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The use of EMI filtering does help getting rid of HF hash, common mode chokes, RF caps etc.
As switching freq usually 250KHz and up, and levels not so high, and coupling between heater and cathode not very strong so maybe not a problem.
 
So if this supply is used, it’s just a straight parallel connection directly from this DC output? The convenience of it being regulated is nice, so that there’s no concern about voltage running high from being under loaded as just discussed.
Exactly
I have been meaning to look into linear DC supplies too. I worry about switching noise. I’ve used a lot of meanwell supplies for different things, but never in the context of tubes or in the context of so much gain. But I suppose it’s easier to tame than a 60Hz frequency that cannot be “filtered” so to speak.
DC heaters definitely leads to a quieter mixer. I am happy to admit that I took some persuading to move from linear dc heater supplies to switched mode ones and there are plenty of cheap noisy 12V SMPS available. Then I stumbled on the Meanwell LRS series and I have not looked back since. The most recent tube mixer I completed had 18 tubes with the heaters powered by a MeanWell LRS-75-12 without any additional filtering.

Cheers,

ian
 
DC heaters are nice. You can’t run directly heated tubes that way, but otherwise it’s a fine idea with definite benefits. I did get one DHT amp in once that had the 300B heaters run from a 40kHz oscillator and SS power amp through an interesting handmade toroidal transformer to give them a center tap ground. I guess if you really really don’t want any 60Hz in there, that’s one approach.

Meanwells are ok, but I have had some longevity issues. Nobody really builds switchers to last. They build them to be cheap and efficient. They are cost effective and readily available, though. If you’re only using half capacity except for turn on, they might keep going longer. Regardless, in ten years there will doubtless be something that would do the trick in a similar if not smaller package. Where I run into problems are manufacturers that have multiple output switchers go bad. If you’re using standard voltage single output units, there will always be something to replace it with.
 
With said Meanwell 8.5A SMPS supplying 12V to these 22 tubes in basic/parallel hookup, up to 3 tubes per star leg, what gauge wire are we talking?
 
I would suggest as Ian did the Meanwell power supplies - I have used these for various applications and they’ve proved reliable and very quiet. Both the LRS & MSP series are adjustable - LRS from 10.2 - 13.8V, the MSP from 11.4 - 13.8V. The MSP is designed for medical use and has slightly better load regulation and leakage current. For 20 tubes @ 0.15A ea it’s 37.8W, for 24 it’s 45.36W so for that load I’d at least use a 75W or 100W supply - there are no fans on these as they’re convection cooled and using a higher wattage supply keeps the heat down. For additional filtering a 0.1uF cap could be added at each filament and using twisted wires for supply, star run to each group of filaments. Wire gauge you can work out from maybe here:
https://www.powerstream.com/Wire_Size.htm
Use a heavier (lower) gauge than required.
Using in parallel means if a tube filament blows you don’t get a set of tubes dropping out and not knowing which one to replace. Also each tube can get exactly 12.6V - there is a trimmer on the supply to adjust the output voltage which you do under full load, whereas in series/parallel across a 50V supply then you will get slightly differing voltages across each filament.
 
I’ve been playing around with tubes for a few decades and have seen a few tube failures, but am still waiting on my first heater failure

With that in mind, i might not be *terribly* reluctant to run series pairs or banks of up to four (as suggested above) even if not ideal
 
I get quite a few tube heater failures with amps that are mounted in the speaker cabinets, like guitar and bass and Leslie - probably from the sonic vibration and also constant transporting, also amps can often get shifted around on stage while they’re going during setup and sound check.
Of course it’s only a quick check of all tube heater resistances in a series chain when there’s a failure, but it does mean pulling and checking each tube instead of the eyeball 👁️
 
Bunch of Meanwell supplies I used for a Neve desk linear supply replacement - the desk originally had two monster heavy, hot and noisy supplies so I replaced those with two sets of independent supplies mounted in sliding rack drawers with a 6.8dBA 120mm fan in each drawer for cooling:
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Each supply is offset to allow access to the voltage adjust trimmer - voltage measured at the console power rails as the supply lines are about 8 metres long. DC cabling multicore has each pair individually shielded
 
Over dimensioning SPMS' is a good idea, using 50% of rated power gives less thermal load, longer life etc.
Meanwell makes good parts, prices very reasonable.
Pretty much buy, install, forget.
With said Meanwell 8.5A SMPS supplying 12V to these 22 tubes in basic/parallel hookup, up to 3 tubes per star leg, what gauge wire are we talking?
I generally use 20AWG but in my mixers the heaters are bussed along a backplane PCB with the heaters fed to the centre. It is a double sided PCB. I use 0.1 inch wide 1 oz. copper tracks on both sides for each of the heater voltages.

Cheers

Ian
 
20AWG is more than sufficient for runs to 3 or 4 tubes at a time. For a single run to all tubes you would need a smaller gauge (larger wire) to start, diminishing as you travel down the line - not so easy to calculate gauges. I used to use brazing rods for open air construction common point connections like filaments in guitar amp builds, cutting and bending them to fit each tube location with soft sleeving over each rod. No worry about gauge there.
 
I generally use 20AWG but in my mixers the heaters are bussed along a backplane PCB with the heaters fed to the centre. It is a double sided PCB. I use 0.1 inch wide 1 oz. copper tracks on both sides for each of the heater voltages.

Cheers

Ian
Ok thanks that’s great info. It will be overkill, but I’m thinking maybe I’ll go with 18 AWG running through each channel (2-3 tubes), and then they’ll all meet at some kind of soldered common point for the Meanwell DC to enter, and that I’ll keep the Meanwell brick a few feet away behind the console, and that this wire pair will be more like 14 AWG. I could probably get away with bumping those up to 20 AWG and 16 AWG respectively, but i want to be sure that inrush is never an issue.
 
Note that the MSP series has current limit protection which can prevent it successfully powering up tube filaments. The LRS series uses hiccup mode protection which will power up cold tube filaments.

Cheers

Ian
Ah, thanks for spotting that. Was otherwise going to go with the medical one.

As for distance of supplies from the console, how far is too far? I have 600V 16 AWG wiring i use for HT leads which seems to work great in other projects, and then will have the just mentioned 14 AWG wiring (shielded one end) for Meanwell. Is 6-8 feet too long for either of those runs?
 
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