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MicMaven

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Greetings from Balmy, snowy Michigan!!

Seeking guidance producing PCBs for a couple of amateur radio audio projects. They are quite simple and not terribly exciting. I focus more on utility than complexity. :)

BACKGROUND:

Most amateur radio transceivers are designed to use hand held dynamic microphones which have relatively low output signal levels compared to most computer gaming headsets with electret condenser capsules. Many operators prefer close-talked dynamic microphones because they are generally better at “rejecting” ambient noise, such as loud cooling fans, barking dogs, marauding grandchildren, and a wife shouting orders from a three year old “TO DO” list. Other operators prefer computer widely available computer gaming headsets because they are lightweight, provide some isolation from ambient noise, provide good “communications grade” audio, and especially because they are available at comparatively low cost. (Ham operators are notoriously frugal, i.e., really CHEAP! Nearly all modern transceiver provide 10v bias voltage to power small electret capsules.

The rub is, electret capsules are often often too loud and overdrive the rig/s audio input stage, motivating operators to seek some way to attenuate the signal to provide sufficient headroom to avoid distortion.

SOLUTION:

My little circuit does two things: 1) A two-resistor L-pad attenuates high signal levels produced by electret capsules to approximate lower levels from dynamic cartridges. 2) A resistor reduces bias voltage by very roughly half (more or less) which protects the capsule from high voltage and (to my ears) produces a slightly less shrill, more natural sound (based on empirical observation, broad notions of how electret capsules work, and no scientific foundation or evidence whatsoever. Just trust me, ****ie . . .) :)

My schematic diagram has three variations for routing bias voltage. I once made an image depicting board traces with an on-line, browser-based program provided by PCB maker, www. FarCircuits.com. (See attached images)

The circuit works as intended, has been vetted by numerous operators, and was published in the November 2013 issue of QST Magazine, which has the widest circulation of any amateur radio publication. (Publish or perish, ya know, which also proves I am a real person after all.) :)

OBJECTIVE:

Produce small, low cost, easy to populate PCB’s so other ops can make and use this circuit to better match their computer style gaming headsets to their transceivers. I want to make them as small as practicable and fit in a very small plastic or metal project box, yet easy for older hands to make. Optimally, it should be small enough to install inline as part of a headset’s cable to the rig. Yep, I want my cake and, also, serve it to friends. :)

QUESTIONS:

1) What are the currently preferred sources for purchasing low cost PCBs?

2) How can I convert the Version 3 schematic to a format used by PCB manufacturers? Is there a standard format or most popular program to accomplish this?

3) What (approximately) should I expect to pay for finished boards? I believe most vendors charge a minimum fee for a minimum number of boards with as many circuits as I can fir on them. Is this correct?

4) Can the parts layout be optimized, simplified, or improved to reduce the size of finished boards?

5) Is it cost-effective to have the PCB maker populate the boards as finished goods? OR should I simply provide boards, OR, perhaps, provide boards with loose parts as a kit? I will charge a nominal fee to cover the cost of postage and goods sold. I do not seek to make a profit, nor to run a charity.

6) Is anyone willing and able to convert my project into files which can be used to order boards from a preferred vendor?
Perhaps some boy genius with surplus time on his hands could pencil whip this into a ready-to-order state. I am not lazy, just an opportunist hoping to chart the most expeditious course, of course. Considering other operators will rely on my work, I want to get it right the first time.

6) What else should I ask ? Am I missing anything?

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated as I attempt to produce a quantity of small circuit boards for others to use.

Happy trails to all. JamesAdapter box interior C cr sm.JPGexample board  sm IMG_7749.JPGSchematic Image version 1.01.jpgTrace Diagram 1 C cr.jpgtwo boards sm  .jpg
 

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Greetings from Balmy, snowy Michigan!!

Seeking guidance producing PCBs for a couple of amateur radio audio projects. They are quite simple and not terribly exciting. I focus more on utility than complexity. :)

BACKGROUND:

Most amateur radio transceivers are designed to use hand held dynamic microphones which have relatively low output signal levels compared to most computer gaming headsets with electret condenser capsules. Many operators prefer close-talked dynamic microphones because they are generally better at “rejecting” ambient noise, such as loud cooling fans, barking dogs, marauding grandchildren, and a wife shouting orders from a three year old “TO DO” list. Other operators prefer computer widely available computer gaming headsets because they are lightweight, provide some isolation from ambient noise, provide good “communications grade” audio, and especially because they are available at comparatively low cost. (Ham operators are notoriously frugal, i.e., really CHEAP! Nearly all modern transceiver provide 10v bias voltage to power small electret capsules.

The rub is, electret capsules are often often too loud and overdrive the rig/s audio input stage, motivating operators to seek some way to attenuate the signal to provide sufficient headroom to avoid distortion.

SOLUTION:

My little circuit does two things: 1) A two-resistor L-pad attenuates high signal levels produced by electret capsules to approximate lower levels from dynamic cartridges. 2) A resistor reduces bias voltage by very roughly half (more or less) which protects the capsule from high voltage and (to my ears) produces a slightly less shrill, more natural sound (based on empirical observation, broad notions of how electret capsules work, and no scientific foundation or evidence whatsoever. Just trust me, ****ie . . .) :)

My schematic diagram has three variations for routing bias voltage. I once made an image depicting board traces with an on-line, browser-based program provided by PCB maker, www. FarCircuits.com. (See attached images)

The circuit works as intended, has been vetted by numerous operators, and was published in the November 2013 issue of QST Magazine, which has the widest circulation of any amateur radio publication. (Publish or perish, ya know, which also proves I am a real person after all.) :)

OBJECTIVE:

Produce small, low cost, easy to populate PCB’s so other ops can make and use this circuit to better match their computer style gaming headsets to their transceivers. I want to make them as small as practicable and fit in a very small plastic or metal project box, yet easy for older hands to make. Optimally, it should be small enough to install inline as part of a headset’s cable to the rig. Yep, I want my cake and, also, serve it to friends. :)

QUESTIONS:

1) What are the currently preferred sources for purchasing low cost PCBs?

2) How can I convert the Version 3 schematic to a format used by PCB manufacturers? Is there a standard format or most popular program to accomplish this?

3) What (approximately) should I expect to pay for finished boards? I believe most vendors charge a minimum fee for a minimum number of boards with as many circuits as I can fir on them. Is this correct?

4) Can the parts layout be optimized, simplified, or improved to reduce the size of finished boards?

5) Is it cost-effective to have the PCB maker populate the boards as finished goods? OR should I simply provide boards, OR, perhaps, provide boards with loose parts as a kit? I will charge a nominal fee to cover the cost of postage and goods sold. I do not seek to make a profit, nor to run a charity.

6) Is anyone willing and able to convert my project into files which can be used to order boards from a preferred vendor?
Perhaps some boy genius with surplus time on his hands could pencil whip this into a ready-to-order state. I am not lazy, just an opportunist hoping to chart the most expeditious course, of course. Considering other operators will rely on my work, I want to get it right the first time.

6) What else should I ask ? Am I missing anything?

Any assistance will be greatly appreciated as I attempt to produce a quantity of small circuit boards for others to use.

Happy trails to all. JamesView attachment 144206View attachment 144207View attachment 144208View attachment 144209View attachment 144210

I use easy EDA and order from JLPCB James. I used to home etch pcbs years ago for stomp boxes based on designs in magazines then the internet, but was time to up the ante and have never looked back.

Given the size, and using ‘panelise’ to have multiple pcbs on one board you’ll be paying peanuts for each pcb.
 
Sorry, I didn't see this the first time around, only caught up because you mentioned it in that crazy microphone thread. The title of the post is pretty nondescript, so not sure if I was just busy and didn't see it, or saw it and skipped over because it didn't catch my attention.

What are the currently preferred sources for purchasing low cost PCBs?

The place I hear discussed most often for being easy to deal with an inexpensive is JLCPCB. I assume that is what was intended by "JLPCB" in the previous post, likely a typo for JLCPCB.

How can I convert the Version 3 schematic to a format used by PCB manufacturers? Is there a standard format or most popular program to accomplish this?

What format do you currently have? The standard has been Gerber files and NC drill files going back decades. I think there is a newer standard as well, but a lot of people probably still refer to the newer standard as "Gerber" even if that name isn't fully technically accurate for the newer format.
I do not recognize the farcircuits domain, and when I checked now it appears to not be active, so presumably your existing files are stranded.

The circuit is so simple you can re-enter the schematic in a few minutes, so I would suggest re-entering in something current.
If you think you want to make multiple different PCBs, then you could invest the time to learn Kicad, which is a Free/Libre software package with a lot of momentum. It will be around for quite a while.
If you don't care for the learning curve, then from the JLCPCB web page Support/Tools menu you can get to EasyEDA, which is not quite a full featured, but has options for a downloadable version, or an online version you can use right from a web browser. EasyEDA is created by JLC, so getting help for uploading files is pretty straightforward (although they do have some instructions on how you need to provide files from other programs as well).

I believe most vendors charge a minimum fee for a minimum number of boards with as many circuits as I can fir on them. Is this correct?

The way JLC (and a few other vendors with a similar business model) can offer such low prices is they do not force you to buy a full panel, or even a partial panel. They require you to use a standard stackup (or standard board thickness in the case of two layer boards), and put designs from multiple customers on the same panel.
Seriously, go look at their web page. Starts at $2 for 5 PCBs. I don't know how they do it, but they have a lot of automation, you upload your files and their software checks the files to make sure they have all the needed info and spit back quote information.

Can the parts layout be optimized, simplified, or improved to reduce the size of finished boards?

Sure, use surface mount parts. If you want to maintain the option to hand assemble then use 1206 size resistors. If you get them assembled, then use smaller parts, the 1206 size parts are less common now, so you probably pay more than using smaller resistors.

Is it cost-effective to have the PCB maker populate the boards as finished goods?

Yes, especially if you only have 3 resistors and a cap. JLC will assemble the PCBs for you, with a setup cost of $8 and then some fractional penny cost per solder point (so a resistor would count as two solder points). They often have coupons for first time customers, so you can probably get PCBs made and populated for well under $10 for 5 to start out and see if you like it.
I just went in and checked for 5 10mmx10mm boards you can get them assembled for $2. So $2 for PCBs, $2 for assembly, and a couple of bucks to ship on the slow boat. If you want them to come in a few days you have to pay $18 for DHL.

I'm not sure if they charge extra for through-hole components, if the connectors or terminals you want to use are through-hole you might want to leave those unpopulated and solder in yourself.
Yeah, I just found in their help page that through hole parts get a $3.50 hand assembly charge (even if wave soldered, probably because that parts cannot be automatically installed by the pick-and-place machines).
They have an inventory search function you can use to check the parts inventory they have and pick a common part. I noticed some fine print, like the standard parts don't have extra charge, but they have a list of "extended components" which are not always kept loaded, so there is an additional surcharge for loading those parts onto the placement machine.

But for this specific design, three resistors and a cap, just pick some parts from their standard inventory and let them build for you, see how it comes out.
 
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