection, patents and ip in general.

Of course, I wouldn't defend anything that's rabid, but as a designer, I would feel cheated if anyone picked up one of my designs and claim it's their work.

Usually also the Behringer bashers.

Believe me, Mr. B. deserves to be bashed. Actually, it's Dr. Ulrich and Mr. Behringer, one that set up one of the most interesting manufacturing environment, and one that blatantly ripped off protected designs. I believe Terry and Philip Clarke are bothered seeing their name on UREI and Pultec rip-offs.
That being said, I use the P16 foldback system in my studio, which, AFAIK is not a rip-off.

It's a perfect eco system for overpriced gadgets and Jules is cashing in on that. Can you blame him?

I don't blame Manley Labs; they are doing business. I just don't care about their products.