smallbutfine
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hmmm, seems the fader and microcontroller stuff that is critical in this kind of project, pulled the enthusiasm off.
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DIY automation Ider
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Skylar
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Just reporting back...
I sent a request for quote to Song-Huei in August '09.
They were in the process of preparing a quote, but I never received it.
I pinged them yesterday, and finally got the quote.
500 x SL10072M = $16 each.
http://www.song-huei.com.tw/product.php?mode=show&cid=59&pid=418
From what they have told me, these are nearly identical to the TKD MVH2-1101 A10K-10V faders that cost $77.68/ea from a UK distributor I found.
http://www.tkd-corp.com/02_products/pdf/p02_mva2-6101.pdf
Song-Huei manufactures these for TKD, but will not sell these part numbers to 3rd parties.
Minimum order quantity is normally 1000, but they said that 500 is okay.
I sent a request for quote to Song-Huei in August '09.
They were in the process of preparing a quote, but I never received it.
I pinged them yesterday, and finally got the quote.
500 x SL10072M = $16 each.
http://www.song-huei.com.tw/product.php?mode=show&cid=59&pid=418
From what they have told me, these are nearly identical to the TKD MVH2-1101 A10K-10V faders that cost $77.68/ea from a UK distributor I found.
http://www.tkd-corp.com/02_products/pdf/p02_mva2-6101.pdf
Song-Huei manufactures these for TKD, but will not sell these part numbers to 3rd parties.
Minimum order quantity is normally 1000, but they said that 500 is okay.
ChuckD
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Skylar
Let me know if you guys are thinking of putting a buy together for these. I would like them for my PM1000 32 channel board. So probably 32 + 4 + a few spares.
Thanks
Chuck
Let me know if you guys are thinking of putting a buy together for these. I would like them for my PM1000 32 channel board. So probably 32 + 4 + a few spares.
Thanks
Chuck
Hi boys !!! : I've got an idea for this proyect and here it is : Why not to use an motormix or the mackie controler and remove the faders on it and replace the fader vca and put an analog one ? Or replace the entire vca fader with a Normal motorized fader. Then all you got to do is patch the audio in/out for each fader and connect it to your analog console as a regular fader . Are you following me ?
That way you already have the interfase with protools without to many changes.
The other thing you can do is to buy moving fader , there's a cheap model that come in one box with all the in/out and mute functions.
You will need a old pc running on D.O.S. only and voila !!!! There're 8 and 16 chs versions.
CHEERS !!!
PEDRO.
That way you already have the interfase with protools without to many changes.
The other thing you can do is to buy moving fader , there's a cheap model that come in one box with all the in/out and mute functions.
You will need a old pc running on D.O.S. only and voila !!!! There're 8 and 16 chs versions.
CHEERS !!!
PEDRO.
Skylar
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It's not likely that you could simply swap these faders into a Mackie or MotorMix, etc.
The software would have to change to accommodate the differences in the response, resistance value, etc.
See Silent Arts' previous posts in this thread.
Furthermore, in order to run audio through the fader AND send/receive automation, the fader needs two resistive tracks.
Preferably one linear (for automation) and the other log (for audio).
Worst case, you could use a stereo log fader and calibrate the software to deal with the non-linear response of the Channel 1 track for automation. The remaining Channel 2 track would pass the audio signal as usual.
The quoted fader is a single linear track if I recall correctly.
They told me they may be able to offer a dual log, but not a linear+log.
The software would have to change to accommodate the differences in the response, resistance value, etc.
See Silent Arts' previous posts in this thread.
Furthermore, in order to run audio through the fader AND send/receive automation, the fader needs two resistive tracks.
Preferably one linear (for automation) and the other log (for audio).
Worst case, you could use a stereo log fader and calibrate the software to deal with the non-linear response of the Channel 1 track for automation. The remaining Channel 2 track would pass the audio signal as usual.
The quoted fader is a single linear track if I recall correctly.
They told me they may be able to offer a dual log, but not a linear+log.
ChuckD
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Skylar,
Oh I did not realize that. I thought this was a suggested fader for adding automation to an existing Console.
Wasn't that really the true subject of this thread? To add automation to already existing consoles?
Not just to build a controller.
Chuck
Oh I did not realize that. I thought this was a suggested fader for adding automation to an existing Console.
Wasn't that really the true subject of this thread? To add automation to already existing consoles?
Not just to build a controller.
Chuck
i didn't yet open a motormix or mackie hui control unit , but i have experience on motorized faders , i've opened a moving faders box and took them away and put then in a fader console. The idea is to replace the vca track of the fader( in motor mix ) and put a track that can pass audio thru it.
Do you have opened an motormix or any hui controller ? So you can tell how the fader works ?
thanks.
Do you have opened an motormix or any hui controller ? So you can tell how the fader works ?
thanks.
Skylar
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Chuck,
You're right. I think the concept is to add automation to an existing console by swapping the single-track audio faders with dual-track audio+linear motorfaders and fitting the "brains" of the control surface into your console.
I was also considering the reverse, as Pedro suggested, which would be adding audio to an existing control surface simply by swapping out the single-track linear motorfaders with dual-track audio+linear motorfaders (or dual-track linear+linear for VCA).
So, when I asked for the quote from Song-Huei, I wanted either a dual audio or dual audio+linear.
They quoted me on the wrong fader (single-track audio-taper).
I already wrote them back asking for a quote on some with two tracks, so we'll see what they come back with.
But $16 is a step in the right direction considering what other MotorFaders cost.
Now, as I was saying before, I don't think you can just swap out the motorfaders on an existing control surface such as the Mackie Control or MotorMix.
This is because the software running on the microcontroller inside these boxes is tuned to the response characteristics & resistance value of a specific brand and model of fader.
If you try to put a different fader in there, you will not get predictable results...unless the embedded software has some kind of auto-calibration routine.
Also, think about the motor voltage and current requirements as well as the H-bridges that are driving the motors...every motorfader will likely have different requirements (at least as far as I have seen)
If you go back through this thread, you will find posts by [silent:arts] reporting his own experiences with trying to swap out faders of existing Moving Fader systems.
Maybe Volker can chime in here again?
You're right. I think the concept is to add automation to an existing console by swapping the single-track audio faders with dual-track audio+linear motorfaders and fitting the "brains" of the control surface into your console.
I was also considering the reverse, as Pedro suggested, which would be adding audio to an existing control surface simply by swapping out the single-track linear motorfaders with dual-track audio+linear motorfaders (or dual-track linear+linear for VCA).
So, when I asked for the quote from Song-Huei, I wanted either a dual audio or dual audio+linear.
They quoted me on the wrong fader (single-track audio-taper).
I already wrote them back asking for a quote on some with two tracks, so we'll see what they come back with.
But $16 is a step in the right direction considering what other MotorFaders cost.
Now, as I was saying before, I don't think you can just swap out the motorfaders on an existing control surface such as the Mackie Control or MotorMix.
This is because the software running on the microcontroller inside these boxes is tuned to the response characteristics & resistance value of a specific brand and model of fader.
If you try to put a different fader in there, you will not get predictable results...unless the embedded software has some kind of auto-calibration routine.
Also, think about the motor voltage and current requirements as well as the H-bridges that are driving the motors...every motorfader will likely have different requirements (at least as far as I have seen)
If you go back through this thread, you will find posts by [silent:arts] reporting his own experiences with trying to swap out faders of existing Moving Fader systems.
Maybe Volker can chime in here again?
Skylar
Well-known member
Just got a reply back from Song-Huei.
They do not make a dual-track motorfader.
So, the only other options I know of are Alps or P+G if you want to control automation AND pass audio.
They do not make a dual-track motorfader.
So, the only other options I know of are Alps or P+G if you want to control automation AND pass audio.
smallbutfine
Well-known member
ouch.
This brings prices up to a much higher level again .
This brings prices up to a much higher level again .
SNG
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Does anyone know where I can get these dual-track motorfaders of ALPS?Skylar said:
qweetz
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hi Jim , I found this topic on a google search.
i use max msp and arduino. ive managed to trigger relays and lights etc from maxmsp using OSC open sound control. using a maxpatch called maxuino.
so i am interested in this subject also.
how far did you get ?
have you seen the max+arduino + motorised fader video on youtube?
qweet. : )
i use max msp and arduino. ive managed to trigger relays and lights etc from maxmsp using OSC open sound control. using a maxpatch called maxuino.
so i am interested in this subject also.
how far did you get ?
have you seen the max+arduino + motorised fader video on youtube?
qweet. : )
user 37518
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Hey guys i was thinking, what about a system like Mackie Ultramix which doesnt have motorized faders, but uses VCA's, if we could find a way, in which we remove the mackie VCAs and wire the console VCA faders to the ultramix, we could have an automation system that uses the console VCA's. And perhaps we could do the same thing with the Faders, meaning replacing the faders in the ultramix pilot and wire them to the console faders, kinda like the old and almost impossible to find CAD megamix....
pask
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Hey there,
Any update on this one?
Any update on this one?
