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raysolinski

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Anybody here build this pre? It is on their site under schematics. I just noticed that I have all the parts for this guy layin' around on the bench. Well, except the input transformer but i think I will order a Jensen to keep it in line with their design..plus i don't have a pre with any Jensen's, just Cinemags and Lundahls.

Cheers,
Ray
 
I'm intrigued by cascode topology. It's like an exotic food I want to sample, but can't quite justify a whole outing for.

This one (as054) has an interesting note about direct coupling to a 12BH7 output driver stage, shown in as021.

I just pasted the two together, and it looks like a drunken "Ring of Three" seeing all those tube symbols in double.
 
Haha years later, I built this preamp in 2024. Parts from a Akai reel to reel. Edcor Transformers. And Condor 48 volt linear supply for phantom. Has ez81 rectifier dc filaments. And a power supply from a 5f1 Champ.

Sounds amazing. I'm going to build more. My first one isn't the most attractive. The bass DI is Soooo good. I used 1:6 input transformer. 1:4 output. So I used two 12au7 as it had to much gain With v1 12ax7 and was motorboating.

I learned so much. To make it as quiet as possible I tied all grounds to the power transformer base, all except the tube power supply ground and the in/out shield. Also note the orientation of the in and out transformer. It is the lowest noise tube pre I have used.

Definitely build one!
 
Haha years later, I built this preamp in 2024. Parts from a Akai reel to reel. Edcor Transformers. And Condor 48 volt linear supply for phantom. Has ez81 rectifier dc filaments. And a power supply from a 5f1 Champ.

Sounds amazing. I'm going to build more. My first one isn't the most attractive. The bass DI is Soooo good. I used 1:6 input transformer. 1:4 output. So I used two 12au7 as it had to much gain With v1 12ax7 and was motorboating.

I learned so much. To make it as quiet as possible I tied all grounds to the power transformer base, all except the tube power supply ground and the in/out shield. Also note the orientation of the in and out transformer. It is the lowest noise tube pre I have used.

Definitely build one!
Thanks for info, did you change anything for the 12AU7? Here is the schematic:
Cascode Tube Mic Preamp From Jensen.jpg

PS: the second gain stage is not a "cathode follower" as noted in the screenshot above, it is a SRPP...

Edit: here the original schematic from the Jensen website

Screenshot 2024-10-31 at 07-52-48 G SCHEMAJT_APPAS_PDF.PDF - as054.pdf.png
 
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Haha years later, I built this preamp in 2024. Parts from a Akai reel to reel. Edcor Transformers. And Condor 48 volt linear supply for phantom. Has ez81 rectifier dc filaments. And a power supply from a 5f1 Champ.

Sounds amazing. I'm going to build more. My first one isn't the most attractive. The bass DI is Soooo good. I used 1:6 input transformer. 1:4 output. So I used two 12au7 as it had to much gain With v1 12ax7 and was motorboating.

I learned so much. To make it as quiet as possible I tied all grounds to the power transformer base, all except the tube power supply ground and the in/out shield. Also note the orientation of the in and out transformer. It is the lowest noise tube pre I have used.

Definitely build one!
Oh some pics... lol not the most elegant. I wasn't sure about layout and how to run wires for low noise.
 

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Thanks for info, did you change anything for the 12AU7? Here is the schematic:
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PS: the second gain stage is not a "cathode follower" as noted in the screenshot above, it is a SRPP...
No changes it was motorboating around 12 o'clock. I read in another forum motorboating could be from too much gain. I tried a 12au7 and all was good. So I left it.
 
Oh some pics... lol not the most elegant. I wasn't sure about layout and how to run wires for low noise.
I don't see a PE pole, is your box connected to the protective ground?

It was certainly not easy to get the amp quiet with the unshielded Edcor transformers, especially the input TX is a challenge with all the gain afterwards!
 
So I used two 12au7 as it had to much gain With v1 12ax7 and was motorboating.
Motorboating can be caused by the wiring; you may be able to avoid this in your next amp by optimizing it. Keep the inputs of the gain stages away from the outputs. A Mumetal shielded input transformer can also help and would simplify the setup considerably.
 
No changes it was motorboating around 12 o'clock. I read in another forum motorboating could be from too much gain. I tried a 12au7 and all was good. So I left it.
motorboating is typically caused by insufficient B+ filtering, or it can be due to low frequency oscillation. All wires emit magnetic fields, so keeping them short and tidy is always a good idea. High current wires like heater supplies should be kept away from sensitive grid wires. In this kind of a circuit, heater elevation would probably be a good idea. This means referencing the heaters at some arbitrary higher DC voltage like 30VDC instead of referencing them to ground (0 volts)
 
Motorboating could be a polorized cap in backwards that is rated higher voltage then what is passing through it.
Motorboating is nearly always due to insufficient decoupling between the B+ for output tube and input stage. One solution is a voltage regulator, dropping B+ by 10 or 20 V. Alternatively, substantially increasing capacitance on the rail will "brute force" it to be stiffer. Magnetic coupling between wires running parallel is always worse at high frequency. If filaments operate on DC, magnetic coupling is virtually zero (only changing magnetic fields couple to induce voltage into nearby wires), but twisting of filament pairs is always a good practice.
As it's designer, I'm pleased to hear praise about the circuit's sound. I'm very fond of cascade configurations, whether solid-state or vacuum-state!
 
The Jensen design has no separate decoupling of the HT supply to the first stage. This means that a poor layout could easily lead to current changes in the output stage finding their way back into the input stage. I would suggest you try a completely separate HT and 0V connection from the first stage right back to the PSU, do not go via any part of the second stage and do not collect $200.

If this does not work, insert a 10K resistor in the HT feed to the first stage and fit a 22uF 300V electrolytic from the junction of R56/R8 to 0V.

Cheers

Ian
 
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