I'm Out... (changed)

[rob_gould]

ps. No name calling here heh?  Weren't we just called crybabies for admitting this kind of thing affects us emotionally?

Have another look at his post. 

 

[Bo Deadly]

ps. No name calling here heh?  Weren't we just called crybabies for admitting this kind of thing affects us emotionally?

I called the people who declared "I'm out" to be cry-babies which is pretty much the opposite of what you characterize. And not only that but you were one of the people who said "I'm out too" so in effect I was telling people, including you, not to leave over something so stupid.

So you say "I'm out" and yet you're back so soon. You just have to have that femtolitre of endorphins to get a reaction out of someone.

 

[living sounds]

As for the whole crybaby thing:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/daily-show-supercut-fox-news-hypocrisy-2016-2020_n_5ff987d8c5b63642b6fc06d7

 

[scott2000]

Holy moly...lol

I just looked back to 2008 and read the same kind of stuff more or less.....kinda the same people too....freaky....

Pretty cool reading stuff from Larrchild and bcarso....

Larrchild posted this...Thought it was  interesting .. Guess some things change and some things not as much...

https://web.archive.org/web/20081023194134/http://www.salon.com/opinion/keillor/2008/10/22/abilene/

 

[crazydoc]

I don't get it either. In my mind, given the circumstances, we are having civil discussions here.

This was shared to one of my favourite political blogs. It puts things into a perspective I share:

https://www.electoral-vote.com/evp2021/Pres/Maps/Jan10.html

Great site and great read - thanks.

From the same place, which expresses my own thoughts:

Having tried to reason with my relatives for years, I can tell you there is no better option than to cut off that which is gangrene—for me and my family, that means hard boundaries about our relationship. There is a right and wrong. There is no reasoning to be had with those who live in a twisted despot universe, so I only speak with them when I can wish them happy birthday, merry Christmas, or check in on their health and well being. For Trump and his enablers and partners, the boundaries need to be clearly drawn as well—only stricter and more severe; there must be swift expulsion and denouncement of Trump and his enablers/partners. No amount of "lessons to learn" will change their course—there must be a line by which they can no longer cross. And we have reached the point whereby they must be permanently removed.

I can put up with morons - even morons who insist they're right when wrong. But I can't put up with morons whose unfounded beliefs do irreparable damage to the whole of society, as the pandemic deniers and stolen electioners do - I have only contempt for them. I can't have any dealings with them unless it's purely mechanical, as the post office clerk who won't wear a mask because she's a free  'Murican.

 

[iturnknobs]

I've also been pushing for the political discussion to be banned.

I'm not opposed. Just one more place the right-wing conspiracy theorists CANNOT push their agenda.

 

[Matador]

Internet politics...A strange game.  The only winning move is not to play.  ;D

If you are tired of arguing with people on the internet, invest your time in making sure you get more voters you agree with out to the polls than the person you are arguing with.  It's a strategy that works every time.

 

[boji]

Just one more place the right-wing conspiracy theorists CANNOT push their agenda.

I'm almost certain the exact opposite effect is occurring, at least around here. Besides, can't know the attitude or actions of a person once they've been run out of a public space. To presume they will show up elsewhere less polarized, or less against an agenda makes no sense.

We used to use the brewery for pulling each other up, checking-in during bad storms, sharing oddball ideas and things we run across. Interests and mutual appreciations. In the Brewery we used to argue about philosophy, religion, lawn mowing and tree pruning techniques. But now it's all mouse traps and stiff-necked political posts. Worse, people presume to know who other people are because they happen to argue for a side. The vibe is anti-openness, anti-experimentation. Can't make any mistakes of thought around here anymore! This is the new brewery, and a handful of people are directly responsible for it.

We could change it for the better if we wanted it to have a future. People could start asking questions like it was more important to be good than right.

 

[hodad]

One would hope that when something like Wednesday happens, that the scales would start to fall from the eyes of at least some Trump supporters--both those in Washington and the ones all around the country.  One would hope that, rather than pumping out rumors and complete falsehoods, conservative news outlets would reflect on the actual events of the day and what brought us (and particularly the Republican party) to this moment.  One would like to think that Republican legislators, after having to hole up in rooms as a crazed Republican mob, ginned up by the leader of their own party, tried to gain access, would see that now is the time to retreat from the brink to which Trump has pushed their party.  One would like to think that there'd be more Republicans with intelligence and insight who had enough courage to say out loud that it's time for Trump to give it a rest and go gently into that good night (yes, there are a few, but still...) instead of attacking the Trump-appointed justices, a batch chosen precisely for their unflinching conservatism, for showing more respect for the law than fealty to Trump. 

But I don't expect any of that.  What I see instead is a party that's split between crazy true believers, and a less crazy wing that at least partially recognizes the problem, but its members are either too craven to stand up to the crazies and to admit their role in creating the problem, or they're simply unwilling to let go of this mob, no matter how unruly and insane, because of the power they bring to the party. 

Trump knows how to exploit a wing of the party that has devolved from Tea-Party wacky to QAnon crazy.  He's played them like a cheap violin, and saner Republicans have gone along because of the power it brings them as they pursue their own agendas.  And if I could be allowed one stereotype, Republicans as a class are almost incapable of admitting they're wrong.  And party discipline has a tendency to push out those who entertain self-doubt, or who might occasionally concede that the other guys might have a point (see Jim Jeffords and Arlen Specter, as well as all the Republicans who were primaried from the right because they weren't "loyal" enough).  So, yeah, I don't ever really expect Republicans to acknowledge error. 

**You know, I get bothsidesism and whataboutism.  It's nice to say, "But the other guy does it too!"  Pointing out hypocrisy can actually be helpful at times if parties are willing to learn and grow.  But using bothsidesism to avoid culpability for something as significant as what happened Wednesday is weak and cowardly.  That was clearly a Republican mess on display, something that was years in the making, and it's time for Republicans to stand up, take responsibility, and start cleaning up their own house.  They've pushed American govt. to the brink of fascism; many of them realize this, and it's time to admit mistakes and start picking up the broken dishes and putting the furniture back in place. 


I'm typing this more in sorrow than in anger--I'll probably bow out for a while too--at this point the folks still supporting the Trump disaster won't be changed by me or anyone else they see as opposing them--they'll only change through growing awareness/self-awarenes from themselves and other likeminded folks.  In the end, Democrats  or liberals can't fix what's wrong with the Republican party (aside from voting them out of office); that falls squarely on Republicans.