daveee

G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« on: February 17, 2010, 07:18:04 PM »
just finished building my first eq, a gyraf pultec :)

i paid quite a bit of attention to detail with the construction (e.g. double-checking all wiring and component values)... but sadly it doesn't work as intended on first test, and i'm wondering if anyone could suggest where i should begin in terms of fault finding...

basically the controls work pretty much as expected, although with all pots at 0 (and even in bypass mode) there is a lack of bottom end (as if it's rolled off). the signal is also a little distorted. when i turn up the low boost pot the bottom end is boosted but the signal becomes more distorted (with low boost at around 2 or 3 the bottom end is roughly where it should be when bypassed, if you see what i mean).

a slightly odd thing i've found is the +250V HT rail is actually at around 275V (i guess because the first power trafo is outputting a slightly high 15V) but i assumed this would be within the tolerated range... maybe a mistake?

any ideas? (thanks in advance!)


substitute

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #1 on: February 17, 2010, 09:51:17 PM »
Did you use an input xfrm or just the output?  I'm not sure whether bypass bypasses the transformers or not, but sounds like it may be one legged output.  Double check all the polarities on your xlr's and make sure you have the transformers hooked up right. 
« Last Edit: February 17, 2010, 10:16:41 PM by substitute »

buschfsu

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2010, 10:00:23 PM »
i had to change the value for  the B+ resistor to get 250v. mine was high at first too.
« Last Edit: February 17, 2010, 10:12:10 PM by buschfsu »
PRR said...
OHM'S LAW. Not as an abstract thing: you should be able to glance at a small circuit and "instantly" know I and V, the way a soccer player glances at the ball and knows the angle and kick

snipsnip

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2010, 04:44:20 AM »
Check the polarity of your wiring from the PSU / Amp to the filter boards.


daveee

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2010, 08:26:03 AM »
thanks for the quick replies!

- yes i'm using LL5402 for input and output transformers, they're mounted on the PCB so can't be hooked up wrong i think...
- all polarities are correct (to/from XLRs, and between amp and filter boards).

i think i'm going to try running a low freq sine wave through it and tracing with the scope and see what i can find...

if there's any more suggestions i'm all ears :)

daveee

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2010, 09:20:22 AM »
ok this is really strange...

i've just realised that the unit works perfectly when first switched on... then after a few minutes this happens: (i'm really not an expert on circuit design so you'll have to forgive me if this is obvious!)

- +6.3V heater voltage slowly decreases to around 2.5V
- +250V HT slowly increases to around +275V
- sound becomes quieter, distorted, with less bottom end.
- if i switch the unit off and on, it works ok again.

i didn't realise this initially because i was waiting for the tube to warm up before running audio through it.

anyone know what this could be?

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2010, 09:36:58 AM »
- +6.3V heater voltage slowly decreases to around 2.5V

That's a big problem, your psu doesn't work...
Bad power transformer?
Maybe too small?

gyraf

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #7 on: February 18, 2010, 09:38:29 AM »
This is most probably because of too little cooling on the heater regulator - it gets too hot and powers down. Try a (much) bigger heat sink.

Lets make this the one and only "Official" GPultec help thread...

Attached a .JPG image with a simplified explanation of the filter workings - if you need to figure out what parts do what job.

Jakob E.
« Last Edit: March 28, 2014, 10:15:40 AM by gyraf »
..note to self: don't let Harman run your company..

loopermc5

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #8 on: February 18, 2010, 10:32:42 AM »
Jakob is right (of course)mine did a very similar thing regulator was shutting down bigger sink and it's all better
Good luck

daveee

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2010, 11:42:47 AM »
thanks jakob, i was hoping you'd see this thread :)

i'm using a fairly standard TO220 heatsink, a C-shaped one about the size indicated on the PCB silkscreen, with thermal paste... but it does seem to be giving off a rather large amount of heat... i'll try and find a bigger one and see if that helps...


daveee

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 12:20:31 PM »
yes!! that's fixed it.

so for future reference...
i used this heatsink to start with:



and replaced it with one like this:


(although black and without those pins)

do you think i could be even better off with using one with more fins? like this:



don't have any to hand so would have to order.

had it running for about 30 mins now with no problems so it seems like the other one will suffice.

thanks everyone!

Matthew Jacobs

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 07:21:30 PM »
Lets make this the one and only "Official" GPultec help thread...

I agree, there's been a lot of threads about G-Pultecs recently, although they has never been a "official" thread. I myself have a few questions about my G-Pultec but have been holding off because I didn't want to create more threads.

This is a excellent idea...

Thanks

J

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2010, 07:34:55 PM »
I'm cool with an "official" thread finally.

Any idea how to change around the gain. I have one unit that is -3dB and another that is -4dB, how can I at least make them the same?

loopermc5

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2010, 10:08:04 PM »
yes!! that's fixed it.

so for future reference...
i used this heatsink to start with:



and replaced it with one like this:


(although black and without those pins)

I used a chunky black one like that and ran it for almost 18 hrs straight no problem. Glad that was an easy fix!

do you think i could be even better off with using one with more fins? like this:



don't have any to hand so would have to order.

had it running for about 30 mins now with no problems so it seems like the other one will suffice.

thanks everyone!

I used a chunky black one like that and ran it for almost 18 hrs straight no problem. Glad that was an easy fix!

gyraf

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #14 on: February 19, 2010, 02:52:35 AM »
I'm cool with an "official" thread finally.

Any idea how to change around the gain. I have one unit that is -3dB and another that is -4dB, how can I at least make them the same?

Try some other/more tubes - stage gain depends on exact tube data. Filter loss varies with the actual end-to-end resistance of your 10K Hi-boost potentiometer (and pots are often +/-20%)

Jakob E.
« Last Edit: February 22, 2010, 01:09:58 AM by gyraf »
..note to self: don't let Harman run your company..

envelope

G-Pultec Inductors
« Reply #15 on: February 20, 2010, 10:24:16 AM »
Can anyone let me know what they used for the inductors, and offer sonic opinions?
20mH, 47mH, 100mH, 100mH

I am also wondering what these values should be for the G-Pultec
 
(I am not yet well-informed in inductors technology, still learning)

Max DC Resistance:
DC Current Rating:
« Last Edit: February 23, 2010, 12:19:13 PM by envelope »

envelope

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #16 on: February 23, 2010, 12:13:09 PM »
just finished building my first eq, a gyraf pultec :)
Hi, I was wondering if you would let me know where you sourced your inductors and the part numbers if possible. thank you kindly

Can anyone help me with this?
« Last Edit: February 23, 2010, 12:19:44 PM by envelope »

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #17 on: February 23, 2010, 01:13:10 PM »
I used faston inductors from mouser

Mouser:
434-03-223J
434-03-473J
434-03-104J

snipsnip

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #18 on: February 23, 2010, 05:45:00 PM »
i used the sowter choke. theyve got one for this project.

Jake

Re: G-PULTEC problems, please help!
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2010, 07:53:28 PM »
Is there anyway to add a trimmer and tweak the levels? prehaps the 470K before the gainstage?


 

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