Deaths from climate change

[JohnRoberts]

I'm shocked, POTUS just went on the record again about climate change.

Finally, when pushed on the fact that the United States remains one of the top emitters of carbon dioxide, Biden pushed back on that claim but also said he's looking to further curtail oil drilling as a way to reduce emissions.

"I want to stop all drilling on the East Coast, and on the West Coast and on the Gulf," he said. "But I lost in court. But we’re still pushing very hard."
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The president called climate change "the existential threat" facing humanity while speaking with meteorologist Stephanie Abrams from the Grand Canyon. When pressed on the need to declare a national climate emergency that would free up more resources to fight the effects of global warming, he cited the administration's land conservation and decision to rejoin the Paris climate accord but stopped short of saying he plans to declare such an emergency.
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Kind of missed in the noise POTUS designated the fifth national monument of his presidency and unveiled new climate resilience funding for national parks during a visit to lands surrounding one of the seven natural wonders of the world, the Grand Canyon. The designation protects the area from potential uranium mining. It also protects existing grazing permits and leases, existing mining claims and will support area hunting and fishing, officials said. It encompasses approximately 917,000 acres of public land, officials said.

Protects the area from uranium mining.... Nuclear energy is 24x7 and zero carbon... why do we need to protect us from mining domestic uranium. Right now we buy most uranium we use from Russia or Kazakhstan(?). Back when Hillary was secretary of state a russian energy company bought a canadian company gaining control over 20% of US Uranium. Reportedly the Clinton foundation received some $100M in donations form the principals involved, but this is likely a coincidence. We don't hear much about the Clinton foundation these days.

JR

 

[jabe]

Reportedly the Clinton foundation received some $100M in donations form the principals involved, but this is likely a coincidence. We don't hear much about the Clinton foundation these days.

Yes, how curious we longer hear about a conspiracy theory that was thoroughly debunked. PolitiFact - Complex tale involving Hillary Clinton, uranium and Russia resurfaces

 

[Matador]

In the 1950s, the USA had a great deal of uranium mining, promoted by federal subsidies. Peak production since 1970 was 16,800 tU in 1980, when there were over 250 mines in operation. This abruptly dropped to 50 in 1984 when 5,700 tU was produced, and then there was a steady decline to 2003, by which time there were only two small operations producing a total of under 1000 tU/yr, or about 5% of the uranium consumed by US nuclear plants. So, for the first step in the nuclear fuel cycle, the US must rely on imports of uranium from countries such as Canada and Australia, or downblended weapons-grade uranium from Russia (see section on Military surplus and other government stocks below).

I see Biden is once again using his time machine to wreck everything.

In July 2018, the US Department of Commerce launched a Section 232 investigation* into whether the USA's reliance on uranium imports poses a threat to national security. Prior to that, the US Department of the Interior determined uranium to be a critical mineral. In July 2019, the petition was rejected.

Thanks Trump!

In September 2022 as part of the $47 billion in supplemental funding request in the Biden administration's short-term spending bill, $1.5 billion in funds was requested “for the acquisition and distribution of low-enriched uranium (LEU) and high-assay LEU (HALEU)… to reduce the reliance of the United States and friendly foreign countries on nuclear fuels from the Russian Federation and other insecure sources of LEU and HALEU.”

Thanks Biden!

Three uranium enrichment plants – at Oak Ridge, Tennessee; Paducah, Kentucky; and Portsmouth, Ohio – were built by the federal government in the 1940s and 1950s for defence purposes and operated for about 25 years. From 1969 to 1992, the US Department of Energy (DOE) and its predecessor agencies sold some of the plants’ enrichment services commercially under full-cost recovery contracts that required utility customers to pay for the plants’ future decommissioning. These fees were collected once, and then further fees were levied from 1992 for decommissioning.

Sounds like socialism!

 

[JohnRoberts]

Yes, how curious we longer hear about a conspiracy theory that was thoroughly debunked. PolitiFact - Complex tale involving Hillary Clinton, uranium and Russia resurfaces

I checked snopes before I shared that old quid pro quo... what was debunked by Snopes was that Hillary did not have the sole authority to approve that sale. Multiple of her fellow staff members of the Obama WH were involved in that approval. What was not debunked however were the fat contributions to the Clinton foundation from uranium industry principals. It looks like selling influence has been a popular business among swamp dwellers, for a while.
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This is old news and only of interest to me now because POTUS is effectively blocking mining of uranium from the 1M acres around the Grand Canyon. This new action strikes me as counter productive to a sensible (all of the above) energy policy.

JR

 

[Matador]

It looks like selling influence has been a popular business among swamp dwellers, for a while.

..an examination of [Jared Kushner's and Steve Mnuchin's] travels toward the end of the Trump presidency raises other questions about whether they sought to exploit official relationships with foreign leaders for private business interests. In the weeks after the election, Mr. Kushner made three trips to the Middle East, the last for a Jan. 5 summit in Saudi Arabia with leaders of the Gulf monarchies. Mr. Mnuchin that day began a tour through the region that was planned to include private meetings with the heads of the sovereign wealth funds of Saudi Arabia, the Emirates, Qatar and Kuwait—all future investors.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Do you mean Jared Kushner, the architect of the Abraham accord?

JR

 

[Matador]

Do you mean Jared Kushner, the architect of the Abraham accord?

Is there another Jared Kushner that worked in the Trump administration?

 

[AnalogPackrat]

"...raises other questions..." but no actual facts to support the implied wrong-doing unlike Hillary. Weak sauce as usual from the bull xxxx wrangler.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

And Uranium mining fell off after the Greens fought against any and all new plant construction. Big surprise. Of course we could have been researching alternatives like Thorium, but instead we wasted decades and tens of billions on as-yet uncommercialized fusion research. Great job .gov!

 

[jabe]

Is there another Jared Kushner that worked in the Trump administration?

Maybe he's talking about the Jared Kushner who got $2 billion from Saudi Arabia immediately after leaving the White House. That's gotta be a different guy.

 

[user 41968]

More climate change mayhem

 

[JohnRoberts]

More climate change mayhem

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If that was caused by wind it would be "weather"....climate would put many cars into many roofs.
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Spoiler alert, that incident is reported as an intentional car crash (by an apparent dumbass).

JR

 

[user 41968]

Every bad thing is attributed to global warming. Prior to that it was Covid-19.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Every bad thing is attributed to global warming. Prior to that it was Covid-19.

nah, Trump did it...

[edit- I'm waiting for a kick ass hurricane.... the oceans are warm and we are past due... of course that will be blamed on climate change. /edit]

JR

 

[user 37518]

nah, Trump did it...

OJ did it!

 

[user 37518]

Every bad thing is attributed to global warming. Prior to that it was Covid-19.

Don't worry about it, I am sure there will be plenty of lockdowns in the future, either due to a so-called Climate Emergency, or due to new Covid strains, or some weird new virus as some prophets like Bill Gates have been warning us about. I miss the good old days when Bill Gates only focused on making crappy software rather than trying to "save humanity"

 

[cyrano]

Denial is so easy, especially for believers...

 

[JohnRoberts]

Denial is so easy, especially for believers...

easier to attack people than the science while the attack on fossil fuels is a perversion of the science. Climate change is an objective fact (climate has always been changing). Using this as an excuse to shut down the fossil fuel industry is wrong for multiple reasons.

The climate dogma has become so ingrained in media that I see bad examples in almost every newspaper article I read. Today's nugget was in an article about genetically altered beef cattle , and salmon, to mature faster. The claim was that this is to make them more "climate change resistant".

This would be funny if it wasn't so damaging.

JR

[edit] I just got a notice from my utility telling me that I used 5% less electricity than I used a year ago.... not so sure about this weekend with 100'+ forecast. /edit]

 

[jabe]

Climate change is an objective fact (climate has always been changing).

Now this is a disingenuous framing: you are indeed aware that those concerned about "climate change" are not fretting that the global climate changes at all over time but are concerned with the  rapidity of its current changes, its causes, and its potentional catastrophic effects. Yes, we are aware you do not share those concerns, but it does you no favors to misrepresent them.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Now this is a disingenuous framing: you are indeed aware that those concerned about "climate change" are not fretting that the global climate changes at all over time but are concerned with the  rapidity of its current changes, its causes, and its potentional catastrophic effects. Yes, we are aware you do not share those concerns, but it does you no favors to misrepresent them.

Please. How much direct data on past rates of change do we have as a basis for comparison? 100-150 years? And the indirect data show very rapid changes (exiting glaciation periods, the younger Dryas period 11-15k years BP, etc.).

Answer me this: what range of average surface temperature is best for human habitation? Hint: what happened to agriculture during recent short periods of cooling like the "little ice age?" It seems apparent that warmer is better than cooler for humanity. A few C drop would result in mass famine and death.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Now this is a disingenuous framing: you are indeed aware that those concerned about "climate change" are not fretting that the global climate changes at all over time but are concerned with the  rapidity of its current changes, its causes, and its potentional catastrophic effects. Yes, we are aware you do not share those concerns, but it does you no favors to misrepresent them.

Really.... the general public discussion about climate change frames everybody who objects as a climate change denier (similar to flat earthers). I am just taking that original insult off the table.

[edit] I just heard a sound bite from POTUS admitting that his "inflation reduction act" was misnamed because it was actually a climate spending bill, that increased inflation... doh (paraphrased not his precise quote). /edit]

JR

 

[user 37518]

Denial is so easy, especially for believers...

Yes, that's what I been saying all along, climate catastrophe believers don't make any sense

 

[ruffrecords]

Denial is so easy, especially for believers...

Cynicism is so easy, especially for zealots.

Cheers

Ian