Summing amplifier from 1941

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NewYorkDave

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http://www.pat2pdf.org/patents/pat2401779.pdf

Walt Jung writes that this circuit "...could well be the genesis of op amps... a general purpose, high gain amplifier, externally configured for a variety of tasks by the use of suitable feedback components... The Swartzel op amp was truly a seminal work... numerous other amplifier designs [were] derived from its basic topology"
 
Yeah, I know about Black. His idea for NFB actually dates to 1927. He worked it out on a piece of newspaper while riding the ferry to work in NYC.

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The patent I linked is significant in the development of the op-amp because it's an early example of a high gain amplifier of fairly "universal" application, configured to suit with external feedback components and powered with bipolar supplies. Black is the spiritual father of the op-amp but this is one of the earliest practical examples.
 
I believe Julie is still with us, or at least I couldn't find any evidence to the contrary. One of his more recent projects is "designing high-resolution (20-Mpixel by 12-bit by 3-color) computerized photographic-image editing systems", according to a Bob Pease article.

JRL has been absorbed by Ohm-Labs.

http://www.julieresearch.com/

http://www.ohm-labs.com/

(I love Ohm-Labs' slogan, "Excellence in Resistance!").
 
[quote author="NewYorkDave"]Absolutely, that's the requirement that drove the early development of op-amps.


"Bell Labs and Automatic Control in WWII" article 1.2Meg PDF

EETimes Article

Proceedings of the IRE paper referenced in EETimes article 2.7Meg PDF[/quote]

Good links...

Indeed as I understand it the early application for computers was calculating artillery trajectory equations. Early work in radio circa WWII was obviously focused by governments for practical application (communication with friendlies, location of unfriendlies, etc).

I recall discussion of the discovery of and mastery of HF slew related design considerations in the development of electronics for RADAR sets (from published interview in hi-fi rag with old Brit designer either Baxandal or Williamson, I don't remember which). RADAR was a pretty high priority for Brits to detect rocket attacks.

This slew rate mechanism was rediscovered three decades later by the audiophile community as if it was unknown, but they are continually reinventing the wheel, and ignoring prior art.

My dad worked for WE back then ('30s-'40s) and I remember a mention in one of his notebooks of studying a captured German wire(?) recorder after the war.

JR
 
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RE: RADAR, I bought a copy of the acclaimed The Invention that Changed the World a few years ago and still haven't gotten around to reading it.

audiophile community... continually reinventing the wheel, and ignoring prior art.

Got that right :wink:
 
[quote author="NewYorkDave"]I believe Julie is still with us, or at least I couldn't find any evidence to the contrary. One of his more recent projects is "designing high-resolution (20-Mpixel by 12-bit by 3-color) computerized photographic-image editing systems", according to a Bob Pease article.

JRL has been absorbed by Ohm-Labs.

http://www.julieresearch.com/

http://www.ohm-labs.com/

(I love Ohm-Labs' slogan, "Excellence in Resistance!").[/quote]

I believe I saw an obit a few years ago for Loebe Julie. It's plausible, since he was 60 in 1981 according to an old NY Times piece.

I love that CK722 ad as your (at time of writing) avatar.
 
Loebe Julie may have died. His website http://www.loebejulie.com is unresponsive. The last reference I could find was May of 2003. He would be 87 years old if he is alive.

He developed the two dual triode (6SL7) operational amplifier while working at Columbia University in 1943. This amplifier was immediately incorporated in the M-IX gun director computer being built by MIT. Columbia was a subcontractor, responsible for building the computational section.
 
> actually patents the "electrical calculating device(s) and particularly to a device for obtaining the sum of a plurality of electrical voltages".

Or generalized: the Operational Amplifier.

> The actual patent for a negative feedback amplifier was...

Yes. But Black's problem was thousands of amplifiers in service, sometimes dozens in cascade. If each amp could hold 1dB tolerance (which is not easy), you still have +/-10dB or more differences between "identical" long lines. NFB stabilized the gain so amps and lines could be used interchangably without re-trimming.

But Swartzel was doing something else. You can always add voltages by putting them in series. But that is not easy when most source voltages want to have one side common. You can "sum" with simple resistors, but you have to re-compute the loss every time you change a factor or add or remove terms. The Summing Amp sums without much thought (and also stabilizes the gain of the amp used to recover the summing loss).



> studying a captured German wire(?) recorder after the war.

You could buy wire-recorders on Canal Street before WWII. I had an English friend who followed the Allied advance and set up both disk and wire recorders for a broadcast correspondent.

I suppose the Germans had them; don't know what's to study.

And literal "tape" recorders are older than vacuum tubes. Vladimir Poulsen?

Wire is not bad stuff. Main un fixable issue is: when it twists it sounds muffled. Bass penetrates the whole wire, treble only the surface. The wire has a curl, and if you don't get a twist it tends to stay same side to the head, but with some wandering.

Problem with all the pre-WWII mag recorders is the double-S shape of iron magnetism. Record around zero and the distortion is awful. You add a DC field and record halfway up one side of the "S", it is tolerable. DC-bias mag recording persisted into the 1970s on $13 cassette recorders.

Perhaps you know this, but THE big post-WWII excitement in mag-recording was barn-oxide and supersonic bias. These two tricks offered wide dynamic range and wide frequency response at low distortion. Better than phonodisc or optical film. Good enough to puzzle Allied radio listeners: they knew the speech was recorded but it did not have the shellac or silver-grain flaws of all known recording techniques. The Germans moved tape decks into France to broadcast official programs without actually putting talent or leaders in occupied territory; when the Germans left, they did not always take the decks back home. So Col. Ranger and others in the advancing Allied forces kidnapped Magnetophones and smuggled them back to the US.

The Germans had paper tape. Aside from bulk and fragility, it was not smooth (though calendared and used full-track, it was not bad).

They did have very good oxide: common barn paint is an acceptable iron oxide ground up very-very fine and available in ton lots cheap. (They may have been fooling with oxide because pure irons were diverted to military uses, but oxide is plenty good enough for the system.)

The final bit came when Ranger, who only had a few precious reels, found someone at 3M who could put barn oxide on acetate film and slit it precisely.

The product stayed like that for a decade. I recently pulled a red acetate master from the closet and played it. Aside from the damaged outside turns, it was a lush recording. We have not made much progress in 50 years.
 
PRR: > We have not made much progress in 50 years.
Except for taking more level without saturation improving the S/N, your right!
What ever happened to Chromium Dioxide and why did it never see pro use?
 
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> studying a captured German wire(?) recorder after the war.

You could buy wire-recorders on Canal Street before WWII. I had an English friend who followed the Allied advance and set up both disk and wire recorders for a broadcast correspondent.

I suppose the Germans had them; don't know what's to study.

And literal "tape" recorders are older than vacuum tubes. Vladimir Poulsen?
[/quote]

I spent over an hour going through a stack of note books and papers and didn't find the notation I was thinking of... I didn't even find any notebooks dated from the '40s (only '20s and '30s) so I must obviously be confusing two different events.

I did find a schematic (blueprint) for a steel tape recorder dated '33 but most of his notes from '20s and '30s were about wax and optical (film) recording. Much later he worked as a recording engineer for RCA, up until his death in the late ‘50s.

The recording business wasn't very big back in those days, it's very possible my dad knew your Brit friend. Dad lived in NYC and spent some time over at Pinewood studios in the '30s working on recording the coronation of King George in '36. (Perhaps you could PM me your friend's name in case I recognize it from my dads papers). There were several Brits involved in the early film/recording business over here, and there was much activity over there too.

JR
 
Here is some information on the German invention of the magnetic tape recorder. The invention was not a secret as is often claimed.

Patent issued to Dr. Fritz Pleumer in Germany for application of magnetic powders to strip of paper or film in 1928

Plastic based iron coated magnetic tape 1930 I.G. Farben (BASF)

Pleumer and AEG engineers begin construction of the first magnetic tape recorder using the plastic film in 1931

BASF of I.G. Farben and AEG/Telefunken form partnership to produce plastic recording tape in 1932

Magnetophone started production at AEG in 1934

BASF/AEG Magnetophone demonstrated in 1935 at German Annual Radio Exposition in Berlin

Sir Thomas Beecham & London Philharmonic record Mozart Symphony no. 39 in Eb, Minuet & Trio movement at BASF factory on Nov.19, 1936

An AEG Magnetophone K-2 was sent to General Electric in Schenectady NY in 1937 for their inspection.

1939 Discovery of high frequency bias by Weber and Von Braunmuhl at AEG

Specs for Magnetophone Tonschreiber d (Dora)
Production started: 1940
Freq. response: 50-6000Hz
Bandspeed: 77cm/s
Roll capacity: 10 mins.
Power: Batteries & vibrator

Specs for Magnetophone Tonschreiber c (Cesar)
Production started: 1940
Freq. response: 200-2000Hz
Bandspeed: 19cm/s
Roll capacity: 11 mins.
Power: Windup motor & 4.5v battery
Weight: 12 Kg
Band material: 6.5mm Azetylcellulose film (Cellulose acetate coated with lacquer suspension of iron oxide)

Specs for Magnetophone Tonschreiver S.b1
Production started: 1939
Freq. response: 60-5000Hz
Bandspeed: 9-120cm/s
Power: 110 - 250 VAC
Tubes: 7 RV12P2000, 2 LS50, 1 Glimmtube UR110
Weight: 61Kg
 
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