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Emperor-TK

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I just got a new toy at work, which led me to think about a new (I think) compressor topology... the chemical compressor. Before I start, let me just say that I'm not going to build this, or even research it. I don't think that it will be simple or practical, just interesting as a concept. I'm just presenting this idea as a curiosity.

I just purchased a new pH meter for field use, and the probe that goes with this meter is a solid state design known as an ISFET (ion sensitive FET). As I understand it, the traditional transistor gate is replaced with a proton sensitive layer that will adjust the source-drain current proportionally to the concentration of H+ ions in the solution. Some of the aqueous surfactant systems that I work with are sheer sensitive, where the surfactant phase orderings change with physical disturbances, and as a consequence, the amount of free ions (including H+) in the bulk aqueous phase changes proportionally. Hypothetically, I can make up one of these solutions, insert an audio transducer as a way of imparting sheer, and measure the change in pH as a function of the audio's amplitude (and possibly frequency) with the ISFET.

I suspect that the slow response time of the ISFET probe and the aqueous system itself are pretty much deal breakers for a practical compressor, along with strong hysteresis in the solution. However, I suspect that it might be possible to make one with limited functionality (with attack and release times on the order of 10-30 seconds). The ISFET is what put the compressor idea in my head, but a traditional 19th century electrochemical pH probe would work too, generating a voltage differential as a function of acoustic sheer. My system might even work directly as half of an electrochemical cell.

Imagine running a session where you need to add a little more vinegar to the compressor to get it to sound the way you like. Would threads at the lab read like "what's better to mod my compressor, malt vinegar or distilled white'? Malt vinegar of course sounds warmer, distilled white is clearer and more open sounding. :green:

-Chris
 
The system I am thinking about wouldn't work in the gaseous state, but that isn't to say that some other system wouldn't. Once you are dealing with ionization in the gaseous state, you are dealing more with plasma physics than traditional wet chemistry. But there are other super fast gas phase reactions that could be monitored by other means of course (with a laser for example).

I've been slightly intrigued with non-electronic systems (electromechanical and electrochemical) as a substitute in audio recording ever since I saw that 60's era delay unit that used a coil of garden hose and transducer to generate the delayed signal (I forget what those are called). About ten years ago I did some work in microfluidics. One of the post docs I was working with had an interest in analog computing using fluid systems. I can imagine a compressor system based on that technology. We had developed a system of pumps and valves. Some of the valves had pressure thresholds that had to be met before flow would occur. Others would restrict the flow (pressure drop) so that the gozouttas would only be a small ratio of the gozintas. Others were check valves, very similar to diodes.

Again, probably not practical (no one's built the analog computer with that technology yet AFAIK), but fun to think about.

When I see electrical systems modeled with springs and dashpots, it seems like it would be fun to build a few that way, just for kicks.

-Chris
 
[quote author="amorris"]what about gas? those would be faster reactions.[/quote]

<Sorry for the following, I can't help myself its so obvious and I really need the release of comic energy just now. Thanks for understanding>


You must have had lunch at Taco Bell? :green:


<Again, I'm really sorry...>

Peace!
Charlie
 
Props for the open mind.
What about a chemical fuse>
They make these poly switches, the more current they get, the higher the resistance.

The curve would be more condusive to a limiter, rather than a compressor.
 
Dan !!!

how the $%^& are ya ??

I've probably got a thousand things to talk about
... but right now I can't think of one
:shock:

but it's all good
:thumb:
 
I think this is a very, very interesting topic. As a chemist, I have given this much thought. First, we would nomally be dealing with liquids. I don't need to tell you about the liability.

That aside, I do think there can be some very interesting experiments that can be done using electro-chemical response.

Put on the thinking caps

Love Denny :grin:
 
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