Deaths from climate change

[JohnRoberts]

I saw a news release from exxon talking about how much the CO2 reduction strategies are falling short. Exxon is dealing with multiple lawsuits saying that they were lying about climate change. I suspect this new truth will not be very popular.
Exxon says world set to fail 2°C global warming cap by 2050

• Exxon projects oil, gas to be 54% of world’s needs in 2050
• CO2 emissions in 2050 to double IPCC's desired scenario

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In related carbon capture news :
Carbon TerraVault, a Brookfield-backed joint venture, has been blocked from providing carbon-capture services to some industrial customers by a California law that temporarily bars CO2 from flowing through new pipelines in the state, one of the latest examples of the uncertainties that clean-energy investors face as they bet billions of dollars in emerging sectors.

California Pipeline Pause Weighs on Brookfield-Backed Carbon Business

CA shut the project down until they can get Federal regulations defining everything about CO2 transport. Maybe they don't love the planet in CA?

JR

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Some actual information:

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"Wood Vault is a centralized storage facility that collects wood from a variety of sources such as urban natural wood residuals (woody yard trimmings, NWR) , wood from storm damage, wood from forest thinning, construction and demolition debris, wood harvested in sustainably managed forests. The buried biomass is sealed off from oxygen with clay or other low-permeability material and embedded in a subterranean environment that will prevent decomposition semi-permanently. Variations and other versions are discussed later"

https://cbmjournal.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13021-022-00202-0

That's how landfills are built. Your "actual information" fails to include the energy (fossil fuels) used to "harvest" and the collateral ecosystem damage done in the process. It fails to account for the massive excavation (both for the hole and for the clay) costs (energy, land use loss, etc.).

In most places I've lived yard debris and smaller branches are composted and some places make the results available to the community for gardening, landscaping, etc. The larger stuff is used for firewood, sold to pulp plants (to make paper products), or chipped for biofuel or landscape mulch.

And since these "vaults" are only "semi-permanent" then aren't they just a future carbon time bomb waiting to go off? And in the meantime we get nothing from the wood. The whole concept is ridiculous. It reminds me of the old joke about the physicist helping the dairyman.

 

[crazydoc]

The "actual information" was the paper proposing the concept, not uninformed opinion on it's viability. You can take it or leave it.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

The "actual information" was the paper proposing the concept, not uninformed opinion on it's viability. You can take it or leave it.

Is a purely academic paper really "actual information?" It reeks of spherical cow. I note, wryly, that it's publication date of 4/1/22 is highly appropriate.

 

[scott2000]

How many square miles of forest, farmland, and pasture will be converted to solar and wind farms?

Neat video

 

[Tubetec]

I just heard from a friend who lives in Florida she was badly hit by the storm , no loss of life or limb , insurance will cover the damage upto a certain extent , but its the loss of mainly small personal items money cant ever replace thats hit her the most .

Shes quite a distance inland , the water just stopped draining and rose a foot or two , the high winds brought down an oak tree in her front room . Electrical infrastructure in the area was completely destroyed .

I heard from another person certain insurance companies are slowly backing away from offering people insurance there anymore .

Its more or less the same in this country these days , if your house is in a flood zone , you wont ever get coverage .
Were a country of small villages in low lying areas , as villages become towns they tend to run up the sides of the hill or valley eitherside , then drainage becomes an issue ,

In the previous place I lived for 40 years it was on an eastury , at spring tide it would only ocassionally flood the road and centre of the village , in later years as the local population went from around 2000 to 20,000 ,and surface water from thousands of acres of concrete came in play ,water levels rose signifigantly in the eastury to the point now where houses are under threat because their garden are around level with a spring tide , thats only a couple of days a month ,
but it means the foundations are wet year round and gardens are turning into quagmires .

Bad town planning is destined to come back and bite us on the arse .
Luckily my new place is up around 20 feet from the river and flood plane .

 

[scott2000]

I heard from another person certain insurance companies are slowly backing away from offering people insurance there anymore .

Yeah....we've also had problems in recent past with these roofing companies going around and convincing homeowners to file claims on their roofs. Even the solar companies that try to sell you a setup are in on it with their own guys. Everyone on my street apart from me and maybe 1 or two others have gotten new roofs installed for free over the last couple of years. Well, the deductible needs to be paid but these companies finagle that into the costs sometimes. Mind you these are roofs near the end of their life anyway.
It's really exacerbated the problem. Even for people trying to buy a home. If it doesn't have a newish roof, they can't get insurance.... so that comes into play on the cost of the home and can make or break someone's bank approval.

 

[JohnRoberts]

The flood insurance issue has been slowly getting worse for years. While politicians would love to blame it on climate change I blame general inflation, wage/raw material inflation, rising interest rates, etc. Government subsidized flood insurance can be a perverse incentive, encouraging investment in dodgy properties.

We are clearly in this year's hurricane season so I expect more climate change headlines, until winter comes and its covid covid covid....

JR

PS; For chuckles I just looked at the 100 years flood plain map for my address and I'm on dry ground. Just across the street from me could get damp feet.

 

[user 41968]

https://www.zerohedge.com/weather/c...te-anxiety-despite-scientist-say-no-emergency

Bloomberg data shows temperature across the Lower 48 versus a 30-year mean didn't deviate excessively higher than the norm -- clearly a different story than what was pitched by corporate media and climate alarmists. In fact, temperatures have been sliding across the country since early August.

 

[user 41968]

54 years ago at Woodstock:

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Was the 2023 Burning Man Festival also cloud-seeded to advance climate change hysteria among the lefties in attendance?

We "conspiracy theorists" would like to know. "What's going on here?" "People of unknown origin" and all that...

https://www.zerohedge.com/markets/m...g-man-73-trapped-toxic-lake-bed-nevada-desert

Food and fuel are running low for the tens of thousands of attendees (and tech bros) trapped at the Burning Man festival located in one of the harshest environments on earth (high desert, on a dried-up alkaline lake bed) in the Black Rock Desert in Nevada. The situation deteriorated early Saturday when a rainstorm drenched the lake bed, transforming the area into a 'mudpocalypse.'

 

[fazer]

I just saw the burning man mud video on YouTube. Glad I did not go this year.

 

[crazydoc]

This rain was predicted a week ago - I live just to the west and have had 1 1/2" so far.

"We "conspiracy theorists" would like to know. "What's going on here?" "People of unknown origin" and all that..."

From the first link: "More footage of the geniuses who decided to party in a toxic dry lakebed only to find out it occasionally rains in the desert."

Or maybe conspiracy theorists are just looney tunes.

 

[scott2000]

I just saw the burning man mud video on YouTube. Glad I did not go this year.

Wow ...fazer a burner?

 

[fazer]

No not a burner. I got an RV this year and talked to my wife about going as a bucket list thing. She said no and so some buddies of mine wanted to go. My daughter had a baby boy on the first of September and so stayed home for that. Anyway I’ve never been. Just one of those things I thought about. Have you been Scott?

 

[JohnRoberts]

I stayed home from burning man this year.... and every other year.

JR

PS: Just to be consistent I stayed in our apartment in Boston when my roomate went to woodstock.

 

[scott2000]

Have you been Scott?

I haven't. Past life and experiencing it vicariously through some videos has been good enough for me it appears.
I had to go downtown the other weekend to pick my stranded son up and guess I'm getting old . It was borderline terrifying even being in that mix again.

 

[jabe]

To my non-surprise, neither the chart itself nor the "Bloomberg data" is claims to be based upon is sourced in any way. It was apparently just slapped together with the (correct) assumption the ZH audience wouldn't bother to question anything that confirms their bias.

clearly a different story than what was pitched by corporate media

The article then goes on to cite a declaration from Global Climate Intelligence Group (CLINTEL), which is funded by... corporate interests. So corporate media bad, but direct corporate propaganda good, I guess.

 

[JohnRoberts]

This morning I finished reading another chapter from Lomborg's "Best Things First" book. This chapter described a way to reduce fraud and inefficiency in government spending by using e-procurement. Apparently using open public bids and purchase contracts reduced fraud and waste. There are initial costs costs associated with setting up an e-procurement system, and resistance from established bureaucracy. Payback from reduced fraud and inefficiency ranged from 15x to >300x in the handful of example countries that already implemented this.

The US is a laggard to adopt e-procurement but one of the biggest spenders in the world, so lots of potential savings that could be better employed elsewhere.

JR

 

[cyrano]

Do you really think going for the cheapest option is the way to go?

I've had a recent IT case where our govt went for the cheapest offer; the company that made the offer was recently taken over by a big fish. It went belly up during the project. Now the big fish is "fixing" the abandoned project. I can already estimate it'll cost about 25 times that cheapest offer. Going through the entire procedure would take too long.

The administration knew that and warned for it repeatedly. But the politics decided to "follow the law". Yeah, right. Several of the right-wing politicians are related to members of the board of directors of the big fish.

I sincerely doubt that changing to an open e-procurement system will change anything.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Do you really think going for the cheapest option is the way to go?

I surely didn't say that, and neither did Lomborg.

The savings are documented from multiple countries who adopted the system years ago. Of course vendors still need to be qualified and vetted.

https://www.copenhagenconsensus.com...ment-goals-2016-2030/e-government-procurement

here's a link to more details (or you could read the book). His website is a mess, it took me a while to find this page, and my browser warns me the certificate is not in his name.

I've had a recent IT case where our govt went for the cheapest offer; the company that made the offer was recently taken over by a big fish. It went belly up during the project. Now the big fish is "fixing" the abandoned project. I can already estimate it'll cost about 25 times that cheapest offer. Going through the entire procedure would take too long.

The administration knew that and warned for it repeatedly. But the politics decided to "follow the law". Yeah, right. Several of the right-wing politicians are related to members of the board of directors of the big fish.

I sincerely doubt that changing to an open e-procurement system will change anything.

If we allow the big spenders to continue their grift, it will never change. I expect this to be harder in the big wealthy countries than poor ones, while the initial investment is a higher hurdle for poor countries, corruption is everywhere.

JR