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ln76d said:
No, no, no :D :D :D

Not carbon composite type, these are totally different.
Check PM for what am talking about ;)
You shouldn't have any problem with glaze resistors.
R3, R7, R10 are only important. For high impednace sections try TRW, For the rest (voltage divider) use 1% low noise metal film.
I never had troubles with old MP like bosh, hydra, siemens etc.
Question Piotr,

You mentioned R3, R7, R10 are important to be Carbon film right? I am planning on an M49b, so wouldn't it R3, R6, R7, R10?

And the others, should they be metal film, or should I find some NOS resistors for all of them?

Thanks for your thoughts. I know this is DIY, but I'm not one who likes rebuilding something 73 times with different variations on parts, unless something is wrong. I'd rather just get what will sound great, if it's known.

Thanks for your kindness; I appreciate it!

Best,

Mike
 
And one more thing: I have read that it may be advisable to remove C4, C6, and R3 altogether. Klaus seems to think removing R3 is a good idea, and here's a post by a tech at Blue about these:

M49/U47 - Response from BLUE
I ask our Restoration Department at BLUE to answer the questions posted here on
RAP in regards to the M49 and U47 modifications tittled "M49/U47 - removing or
lowering cap value?" . This is the response, I hope it helps.
Regards
Skipper Wise of BLUE

Both cases(U47 and M49) are different by nature as noted by Scott Dorsey.

1. Neumann U47.

R5 is a plate load of the tube. R6 and C3 establish RC filter to clean up
supply voltage additionally that is delivered to amplifying stage. Such a
circuitry is needed in this case, where the heater through R4 and plate of
the tube are connected to the common supply point. As a result, the original
U47 power supply delivers 40 mA current at 105V DC voltage. The original
power supply is hardly capable to deliver clean DC current to the previously
mentioned common supply point. The mentioned RC filter in U47 attenuates AC
component of supply voltage delivered to the plate load. This attenuation
changes from 38.5 times at 50 Hz to 227.3 times at 120 Hz. Looking at the
point R5, R6, C3, the amplifier stage sees this point as an output of the
power supply. The impedance of the point must be as low as possible. If we
assume that the cable and power supply output impedance is 0 Ohms, we find
out the impedance of the point changes at from 775 Ohms at 20 Hz to 15.9
Ohms at 1 kHz. As we see these parameters are not very good.
The best solution of this problem is separating the plate and heater of the
tube using contemporary electronically stabilized power supply and thus
avoiding such RC circuits.

2. Neumann M49, cap. C4.

Cap. C4 (8 pF) is placed between tube’s AC 701 plate and grid. So it is
parallel to the tube’s own capacitance Cag. This capacitance according to
the tube’s manufacturer’s literature is 2.2 pF. As a result we get 10.2 pF.
At stage’s gain (20 dB)  - in other words – 10 times (it is a typical
volume) we get 102 pF (10.2 pF x 10 = 102 pF) known as Miller’s capacitance
that is connected between tube’s grid and cathode. This is a parasitical
capacitance that causes attenuation of signal in cases of capacitive
acoustical transducer(condenser mic capsule). It will reduce the signal
dynamic range. So it is preferable to remove this capacitance.

3.  Neumann M49, cap. C6.
In this case cap. C6 together with the output impedance of the amplifying
stage (it can be considered as an an active resistance) establish first
order LP (low pass) filter that reduces signal at high frequencies.
Measuring the circuitry, we got the following results:
     2 kHz  - 0.04 dB
     4 kHz  - 0.12 dB
     8 kHz  - 0.43 dB
   10 kHz  - 0.65 dB
   16 kHz  - 1.48 dB
   20 kHz   -2.14 dB
31.5 kHz  -4.08 dB
Capacitance C6 brings the following phase distortion:
     2 kHz +   4.1 Deg.
     4 kHz +   8.2 Deg.
     8 kHz + 15.9 Deg.
   10 kHz + 19.5 Deg.
   16 kHz + 29.1 Deg.
   20 kHz + 34.3 Deg.
31.5 kHz + 44.5 Deg.
It is preferable to remove this capacitance.
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rec.audio.pro/jQC3wLhKWo0

What are your thoughts on this?

Thanks,

Mike
 
Hey Mike,

for M49B most important are R3, R6, R7, R10 (also R4 could be carbon, i forgot about it).
For the high impedance resistors take whatever you will find. Rather there's really hard to find original type of resistors in this range of resistance.
R8 and R9 is much easier to use 1% metal film resistors to get proper divider for polarisation voltage matching.
You schouldn't notice dfference in sound in this position. If you will find 1M from old resistors, for example 1%, 2%, 5% then you can buy more of them and measure it, but it shouldn't change anything. Defintely there wouldn't be degradation in sound if you will use old resistors.

All mentioned "improvements" i think are not so improvements at all ;)
In M49 from B version Neumann add so called "broadacast filters".
It's the part of the sound which most people call M49 type of sound.
It's that "mojo" of M49.
Not without a reason you will find many posts about less low end than in other designs and that it fit female vocals the best etc.
C4 is a feedback capacitor which have really good properties. Removing it you will get little bit different sensitivity as also response. It makes more linear response.  Definately i would keep it.
C2,C3,R3,R4 forms another feedback but with hipass filter. Similar you will find in u87.
This is exact, most popular, M49 sound.
I build C version with M7 capsule and tried with filter and without it. In both cases it sounds good but really different. I tested it with cheap k47 and to be honest it sounds better with filtering.
I'll be rebuilding this microphone with different k47 (M7 go to different mike) and definately it will be using filter.
I would definately keep original schematic here.
For more low end you will have to remove all these parts except C2 which you should connect direct to ground.
Since it's feedback you will also get a little bit different sensitivity.
Better option for more low end is just higher capacitance of C3 and all other things except low end roll off stay the same.
C6 is LPF. I didn't noticed any difference for both capsules in high frequency area. It can add some little distortion.
If there wouldn't be C4, at C6, 200pF will make more hi freq roll off than 600pF in original design.
It also filtering RF.
Definately you should consider use of S2 switch - this is part where you notice improvement, and Neumann not without a reason add it. If you have no option to use it, then try C1 470pF. For all other parts i would keep original type of circuit.

I newer understood that type of modifications which people like Oliver Archut and many others liked to introduce.
Mentioned distortions aren't that kind which you wouldn't like if you will hear it at all.
So what? To looks better on a paper from electronic design side?
If distortion or noise are not introduced by electronic parts degradation (due to time of use) then it's not worth to change good design.
I agree that some DDR microphones need some little improvements, but also not so drastic like you will find propositions from the "specialists".
Good microphones doesn't need castration of their unique features.
What for making all microphones similar to each other, with everything hyped etc.
What for making diy microphones based on clasic designs?
Instead you could buy few Rode K2, it's tube microphone which is designed very well from electronic designing point of view.
Less distortion, high sensitivity, ultra hyped filtration and response and other blah, blah, blah. 
But there's one problem :D
It's sounds ugly :D
It's just like you would buy old neve console and remove all the preamps to fit to the enclosure modern "hi-end" opamps and make it transformerless or use lundahls :D

 
Stunning arguments Piotr!!

Thank-you thank-you thank-you for sharing so much, with such depth, wisdom, and kindness!

You are a treasure here and you make GDIY so much better!!

I'm taking your advice!

Let me ask you another question about power supplies. Do you like the Neumann passive psu design, or would a regulated psu be better?

I built a voltmeter into my last psu for a Poctop M49 - I have a real ac701k - and good thing I did because the heater fluctuates from 3.8 to 4.2+ due to variations in the wall power. I'm always having to adjust it! I made the pots accessible from outside the box thank god, but it's still nerve-wracking.

I'm just thinking a regulated psu would give me more peace of mind. But would it degrade the sound or introduce noise - this is an M49b.

Thanks!!  Loving your posts man!!!
 
Neumann mostly used regulted PSU for both B+ and heaters :)

Just look at schematics ;)

http://www.filmsoundsweden.se/voxbilder/filmhist/nataggr/nataggr-nn48a.jpg
http://www.filmsoundsweden.se/voxbilder/filmhist/nataggr/nataggr-n48b.jpg
https://reverb-res.cloudinary.com/image/upload/s--z2ZsXKwQ--/a_exif,c_limit,f_auto,fl_progressive,g_south,h_620,q_auto:eco,w_620/v1413007365/il8nbtpcn7wajewfumvz.jpg

It all depends. Sometimes am even using old selenium rectifiers for new builds and non regulated B+.
For heaters usual am using regulated psu section. There's no benefit from fluctuations in heaters.
I didn't found also benefit from underheating for different tubes.
I never also had noise problem with simple zener as regulator.
Just need to be properly filtered and don't have to be fancy schmancy design.
I like simple things, and these usul work as it should ;)
Check if after half hour of using microphone voltage still fluctuate.
 
Great insights man - thank-you! Seriously your posts here are going to help a lot of people who are willing to listen to you!

I understand the basics of PSU's, but not enough to feel comfortable designing my own. I understand that Matador/Chunger will be coming out with a regulated Tube PSU soon (there's a dedicated thread about it here: https://groupdiy.com/index.php?topic=55333.0)

However they are not done with it yet. I don't need it immediately, but do you think this would be a good option? Otherwise all I know is Poctop's M49 passive PSU, which is great, but of course there's no regulation at all. As I say, I've had trouble during sessions where the voltage fluctuates significantly where my studio is, and last night after a recording session I noticed the H+ had gone from 3.92V - which I had carefully set it at before starting - to something like 3.68V or perhaps lower. I was aghast because I had been recording for almost 1.5 hours and hadn't thought to double-check it whilst recording!

That's why I'm eager to consider a regulated PSU.

Thanks again Piotr; you're awesome man!!!!  :D  8)  :)  ;)
 
Send me some pics of Dan PSU PCB which you have. I think there shouldn't be a problem to adapt regulation to it but need to see how many place is inside.  You can also easily build PSU point to point or on a perfboard. PCB doesn't matter here same with its color (especially if yellow ;D ).
BTW
If you are using potentiometer for pattern change i would suggest to use rotary switch and few resistors.
I really like recurrence of setup :D

 
Hi Piotr, yes thanks for your ideas. I like the idea of making the rotary pot to be a 3-position switch; I'm always nervous when I use my first M49 that I'm going to bump it out of position!

However, for the S2 switch, I notice that Neumann did some special acrylic top board inside the microphone, and Klaus says this is to totally isolate the switch. How do you make a switch inside that is isolated correctly, and what switch would you use?

Thanks kindly,

Mike
 
Also, as far as metal film, what you do think of Shinkohs? I didn't like the PRP because they seemed cheaply made and kind of fell apart, but there's also the Takman's and Audio Notes.
 

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