Yes, will get a USB measuring mic and REW and do my best to achieve good results.
Adam, you got of very good free avise in this thread.
The very first thing I will suggest again is that you download vituixcad and learn to use it.
It is a tool that can help you to see if things you want to do have a chance of working.
A simulator does guarantee results, but it a good way to show you what will not work and allow you to iterate rapidly.
Now Ulli quipped:
30% sound quality is done by the speaker itself, 70% depend on room issues.
I will rephrase that as: "30% or less of what you hear is ON-AXIS Response, 70% is OFF-AXIS response (which some people mistake for problems caused by the room, when it is in fact poor design of the speaker)"
I saw you re-evaluated setup...
Now I have rethought my initial idea, and will likely be doing something like this:
This now seems a bit more realistic.
Midrange Driver: Handles frequencies from 350 Hz to 3500 Hz. This is a critical range for both music and voices, containing most of the fundamental frequencies of orchestral instruments and the human voice. A 4" or 5" midrange driver would be ideal for this range. Cutoff is above the highest note of the tenor voice and the highest note of the soprano voice. It's also within the range of frequencies where the ear is particularly sensitive (around 2000-5000 Hz). Here will also ideally be a 3db dip switch for around 3-4khz, to account for HRTF directionality, now with the crossover being where it is, this may be impossible, and I will have to find another way to mitigate this problem.
Not a bad idea.
There are a number of 4" drivers that offer wide bandwidth.
Normally it is considered that the "formant range" of music (what makes the "tone" of instruments) covers ~ 200Hz to ~ 5kHz.
A good 4" driver, perhaps used in multiples, is capable of covering this range.
A favourite Sound Reinforcement speaker of mine used something like that. A vertical array of 4 pcs 4" drivers with a HF driver in the center. Plus a 15" Woofer all arranged semi-coaxial.
The Geithain RL901k (one of the absolute best studio monitors bar non) uses a single 5" and Tweeter:
musikelectronic geithain gmbh - RL 901K
This uses crossover points of 550Hz & 2.8kHz. I'd like it a bit wider on the "midrange, but we are all getting into a 200 - 550Hz and 2.8 - 5kHz range of bandwidth.
It should be noted that the active crossover in the MEG RL901k is time-compensated, the system is equalised and it is all done in the analogue domain.
Tweeter (High Frequency Driver): Handles frequencies from 3500 Hz up to around 40,000 Hz. This range includes the highest notes of the piccolo and violin, as well as the harmonics of lower-pitched instruments and voices. A 1" dome tweeter would be a liekly choice for this range.
I would suggest that if you are able to push up the crossover point to the HF driver, using a 20mm ring radiator HF driver is a better choice. In fact, I think all ring radiators are better than domes.
Keep the distance between Mid & HF minimal, 7cm is the wavelength of a 5kHz sound wave.
Consider making a so called MTM (or d'Appolito) array, this gives symmetrical vertical sound radiation and provides some vertical pattern control.
This CANNOT be successfully be used with an even order crossover - you need a 3rd order ACOUSTIC or even better, a 3rd order acoustic highpass on the HF unit which incorporates the natural 2nd order highpass behaviour of the driver and a first order lowpass on the MF.
You may find the results preferable to a 4th order LR...
Another thing to consider is to get a coaxial Mid/Hf system. Seas have an option:
H1699-08/06 MR18REX/XF
A coaxial system gets around a lot of problems in the crossover region but often adds more problems.
A semi-coaxial system with the HF unit suspended before the midrange can reduce the issues from the interactions between cone and HF driver.
Everything is a compromise.
Woofer (Low-Mid Frequency Driver): Handles frequencies from 84.9 Hz to 350 Hz. This range includes the fundamental frequencies of many musical instruments and the lower range of male voices. A 6.5" or 8" woofer would be suitable for this range. It's above the highest note of the bass voice and below the lowest note of the soprano voice. It's also below the "sweet spot" for orchestral music (around 500-600 Hz).
I would go with dual 8" or even as large as dual 12", making a WMTMW Array (turn vertical). This extends the control of the off-axis control to even lower frequencies.
Now, for my "next trick", let us for a moment consider that the "box" is a big problem.
What if we drop the box, make a plan baffle of a suitable width (swat analysis -> 60cm) and use an "acoustic sump" type device (say a pipe of diaphragm diameter filled with basotect foam) on the back of the drivers to and delay attenuate the rear radiation of bass & midrange.
This now gives an adjustable cardioid response from HF to LF and happens to reduce significantly any room interactions.
Another way to do a cardioid midrange is shown by Amphion, it uses a more "conventional" box shape.
- Subwoofer (Low Frequency Driver): Handles frequencies up to around 84.9 Hz. Given the long wavelengths of these low frequencies, a larger driver is needed to move the larger volumes of air. A 12" or 15" subwoofer would be good choices. The cutoff ensures that the entire bass vocal range is handled by the same driver, the woofer.
Now we can start considering the Sub. Our big panel, at 60cm width if using the right driver will be flat to ~ 120Hz (there is a bit more to it) and will then roll off very gently at less than 6dB/octave if our woofers have a Qt of 0.7 to the woofers open air or build in resonance.
This means a subwoofer will really only need to cover very low frequencies and can share a lot of load with or cardioid woofer, only taking over for very low frequencies.
I will still be using 4th-order-linkwitz riley, l-pad for the tweeter, zobel networks for impedance correction and some form of equalization for the bass. The enclosure for this will be more advanced than just a box, after having read more incl. what was available at linkwitzlab.
In your case it is impossible to get a 4th order acoustic response. Remember, with real drivers, the real acoustic slope matters, not the electrical crossover response.
BTW, There are other ways to make such a system as I described. One done for a customer used a pair of "Kilowatt" 12" drivers that had one driver placed in a sealed enclosure made from a concrete pipe standing up, with the driver on top and an open baffle shaped a bit like the Star Trek TNG communicator badge frontpart above that:
This baffle housed a 12" driver in normal orientation placed thus at < 7" distance between sealed and dipole driver and a so-called Manger transducer, an interesting driver in it's own right, that covers the audio range above 200Hz all the way to supersonic frequencies, around 8" diameter, with an acoustic sump behind it.
The wideband driver operated with a factory recommended passive highass and was driven by the customer "special" amplifier.
The bass section used DSP and four convection cooled (no fan's) Class AB Pro Audio amplifiers, bridged to give 1.6kW per driver.
The DSP was used to create a perfect cardioid response with 20dB rear output attenuation throughout the room's modal range and rolled out the dipole section below the modal frequency region of the room with the sealed boxed equalised to continue flat below 16Hz (8Hz cutoff) and the input signal was taken from the speaker level feed to the Wideband driver.
Compared to any conventional speaker - this system managed to transport the listener into the performance space and open a deep and wide window into the performance, in a way no conventional speaker I ever heard managed, excluding the RL901k that pulls a lot of the trick.
Anyway, take your idea, download Vituixcad and simulate it.
Your current idea is a lot more likely to be able to be made to work, you only need to get over the fixation on electric 4th order LR filters and you will have something interesting.
You could make something even more unusual and interesting, maybe time to go out and listen to some of the more interesting unusual speakers starting with the Geithain RL901k.
After you hear a wide mix of technologies from DSP/Digital Amp systems to passive and all inbetween, you might appreciate both what is possible with such systems and where the problems are.
Seriously, get out and listen and run some sim's before you spend money and start cutting wood.
Thor