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Yes, Biden's various claims are narcissistic. He's been caught doing it for decades
Coming from a Trump supporter, this is all too rich. If you support Trump, then obviously you don't give two deuces about whether someone spouts self-aggrandizing bullsh!t. Trump is the absolute master of this. In fact, if you were to criticize Biden in this regard, it would be far more honest to say that he's not as good a liar, not as feckless a cheater, not as self-obsessed a narcissist as Trump is! If you want to say that Biden's not sleazy enough to match up to the gold standard set by Trump, that I can accept. But pretending that his relatively minor infractions are somehow disqualifying when you yourself support the unchallenged sleazemaster..... well, I guess that's pretty much on brand, because that's exactly the sort of thing a champion sleazeweasel like Trump would do.
 
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Please try for a little more veracity in your invective next time. Thank you.

and he was a truck driver? and his son died in Iraq? and his house burned down and almost killed his wife? he was arrested in a civil rights march? grandfather was a coal miner?

Oh sorry.. He lied about teaching a political theory class for 4 years and was only an 'honorary professor'.

You're right he's not a pathological liar. :rolleyes:

I know... I know... BUT TRUMP!!!!! :ROFLMAO:

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Proof that the GOP is absolutely synonymous with hypocrisy:

https://wapo.st/3w2gnFu

A top leader of the national conservative group Turning Point Action, which has amplified false claims of election fraud by former president Donald Trump and others, resigned Thursday after being accused of forging voter signatures on official paperwork so that he could run for reelection in the Arizona House.
 
Well, he was. Where it gets fuzzy is the duration he served and whether one thinks he merited the term "full professor." Maybe you should actually research this stuff before you start spewing. You're welcome to charge that he said he was a full professor when that's probably not an accurate term for his position. You can say that he misstated the duration of his time at Penn. But if you're worried about him claiming to be a professor there? It's in the freaking job title.

Please try for a little more veracity in your invective next time. Thank you.
Whataboutism is not a productive use of time. uPenn has been looked into regarding Biden's classified documents and Chinese donations (from entities that Hunter is/was associated with).

I don't care if President Biden declares himself the Dean of DC.... :rolleyes: So what?

All this left/right pejorative snark does not advance understanding or knowledge.

Try not to be distracted by the bright shiny bouncing ball. We have several long months to go.

JR
 
Whataboutism
That was not what the post you referenced was. That was a little fact-checking (yes, with a side of snark, but that seemed to be the direction things were going.)

My comment to the other guy was indeed whataboutism, but the more important point, I think, is why in the world would I take seriously someone who calls Biden a narcissist when he supports the prototypical narcissist Trump? Same with the hair-sniffing comments of yore--the same folks who excuse Trump's admitted snatch-grabbing were freaking out about Biden's alleged sniffing of a woman's hair.

And speaking of whataboutism, that's a sport that other guy engages in regularly with no comment (besides a thumbs up) from you. Whatabout that?
 
Coming from a Trump supporter, this is all too rich.
As I've stated several times, if a better candidate were running, they'd likely get my vote. As a born-again pragmatist I will not waste my vote on alternatives/protest voting. I will vote for the lesser of negatives who have a chance to win. For the last two cycles that choice was Trump.

If you support Trump, then obviously you don't give two deuces about whether someone spouts self-aggrandizing bullsh!t.
As usual you either missed my point or purposefully twisted it into your standard strawman. Like Trump, Biden is narcissistic. Obama was worse. Hillary also shared that elitist snobbery and high opinion of herself. So that stuff is not a differentiator. Results are.

Trump is the absolute master of this. In fact, if you were to criticize Biden in this regard, it would be far more honest to say that he's not as good a liar, not as feckless a cheater, not as self-obsessed a narcissist as Trump is! If you want to say that Biden's not sleazy enough to match up to the gold standard set by Trump, that I can accept. But pretending that his relatively minor infractions are somehow disqualifying when you yourself support the unchallenged sleazemaster..... well, I guess that's pretty much on brand, because that's exactly the sort of thing a champion sleazeweasel like Trump would do.
Blah blah blah. None of them are significantly different in these characteristics. But one has dementia, Alzheimer's, or similar. One kept us out of new conflicts. One fought against the unelected bureaucracy and helped reveal it's cancer for all to see. One's weakness has enabled conflict to bubble over in eastern Europe and the Middle East. I could go on.

Most of us were better off 2017-2019 than in any year of Biden's term (or Obama's two terms). I'll vote based on the results I've experienced. Yes, Trump made several bad blunders (listening to Fauci, et. al., bringing some dumb people into his administration the first year, being unable to control himself during the first presidential debate in 2020, etc.). His results were far better than Biden's despite that and the media headwinds and abject irrational hate he received from TDSers.
 
That was not what the post you referenced was. That was a little fact-checking (yes, with a side of snark, but that seemed to be the direction things were going.)
Lemming.

My comment to the other guy was indeed whataboutism, but the more important point, I think, is why in the world would I take seriously someone who calls Biden a narcissist when he supports the prototypical narcissist Trump? Same with the hair-sniffing comments of yore--the same folks who excuse Trump's admitted snatch-grabbing were freaking out about Biden's alleged sniffing of a woman's hair.
Well, little girls aren't the same thing as adult women. Maybe you see it differently.

And speaking of whataboutism, that's a sport that other guy engages in regularly with no comment (besides a thumbs up) from you. Whatabout that?
You and your team here have the groupthink back-slapping repeat-the-narrative knee-jerk response with auto-like. Whataboutit?
 
Whatsapp started out great. Then it got sold...

Some years ago, I had a customer who feared a breach of security on his network. He took it quite serious, I had my doubts from the start. We checked and checked until the last thing unchecked was his second iphone. When we checked that, several wipes were carried out. Finally, it landed on my desk as "inconclusive", so I decided to use it as a second phone myself, with a new SIM. Nothing happened, until I installed Whatsapp. When I tried to use Whatsapp, I ended up in his messages from a while ago. Puzzled, I checked if I was logged on. I was, despite several full erase operations.

So I was faced with a customer who feared his wife's lover was a young Russian hacker who had several mistresses himself. I booted that customer. Too much is too much.

Since, he's payed at least a dozen others to check his network. Some have found "something", I've been told.
 
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Never use it. Weird that with all the immigrants here that I've met , it's like their main app. They're always asking if I have it. Easier for them or something....

Oh, it's cheaper and easier. For instance, the ring from a "normal" phone only lasts 30 seconds on some, if not most "consumer" carriers. Whatsapp rings much longer.

If you need an alternative messaging app, use Signal.
 
Semantics...

Not useful. Not leading to understanding. What do you expect with a fully indoctrinated population that isn't too smart to start with?

Smart people get rich. The average guy votes, even if it's of no use to anyone and works two, or even three jobs to feed his family. The bottom falls out and leads a terrible life before dying too young.

Look at the drug problem. Even after investing boatloads of money in the "War On Drugs", nothing changes. What would you expect if the main drug importer is a govt operation? Why is the US the only nation being overrun by Fentanyl? Well, there's some overspill into Canada, of course. Oh, yeah, let's blame the Chinese. If it's the Chinese, why are other countries not overrun by Fentanyl?

Fentanyl isn't new. It was first created in Belgium in 1959. It was first used in the States in 1968. It wasn't a problem for decades, as it was only used as a painkiller in palliative patients (read: people already dying from cancer). It became a problem because US pharma started selling it for minor pain problems. It's use exploded (and so did the profit), cause there are many Americans who need to kill a pain in order to get to work, due to inhumane work conditions and non-existant medical care for all.

Still, nobody understands that the real cause of the Fentanyl explosion is capitalism. Nothing else. Pure greed. But hey, socialism is the devil...
 
Semantics...
as the old joke goes, how do you know when a politician is lying, their lips are moving. ;)
Not useful. Not leading to understanding. What do you expect with a fully indoctrinated population that isn't too smart to start with?
Not fully, with competing ideologies.
Smart people get rich.
are you rich? I'm not rich for the US, but comfortable.
The average guy votes,
I vote, do you?
even if it's of no use to anyone and works two, or even three jobs to feed his family.
No family and no jobs if you don't count this volunteer gig as a moderator.
The bottom falls out and leads a terrible life before dying too young.
its too late for me to die young and pretty, but I expect I will die soon enough.
Look at the drug problem. Even after investing boatloads of money in the "War On Drugs", nothing changes. What would you expect if the main drug importer is a govt operation?
Yes the open border is government supported. The fentanyl supply chain is a joint operation between china and Mexican drug cartels. China no doubt wants to destabilize the US, the cartels just want to make money.
Why is the US the only nation being overrun by Fentanyl?
During 2022, Germany was responsible for 19 percent of the world's total fentanyl consumption. This drug can be used as an analgesic and is about 100 times more potent than morphine. Global consumption of fentanyl has increased steadily in the last decade. This statistic displays the distribution of the global fentanyl consumption by region from 2018 to 2022. https://www.statista.com/statistics/459497/worldwide-share-of-fentanyl-consumption-by-country/

The mexican cartels are operating relatively unfettered. It is remarkable how much fentanyl is being intercepted by border agents suggesting even more is coming through. The street price of fentanyl is crazy cheap. Addicts are not known for their judgement. Many innocents (?) die from buying drugs that are contaminated with fentanyl.
Well, there's some overspill into Canada, of course. Oh, yeah, let's blame the Chinese. If it's the Chinese, why are other countries not overrun by Fentanyl?
They don't have a targeted effort from a major enemy like china. China could cut this off in a second but it serves them to destabilize the US.
Fentanyl isn't new. It was first created in Belgium in 1959. It was first used in the States in 1968. It wasn't a problem for decades, as it was only used as a painkiller in palliative patients (read: people already dying from cancer). It became a problem because US pharma started selling it for minor pain problems. It's use exploded (and so did the profit), cause there are many Americans who need to kill a pain in order to get to work, due to inhumane work conditions and non-existant medical care for all.
prescription opioid painkillers are a different problem. Street fentanyl is made in Mexico from raw materials imported from China.
Still, nobody understands that the real cause of the Fentanyl explosion is capitalism. Nothing else. Pure greed. But hey, socialism is the devil...
Nice try.... The drug cartels are profit minded but not capitalist.

Socialism is not evil just a failed system that seduces ignorant with false promises. Any student of history has seen multiple examples of those failures.

JR
 
as the old joke goes, how do you know when a politician is lying, their lips are moving. ;)

How many politicians do you know in person?

Not fully, with competing ideologies.

It is very hard to resist that kind of indoctrination, but obviously, some do. Some are even so disgusted with it, they leave the country.

are you rich? I'm not rich for the US, but comfortable.

Not by any means, but I have no worries. I'm not interested in money, as long as I have enough for my needs. I had an uncle who lived for money. I was the only relative that didn't run upon seeing him appear. He died rich, but very unhappy. Not unhappy about the family as you'd expect, but unhappy about the money he didn't get.

I vote, do you?

We are obliged to vote. That recently changed. I'll still vote though.

Yes the open border is government supported. The fentanyl supply chain is a joint operation between china and Mexican drug cartels. China no doubt wants to destabilize the US, the cartels just want to make money.

Good try. You know very well that wasn't what I was talking about. Maybe that's a way drugs come into the USA. Don't know that much about Mexican cartels, except that they use FSO software. Ain't that funny? The Chinese cannot legally get that software, but Mexican drug cartels can...

During 2022, Germany was responsible for 19 percent of the world's total fentanyl consumption. This drug can be used as an analgesic and is about 100 times more potent than morphine. Global consumption of fentanyl has increased steadily in the last decade. This statistic displays the distribution of the global fentanyl consumption by region from 2018 to 2022. https://www.statista.com/statistics/459497/worldwide-share-of-fentanyl-consumption-by-country/

That's surprising, but these stats are about medicinal use of Fentanyl, I suppose? The Germans are probably more precise than others in reporting. Besides, nothing to do with the Fentanyl crisis.

The mexican cartels are operating relatively unfettered. It is remarkable how much fentanyl is being intercepted by border agents suggesting even more is coming through. The street price of fentanyl is crazy cheap. Addicts are not known for their judgement. Many innocents (?) die from buying drugs that are contaminated with fentanyl.

Isn't it amazing that all these govt agencies have near unlimited power and means and yet they can't fix that problem?

They don't have a targeted effort from a major enemy like china. China could cut this off in a second but it serves them to destabilize the US.

There's that fear again. Atm, the CCP has far bigger problems than the USA.

prescription opioid painkillers are a different problem. Street fentanyl is made in Mexico from raw materials imported from China.

Yeah, so?

Nice try.... The drug cartels are profit minded but not capitalist.

Come again? They are the essence of free trade.

Socialism is not evil just a failed system that seduces ignorant with false promises. Any student of history has seen multiple examples of those failures.

JR

Socialism isn't a system. Communism was a system. The entire developed world is more or less socialist. Every country in Europe has one or more socialist parties. Most countries in Africa have socialist parties. And even in Asia, a lot of countries have socialist parties. Not that it makes everything perfect, but healthcare for all is a sound beginning. And even that is a red flag for the bull.

I really, really have a hard time understanding it. Most Americans are in favour, once they understand what it is and why it's cheaper, safer and better. Yet a lot of you act as if it's written by Satan himself. Why's that if it isn't indoctrination?
 
How many politicians do you know in person?
they few that I have encountered in person at local events did not like my questions.
It is very hard to resist that kind of indoctrination, but obviously, some do. Some are even so disgusted with it, they leave the country.
and so many promise to leave the country, then don't.
Not by any means, but I have no worries. I'm not interested in money, as long as I have enough for my needs. I had an uncle who lived for money. I was the only relative that didn't run upon seeing him appear. He died rich, but very unhappy. Not unhappy about the family as you'd expect, but unhappy about the money he didn't get.
Being frugal without expensive habits, like a wife and kids, or drug habit. I have banked a fair amount and have dabbled in the stock market since the 1960s. I lost more money in the stock market during basic training in the army, than they paid me that year. 🤔

Later running small businesses I became very frugal.
We are obliged to vote. That recently changed. I'll still vote though.
I vote because I think it matters.
Good try. You know very well that wasn't what I was talking about. Maybe that's a way drugs come into the USA. Don't know that much about Mexican cartels, except that they use FSO software. Ain't that funny? The Chinese cannot legally get that software, but Mexican drug cartels can...
Sounds like what you were talking about. No it isn't funny.
That's surprising, but these stats are about medicinal use of Fentanyl, I suppose? The Germans are probably more precise than others in reporting. Besides, nothing to do with the Fentanyl crisis.
which fentanyl crisis are you talking about? It is the leading cause of death for 18-49 YO in USA.
Isn't it amazing that all these govt agencies have near unlimited power and means and yet they can't fix that problem?
Seriously. President Biden reversed tens of ex-President Trump's executive orders that secured the border. Ex-President Trump also negotiated deals with the Mexican government to hold migrants there until their status was reviewed. President Biden is claiming that he doesn't have the authority that he clearly did to reverse them. He says he needs more money, to process more "newcomers".


There's that fear again. Atm, the CCP has far bigger problems than the USA.
as should be expected...
Yeah, so?



Come again? They are the essence of free trade.
Illegal drug sales are not "free trade". They are a criminal enterprise.
Socialism isn't a system. Communism was a system.
semantics🤔
The entire developed world is more or less socialist. Every country in Europe has one or more socialist parties. Most countries in Africa have socialist parties. And even in Asia, a lot of countries have socialist parties. Not that it makes everything perfect, but healthcare for all is a sound beginning. And even that is a red flag for the bull.
yup.
I really, really have a hard time understanding it. Most Americans are in favour, once they understand what it is and why it's cheaper, safer and better. Yet a lot of you act as if it's written by Satan himself. Why's that if it isn't indoctrination?
Alexis de Tocqueville (1805-1859) Best known as author of: Democracy in America (1848)
“The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money.”
― Alexis de Tocqueville

People generally like what they perceive as free sh__. At some point the bills come due, and/or you run out of other people's money (Thatcher). The blatant vote buying going on right now in plain sight is obscene.

JR
 
Oh, come on John. It's not about free stuff. Who planted that idea in your mind? Are you really so simple that you think people who get a handout will automatically vote for the one that created the handout? You'd be amazed if you knew how little that strategy will yield.

It's about not becoming homeless when you're out of a job. Not being financially ruined cause you got sick. Not dying from the cold cause you can't afford heating.

It works in 90% of the developed world. Yet you keep imagining it's satanical. It's not because you're still healthy, had a good job and saved a bit of money that people who weren't so lucky shouldn't get help. That is disgusting in itself.

Solidarity. The word that makes fascists shiver. They know very well they can't infect society with their ideas if people are well and stick together. Fascism needs hunger to spread. It needs a guilty party, even if that guilty party is just imagined. The rise of fascism in the USA, Germany, Italy and Japan was only possible because the economy tanked and lots of people were in need of food, a job...

It's easy to blame others (the commies, the jews...) for a broken economy while the ones who caused the economy to tank get richer. And that's what fascists do. Blame an innocent party. Black, gay, gypsy or jew. Recognisably different makes for an easy victim.
 
Oh, come on John. It's not about free stuff. Who planted that idea in your mind? Are you really so simple that you think people who get a handout will automatically vote for the one that created the handout? You'd be amazed if you knew how little that strategy will yield.

It's about not becoming homeless when you're out of a job. Not being financially ruined cause you got sick. Not dying from the cold cause you can't afford heating.

It works in 90% of the developed world. Yet you keep imagining it's satanical. It's not because you're still healthy, had a good job and saved a bit of money that people who weren't so lucky shouldn't get help. That is disgusting in itself.

Solidarity. The word that makes fascists shiver. They know very well they can't infect society with their ideas if people are well and stick together. Fascism needs hunger to spread. It needs a guilty party, even if that guilty party is just imagined. The rise of fascism in the USA, Germany, Italy and Japan was only possible because the economy tanked and lots of people were in need of food, a job...

It's easy to blame others (the commies, the jews...) for a broken economy while the ones who caused the economy to tank get richer. And that's what fascists do. Blame an innocent party. Black, gay, gypsy or jew. Recognisably different makes for an easy victim.
aw come on whatever your name is.... ;)
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I recognize the modern oppressor/oppressed meme used to divide people.

Keep digging

JR
 

The real attack on Democracy​

A veer back to this again. I can now understand why DT was so into accusations of "fake news", since he was producing so much of it himself, according to what I hear of David Phallus' testimony - predicated on "there's one born every minute."
 
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