Government Death Panels

[cyrano]

SCOTUS kicked this back to the states to resolve based on local sentiment, but this is being exploited by the left for the national elections.

Is this the spin of the week, or the spin of the day?

If the right abolishes the right to abortion, it's the left's fault? With that kind of distortion of the facts, we'll never get anywhere.

I propose we change the name "brewery" to "John's private spin corner"...

 

[rock soderstrom]

Examples?

oh?

You pay nothing.

Irrelevant. Give me examples where any of my posts are causing issues in the tech areas of gdiy. Otherwise you can mind your own business.

You don't seem to get it, I don't want to argue with you and get involved in your game. Your posts and the discussions you take part in show what that leads to.

Anyone can make up their own mind, just click on the link and read a few posts. You will have to search for a long time until you find something relevant to our DIY topics. But if it bangs, burns and stinks, then our man will be there. Guaranteed.

https://groupdiy.com/members/fallout.13/#recent-content
In essence, as I've already said, he's a follower who isn't really the problem but just the consequence.

If we want to change that, we have to change it structurally and pacify our community and protect it from further trouble.

 

[fallout]

You don't seem to get it, I don't want to argue with you and get involved in your game.

Then don't.

Anyone can make up their own mind, just click on the link and read a few posts. You will have to search for a long time until you find something relevant to our DIY topics. But if it bangs, burns and stinks, then our man will be there. Guaranteed.

https://groupdiy.com/members/fallout.13/#recent-content

I couldn't care less. If it "bangs, burns and stinks", then don't read it? Show some self restraint, it's not difficult.

If we want to change that, we have to change it structurally and pacify our community and protect it from further trouble.

When the rules are changed then perhaps you'll get your GDIY utopia. Until then....

 

[rock soderstrom]

When the rules are changed then perhaps you'll get your GDIY utopia. Until then....

Dude, your SNR is just too bad for GDIY. I think everyone can see that.

 

[fallout]

Dude, your SNR is just too bad for GDIY. I think everyone can see that.

Too bad? I'm not responsible for your feelings.

 

[hodad]

Honestly, what the fuck? If you want to discuss American domestic politics, why don't you do it somewhere else on the vastness of the internet?

Here's an idea: Put me, AP, fallout, and maybe a few others on "Ignore" and you won't see our shit. You have the tools in your very own hands to hide away those things that make you so very unhappy. Why not do it and quit whining?

 

[rock soderstrom]

Here's an idea: Put me, AP, fallout, and maybe a few others on "Ignore" and you won't see our shit. You have the tools in your very own hands to hide away those things that make you so very unhappy. Why not do it and quit whining?

Because you haven't understood what it's all about either! It doesn't matter what I read, I have a thick skin, but others don't.

We've had several cases where really valuable members have simply lost interest in the community due to the behaviour of a few. They are here to make a fuss, not because of the actual central theme we have here.

https://groupdiy.com/search/227493/
Just take a look at your contributions, where is the benefit for the community? All I see is stress, anger and hate! You're not here to exchange opinions, you're here for the action.

The consequences are well known, I'm tired of it. Why don't you do it somewhere else and leave us alone?

 

[hodad]

, I have a thick skin,

You seem pretty sensitive right now.

where is the benefit for the community?

As best I can figure, this forum is currently a commercial enterprise. Is this subforum, and my posts (or AP's, or Matador's, or JR's) within it a benefit to the owners? I don't know; but they haven't felt compelled to shut down the Brewery yet, so I'd say the answer is a solid "maybe." If you don't like the Brewery, why not take it up with Angie?

Just take a look at your contributions, where is the benefit for the community?

I suspect that there are more readers at GDIY than regular commenters. I guess that's okay as long as they don't open their mouths in the Brewery, eh?

Not that it matters, but I was here before there was a GDIY, before there was a Brewery. I do in fact build & repair stuff a lot, but I rarely have a better answer to a question than someone else here does.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Is this the spin of the week, or the spin of the day?

If the right abolishes the right to abortion, it's the left's fault? With that kind of distortion of the facts, we'll never get anywhere.

I propose we change the name "brewery" to "John's private spin corner"...

JR's summary was accurate. A prior, unconstitutional, ruling by SCOTUS was overturned. This happens from time to time. In our country the federal government has limited powers and what is not in their power belongs to the states or the people. So once the prior federal ruling was overturned it became a state level issue.

Having said that, I do not find the TX ruling (or law) to be satisfactory. A time limit (somewhere in the 12-16 week range and no later) and limited exceptions for rape, incest, danger to the mother would be preferable. That's what I will support in my state (which isn't TX).

 

[pucho812]

Tx is my home state, there is reason they feel they are above every other state. It starts with being their own country before becoming a state. It’s ingrained in everyone who lives there, no different than the southern folks who feel the south shall rise again. Like it or not they wear it with pride.
As for other comments, well what’s to say. Each state is doing what they feel is best for their own state. Clearly they differ then you on the issue. Luckily for you, you don’t live there. If everyone worked about their own corner of the world, the world would be a better place.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Honestly, what the fuck? If you want to discuss American domestic politics, why don't you do it somewhere else on the vastness of the internet?

Groupdiy is an international community dedicated to DIY audiogear and everything related to it.

And has always had an off-topic area.

Most people here have absolutely no interest in the social problems of US society. We don't want the poison in your society as part of our community, work it out amongst yourselves and don't hold groupdiy hostage to that shit!

Don't open, use ignore feature, etc.

Here comes the local US Sherif John Roberts again and declares that the thread does not violate any of the divine rules and is therefore totally awesome.

Inaccurate.

I'll tell you why that makes me so angry. Your fucking unnecessary discussions are poisoning the mood among the members here. There is no need for a moderator to add always petrol to a completely misplaced fire for his own personal entertainment.

As an adult, I don't see things that way at all.

This has to stop, we as a community are suffering a massive brain drain, I can name a few names to make the loss clear.

Again with the misplaced blame.

What do we get in return? Personal tensions and hatred, all fuelled by the moderator John Robert himself and endless Peavey anecdotes on top.

I enjoy the Peavey stories just like I enjoy hearing about other members' electronics/audio experiences.

We don't need this, it's a bad deal!

You think this is over the top, look at the posts posted by member Hodad as an example, the same goes for the few other John Roberts minions here at the brewery.

Just don't open those threads or use the ignore thing. Why is it so hard for you to handle views that are different than your own or posts that aren't interesting to you? You don't get to control others, but you can control yourself (including your clicky finger).

This has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with Groupdiy. Just political agitation and hate! Check it out, the forum software makes it easy for you. No posts of a technical nature, just US domestic political filth that is completely worthless to the DIY community and only drags down the mood here.

There's euro politics, too. Ukraine, for example. Some post about their home countries. If I'm not interested I just go about my business. Try it.

We, as a community, are footing the bill for this unnecessary nonsense and ignorance. I'm not going to go along with this any more, anyone who feels the same way can get in touch with me.

Seems you aren't a contributing member. And besides, it's a purely commercialized deal now. We are the product.

I won't give up Groupdiy to these guys without a fight. Let's close this shithole brewery and throw these guys out. We are the community.

Why are so many from Europe all-in on censorship and control? Given all of the history there I'd expect better. Oh, well.

 

[Matador]

The only person who is recognizably part of the company is John Roberts, as he performs disciplinary functions, which clearly positions him legally. Whether money flows or not for this job is irrelevant. Only the current owner can have given him this power.

Ok then, you have your plan of action: petition JR to change things!

 

[rock soderstrom]

Ok then, you have your plan of action: petition JR to change things!

At least you haven't lost your sense of humor as well

 

[rock soderstrom]

Hey, greetings to @groselicain. It's nice to see that I'm not alone.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Guys, apparently you really have problems with reading! I've clearly explained that the ignore function or avoiding the brewery doesn't change the fact that there is an incredible amount of negative energy spilling over from this section into the rest of the forum.

Assertions are not facts. Adults can disagree on some topics and remain cordial on the tech forae. That's what I see.

That's a fact and I'm not the only one who sees it that way.

Yes, we've heard others calling for censorship or shutting down the brewery. That doesn't make your reasoning logical or sound.

I have no intention of convincing you in any way, I know who I'm talking to.

Yet you keep posting.

Most (not all) of you are part of the problem, I'm not surprised who is speaking out against me here. That was to be expected.

I think censorship and control are much more problematic

On the subject of approaching the owner directly, you smart guys, it's not that easy. I have asked about this several times, and such posts were often deleted. Nobody seems to know that, not even the mods, if they are telling the truth.

Not sure why you would question the unpaid moderators. Seems obvious we've all been fed the same line and it isn't hard to discern what's happened.

The only person who is recognizably part of the company is John Roberts, as he performs disciplinary functions, which clearly positions him legally. Whether money flows or not for this job is irrelevant. Only the current owner can have given him this power.

Part of the company? Legal what?

Otherwise there are no clearly recognizable ownership structures. It should be clear to most people here why such things are concealed.

Yes, because we are the product.

As far as I know, Angie is working on behalf of the owner, within a paid external service company. But that could also be different...

Sigh.

 

[rock soderstrom]

I'm not going to join in the discussion and play your usual game. I don't see the point, it would be a waste of my lifetime. You are unimportant for this issue.

You just have to accept that

 

[AnalogPackrat]

I'm not going to join in the discussion and play your usual game. I don't see the point, it would be a waste of my lifetime.

Yes, no point in allowing others to disagree. Just petition to shut them down.

You just have to accept that

No, I don't. But I won't let it affect my interaction in the tech sections.

 

[john12ax7]

I would say rock has a point. The lack of civility and the shrouded in mystery corporate buyout makes this a less desirable place to visit. This is an audio forum but has members who spend most if not all their time here slinging political mud. Doesn't make a lot of sense.

Make a requirement where a member needs 10x audio posts for every 1x political one and things would improve instantly. Imagine if the cable news talking heads, or the politicians, or society at large adopted this? You have to spend 10 hours doing something productive for society for every 1 hour you sling mud. The world would improve overnight.

 

[groselicain]

Assertions are not facts. Adults can disagree on some topics and remain cordial on the tech forae. That's what I see.

I messaged Rock privately because wrestling with pigs is a no-win situation, but seeing you show up after your performance this past week forced me to post.

I can't believe I just watched someone who has given so much to this forum over the years walk away while asking a moderator to delete all his contributions, all while four or five others just use GroupDIY's Brewery as an alternative to social media. Do you have a Facebook? Do you not get the engagement you wish there, so you bring the need for bickering here? Is that it?

I completely recognize my own lack of positive contribution here—I've made mention of it every single time I've tried to wade into the filth and begged for an end to the fighting. I would never presume to have accrued any amount of cache in this forum. The difference is negative contributions—and if you truly believe in your heart that you've not contributed to the negativity that's permeated the entirety of the forum, then I don't know why you're still coming here.

I really don't know what the solution is. The troublemakers love to say we whine for not ignoring them, but you can't hit an ignore button on the effects. John shows up from time to time to remind the cats to remain civil, but what happens? I recognize that John performs a service here without compensation, but as far as moderating—there are inconsistencies to say the least.

If you want to invoke the c-word, we can play that game—but I don't know how seriously I can take someone who claims censorship when those around him are just asking him to stop being a dick to their friends.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

I messaged Rock privately because wrestling with pigs is a no-win situation, but seeing you show up

I've been in and out here since 2005. I didn't just show up.

after your performance this past week forced me to post.

I was not performing and have no reason to justify or explain anything more than I already have.

I can't believe I just watched someone who has given so much to this forum over the years walk away while asking a moderator to delete all his contributions, all while four or five others just use GroupDIY's Brewery as an alternative to social media. Do you have a Facebook? Do you not get the engagement you wish there, so you bring the need for bickering here? Is that it?

No, there's a lot that you apparently did not discern from all of that.

I completely recognize my own lack of positive contribution here—I've made mention of it every single time I've tried to wade into the filth and begged for an end to the fighting. I would never presume to have accrued any amount of cache in this forum. The difference is negative contributions—and if you truly believe in your heart that you've not contributed to the negativity that's permeated the entirety of the forum, then I don't know why you're still coming here.

Life isn't all unicorns and rainbows. Entirety of the forum? Hardly.

I really don't know what the solution is. The troublemakers love to say we whine for not ignoring them, but you can't hit an ignore button on the effects.

The same goes for actions of people you defend. They have had lasting effects as well. Deleting and editing posts doesn't erase what was said and read by others. Damaging actions aren't fixed by online apologies.

John shows up from time to time to remind the cats to remain civil, but what happens? I recognize that John performs a service here without compensation, but as far as moderating—there are inconsistencies to say the least.

Humans are not perfect.

If you want to invoke the c-word, we can play that game—but I don't know how seriously I can take someone who claims censorship when those around him are just asking him to stop being a dick to their friends.

Interesting take.