Jury duty and involuntary servitude
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Brian Roth
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Hey Pucho....I''ll see what I can do. I made a huge mistake registering to vote when I moved here. Shoulda just been anon.
Bri
Bri
Brian Roth
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It's sad that registering to vote made me a target.
AnalogPackrat
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Which means you're pretty wealthy. And of course a bad jury can overcome lawyering.
Not just the rich getting off light.
https://fox5sandiego.com/news/local...y-to-single-count-of-making-criminal-threats/
Contempt of court threats are unfortunately needed when so many citizens simply shirk their civic duty. How can the legal system function without juries?
Brian Roth
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How the hell am I "magically" a Guru that might decide whether someone sits in jail for decades ...or worst case....put poison in the veins that kills that person at the prison??
Bri
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Brian Roth
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I am not worthy.
I have shared this anecdote before...
I recall back in the 70s when a childhood friend of mine was arrested and charged with armed robbery of a jewelry store. I was questioned as a prospective witness for him, but I was living in CT at the time and he lived in NJ. I had visited him briefly during that Christmas holiday break but had nothing beneficial to testify about other than his character.
The store was ripped off by organized criminals and the store owner was afraid to tell the truth so fingered my friend from a police line up, because he had long hair and a beard and looked like a good scapegoat to pin this crime on.
Long story short my childhood friend survived the incident and the store owner finally admitted his false identification. Luckily for my friend he had resources and could afford competent legal representation despite looking like he couldn't.
Jury duty, like voting is a civil responsibility. I have never heard of someone arrested for not performing jury duty, but judges demand respect so be careful about what you say to the judge in court.
JR
PS: IMO there is worthwhile discussion topic about modern criminal prosecution practices. The news is full of stories about criminals released without charges after being arrested for sundry "real" crimes.
Matador
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A professor I had in college said if you want to get out of jury duty, just show up wearing something that will get you eliminated during voir dire. He had a leather motorcycle jacket, a red bandana, and a pair of cut up jeans. He showed a photo, and it looked like he was out on bail from a gang. He was always excused even before the questionnaires were issued. 
way to set a good example of citizenship for modern youth......A professor I had in college said if you want to get out of jury duty, just show up wearing something that will get you eliminated during voir dire. He had a leather motorcycle jacket, a red bandana, and a pair of cut up jeans. He showed a photo, and it looked like he was out on bail from a gang. He was always excused even before the questionnaires were issued.
Why am I not surprised?JR
Brian Roth
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OK...I doubt my crapola will get me off of jury duty. OTOH, unless it was Mom (RIP) I would have a tough time sending someone to the death chamber.
Bri
Bri
You are not... a 12 person jury shares the responsibility of deciding a defendant's guilt or innocence as a group.
I recall being the one contrary jury member in deciding a drug possession case. After several hours I acquiesced to the majority opinion.
A couple weeks later I was stopped for speeding by one of the arresting officers in the court case. I asked him for the rest of that story. The miscreant was guilty as hell and incriminating evidence was excluded by a clever defense lawyer.
JR
AnalogPackrat
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If you'd served on a jury or even heard the initial informational talk all judges give the jury pool prior to the selection process you would understand what it's all about. Guarantee of a trial by a "jury of your peers" is foundational to our justice system. Responsibility is part of being an adult.
If you end up on a murder trial and have qualms about the death penalty, that question will be asked of you if you're selected as a prospective juror. My last jury service was on a complex murder and attempted murder trial with additional conspiracy and gun charges. There were three defendants and three victims (one dead). It was not fun, but someone has to do it if we expect our system to work. Why do you think others should have to be responsible while you get a pass?
They should just get rid of the entire legal system , no cops no lawyers, no judges, every man for himself just like the good ol days.
Somebody hits on your gal, out to the streets we go for a sudden death playoff.
Hell if somebody ripped off Kit Carson's horse while he was sleeping he would hunt em down and take their scalps in the middle of the night along with all their horses, women, food, firewater, cocaine, peyote, mescaline, refer and the peace pipe. This was just a few short years ago I might add. And they named a highway and a mountain pass after him.
Jus sayin, wtf?
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Somebody hits on your gal, out to the streets we go for a sudden death playoff.
Hell if somebody ripped off Kit Carson's horse while he was sleeping he would hunt em down and take their scalps in the middle of the night along with all their horses, women, food, firewater, cocaine, peyote, mescaline, refer and the peace pipe. This was just a few short years ago I might add. And they named a highway and a mountain pass after him.
Jus sayin, wtf?
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Brian, just take an empty Gatorade bottle into the courthouse.
AnalogPackrat
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Motor-voter law, most likely.
john12ax7
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Just tell the court you are a highly rational person who depends on logic and reason. You will be excused.
my brother got excused on a prostitution case,
he said "i have nothing against this poor gal trying to make a living, if you were smart you would just make it legal so you can collect taxes...:
he said "i have nothing against this poor gal trying to make a living, if you were smart you would just make it legal so you can collect taxes...:
pucho812
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I get jury summons like clock work.
I usually get picked. I don’t mind the 15 bucks a day.
Sometimes the cases can be interesting.
For example I was juror on a case where the defendant was guilty of felony assault and battery based on evidence presented in court, there was one piece of evidence that if corroborated would have made it self defense but no witness could confirm the words “I’m going to kill you” that the defendant claimed was said to him.
To make matters worse after turning in a verdict, the defense did a last ditch effort by polling the jurors. One by one we were asked do we agree with the verdict turned in. This is to see if people were forced into a giving verdict or anything that would be grounds for mistrial. Sure enough one juror starts crying in court how they felt one way but now feel different. The judge has us go back and try again. At the same time we visit the judge one by one in his chambers so he can ask what went on in the juror room. So I told him how the crying juror ignored his instructions on how to determine a verdict. After 2 extra days a Hung jury, we couldn’t agree and the defendant walked. Because no verdict was reached they could do another trial but might not be worth it to the d.a.
I usually get picked. I don’t mind the 15 bucks a day.
Sometimes the cases can be interesting.
For example I was juror on a case where the defendant was guilty of felony assault and battery based on evidence presented in court, there was one piece of evidence that if corroborated would have made it self defense but no witness could confirm the words “I’m going to kill you” that the defendant claimed was said to him.
To make matters worse after turning in a verdict, the defense did a last ditch effort by polling the jurors. One by one we were asked do we agree with the verdict turned in. This is to see if people were forced into a giving verdict or anything that would be grounds for mistrial. Sure enough one juror starts crying in court how they felt one way but now feel different. The judge has us go back and try again. At the same time we visit the judge one by one in his chambers so he can ask what went on in the juror room. So I told him how the crying juror ignored his instructions on how to determine a verdict. After 2 extra days a Hung jury, we couldn’t agree and the defendant walked. Because no verdict was reached they could do another trial but might not be worth it to the d.a.
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