Deaths from climate change

[crazydoc]

Confirmation bias is the name of the game. Use of WWW has made it so easy for all of us to think we're right. (Except me, of course - I AM right.)

 

[user 37518]

Opinions vary.

Are you sure you want the report too be peer reviewed, by the same "extremely biased scientific mafia" you just lambasted two pages ago? I would think not being peer reviewed should be a feature, not a bug.

In fact, the last 'report' posted here back on page 36, from a web site with a questionable name, with reviewers that had an agenda, with cites to other university web sites, that was not peer reviewed, seemed to garner a much different reaction from you.

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I am not the one citing a lousy report as "Science says". So I guess that your article which cites "Telemundo" or similar sources is now correct because I gave a "like" to a post. A "like" disproves everything I guess. The left has a weird way of thinking. That coupled with cancellation and digging stuff in an attempt to public shame.

 

[Matador]

The left has a weird way of thinking.

We are all naked partisans here: sometimes we convince ourselves we are actually clothed.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Being sarcastic doesn't mak

We are all naked partisans here: sometimes we convince ourselves we are actually clothed.

Speak for yourself.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

I've seen the tweet. Nothing really out of the ordinary and certainly not anything newsworthy. But an excellent example of spinning a half-truth into election publicity. When I read it, it looked like a boutade. But that's only me, of course.

How many 5000+ sq ft homes do the Clintons own and how does that square with their alleged concern for carbon neutrality? I agree that their hypocrisy is nothing new, but it definitely is newsworthy along with Gore and Kerry.

https://scenetherapy.com/presidential-properties-the-clintons-house/
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/photos-al-goree-new-8875_n_579286
https://www.wivb.com/news/report-al-gores-home-uses-34-times-as-much-energy-as-average-home/
One of several of the Kerry's modest homes.

https://vineyardgazette.com/news/2017/03/09/john-kerry-buys-historic-marthas-vineyard-property

That graph you posted was so obviously fake, I couldn't see how you 'd miss that John. Made me jump to the conclusion that either you knew it was fake, or you were so blinded by propaganda that you wouldn't notice. It also doesn't have to do with my approval of a source. You suppose I would like the story if it came from liberal media, but I don't. There aren't very much major news channels I deem trustworthy. It usually requires a bit of effort to verify anything. So It could be lazyness? ;-)

Did you check your own source? It shows the same trend and a 15% reduction in CO2 emissions since 2007. We're back to early 90s levels with a much larger population. How do China and India look by comparison?

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/USA/united-states/carbon-co2-emissions
https://www.statista.com/statistics/183943/us-carbon-dioxide-emissions-from-1999/

Oh, the permafrost thawing doesn't go fast, but it's been going on for decades. The area were infected burials have taken place (human and animal) already thawed partially, fi. The area isn't as empty as it used to be. There are over 35 million people living in Siberia today, fi. And they're traveling quite a bit more too. A baby mammoth or two also turned up.

Plague is active in several areas and a few cases pop up every year. Not sure why you're so concerned about that and not the GoF research being done in Chinese and other labs.

https://www.cdc.gov/plague/maps/index.html

 

[JohnRoberts]

What do you think about this?

Coincidence, the hearings were scheduled before the plea deal fell apart. The puppet masters thought it was a done deal.

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On the actual topic (climate), this morning I finished reading the first chapter from Lomborg's new book"Best things first". Chapter one is about Tuberculosis. Pretty much solved for the wealthy western world using modern antibiotics and a working vaccine. The poor nations do not possess the wealth to put this behind them.

To reduce this to a bullet point, addition tuberculosis effort costing $6.2 billion annually could save about a million lives a year over the next decades.

I am not sure whether this makes me angry or optimistic watching us spend trillions to combat some projected climate disaster many decades from now while Tuberculosis claims more lives than all infectious diseases combined including Covid right now.

Another obvious message between the lines, anything we can do to increase world wealth, especially raising people out of poverty, can fix a lot of problems already solved in the wealthy western world.

JR

 

[JohnRoberts]

This morning I read the second chapter in Lomborg's book (only ten more to go). This chapter was about low hanging fruit improvements to education. The focus was mostly on poor countries who could make themselves less poor by educating their populations.

The takeaways IMO was that spending was up on education worldwide, but results were not. Two obvious potential improvements 1) teach children at their appropriate education level (not in large groups mixed with different levels.). 2) Provide inexperienced teachers with good coursework plans to follow, many teachers are barely better educated than the children.

As a correlation with #1 I recall reading an article about education improvements made in MS by testing and holding back children at something like the 4th grade is they are not reading at that grade level. This paid dividends with better performance after passing that hurdle.

Per Lomborg, these minor improvements to education could provide a 10x payback making poor nations more wealthy from the bottom up.

JR

 

[user 41968]

https://www.breitbart.com/europe/20...ires-result-of-arson-climate-minister-admits/

Greek Climate Change Minister Vassilis Kikilias has revealed that the majority of the 667 fires that have erupted across the country in recent weeks were ignited by “were caused by human hand”. Kikilias told reporters that the people responsible were guilty of “arsons either by criminal negligence or by intention”, according to Sky News.

Conspiracy theory "de jour" from the Greek Climate Change Minister?
Don't worry cupcakes: When Zero Hedge posts an article on the Greek arsonist wildfires I'll certainly post it.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I finished another 1 1/2 chapters in Lomborg's book.

-Low hanging fruit still exists to improve maternal and baby survival in childbirth. Again the poor results correlate with national wealth so the poorest nations suffer the worst results. The proposed solution is to get more childbirths in sanitary, suitably equipped facilities. Again the low $Bs of dollars does not seem like a lot.

-next chapter not finished yet is about food supply. This area has actually gotten worse recently because of Covid and the Ukraine war. Surprisingly one suggestion with a high expected payback is agricultural R&D.
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Admittedly billions of dollars is a lot for impoverished countries, but it a rounding error on government spending in the wealthy west.

JR

 

[JohnRoberts]

Just finished the chapter about Malaria.... another disease already well managed in wealthy western countries, that still takes way too many lives in poor nations.

The best strategy right now to break the malaria cycle (disease gestates inside mosquitos), is bedroom mosquito nets coated with insecticide. Mosquitos have evolved to resist old school insecticides but newer more expensive ones do work. The old coated mosquito nets cost something like $3 the new insecticide increases that to $4.50. Still cheap for how many lives these save. The nets only have a service life of 3 years. This is some more low hanging fruit where a few $B a year can save many lives (mostly in sub-sahara africa).

It still makes me angry to hear about how much money we are spending to avert some hypothetical disaster a century from now, while allowing millions to die today.

JR

 

[FarisElek]

https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminsti...ntastical-numbers-in-bjorn-lomborgs-new-book/

 

[user 37518]

https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminsti...ntastical-numbers-in-bjorn-lomborgs-new-book/

 

[JohnRoberts]

No doubt he has haters...

After reading several chapters from his book talking about low hanging fruit for better ways to spend money I started thinking to myself, I wouldn't mind contributing to a charity based on his ideas.

I found some likewise discrediting citations.

I expect he will offer suggestions in the last chapter

JR

 

[AnalogPackrat]

https://www.lse.ac.uk/granthaminsti...ntastical-numbers-in-bjorn-lomborgs-new-book/

Author of the hit piece, Bob Ward, surely doesn't have any bias or skin in the game. Oh, wait.

"Bob joined the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment in November 2008, shortly after its launch.

He also holds the following positions:

• Chair of the London Climate Change Partnership.
• Policy and Communications Director for the Centre for Climate Change Economics and Policy."

 

[Matador]

Author of the hit piece, Bob Ward, surely doesn't have any bias or skin in the game. Oh, wait.

Perhaps you could point out something in the actual article that you find objectionable and argue against it rather than applying fallacial skills and attacking the source.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

I object to his obvious bias. Who signs his paycheck? Who manages his work product (including said hit-piece)? Only a blind fool cannot see the conflict of interest.

 

[fazer]

I looked up Bob ward also and my search showed 7 hit pieces on different articles similar to Lomborgs. I assuming that’s what he does for his living. Bob keeps those funds rolling in.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Also, do the subsidized prices of EVs, wind generators, and PV panels take into account what environmental damage their manufacturing, operation, and disposal cause? How many more mines (controlled by the environmentally conscious Chinese) will be opened to supply the copper, lithium, and rare earth elements needed to make these "green" products? How many square miles of forest, farmland, and pasture will be converted to solar and wind farms? How many landfills will be ripped open to dispose of composite windmill blades that are not recyclable?

Aren't trees, grass, and plants efficient and low-maintenance ways to capture carbon and convert CO2 into O2 while also producing food, wood (for construction, furniture, etc.), and far more scenic vistas than the "green" alternatives? And why should those of us who choose to live in rural areas have to have our environment degraded by these monstrosities so that clueless cityfolk can feel good about themselves?

 

[user 37518]

Here is some more objectivity, courtesy of "the consensus".

Nobel Prize winner who doesn't believe climate crisis has speech canceled

 

[JohnRoberts]

I applaud critical thinking about climate science. Question everything and everyone (including me). I have been following this for a very long time. I never heard of Bob Ward before but a quick search reveals some unflattering characterizations.

I found this appearance Bob Ward debates Net Zero with Nigel Farage - Grantham Research Institute on climate change and the environment

It looks to me like dueling blowhards so you guys with too much time on your hands can watch it and give us a review.

JR

 

[cyrano]

I hope you do realize Nigel Farrage makes his money from waste and has recently unloaded a ship with dangerous waste on the US tax payer? And now he thinks Brexit was a bad idea...

 

[JohnRoberts]

I hope you do realize Nigel Farrage makes his money from waste and has recently unloaded a ship with dangerous waste on the US tax payer? And now he thinks Brexit was a bad idea...

nice try but that does not make me want to listen to him...

JR

 

[cyrano]

You're not missing anything, really.

This might be the breakthrough needed to make renewable energy universal. Supercaps from cement, carbon black and some potassium chloride.

https://news.mit.edu/2023/mit-engineers-create-supercapacitor-ancient-materials-0731
Sounds great. Whaddaya all think?