The Vaccine

[JohnRoberts]

No different than reading a book. You're sounding a bit pretentious.

That's a new one and I am not consciously trying to impress anyone with that comment. I really do find it amusing when CNN suffers some blowback.

I'm old and cranky, and the cold wave coming through does not cheer me up.... but that is my personal problem, not yours.

HNY

JR

 

[fallout]

Happy New Year, John.

 

[fallout]

Does the narrative fall apart yet?

 

[hodad]

The narrative where a bunch of moronic anti-science conservatives sabotage a nation's attempt to deal responsibly and rationally with a pandemic? No, no, that narrative is still going strong.

 

[user 41968]

The narrative where a bunch of moronic anti-science conservatives sabotage a nation's attempt to deal responsibly and rationally with a pandemic? No, no, that narrative is still going strong.

You mean like Sweden?

 

[fallout]

The narrative where a bunch of moronic anti-science conservatives sabotage a nation's attempt to deal responsibly and rationally with a pandemic? No, no, that narrative is still going strong.

Brainwashed? I suppose you believe the rise in infections makes a case for mandates and boosters? LOOOOL

Or maybe you believe masks are working?

Or maybe you're saying that getting Covid shots are stopping the spread?

Eventually common sense needs to kick in. Hard to admit you've been fooled.

 

[JohnRoberts]

For actual news about vaccines they just approved pfizer vaccine booster for 12 YO and up. Unclear how benficial this is.

Media headlines are touting 1M new covid cases, but that sounds like a brown number, to scare folks.

JR

 

[fallout]

Media headlines are touting 1M new covid cases, but that sounds like a brown number, to scare folks.

Maybe a 'brown' number, as you call it but EVERYONE is catching Covid around here. Thankfully, it's just a stuffy nose and scratchy throat deal this round.

 

[crazydoc]

"The risk of breakthrough infections more than quintupled in December while the risk of breakthrough hospitalizations nearly doubled; unvaccinated NYers are still getting infected and hospitalized at more than 6x and 14x the rate, respectively, of vaccinated ones

Unvaccinated New Yorkers are being hospitalized at a rate of 30 per 100,000, while just 2.1 of every 100,000 vaccinated ones are experiencing symptoms that require hospitalizations."

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/cor...levels-as-omicron-drives-95-of-cases/3476250/
Deaths are a lagging factor - we'll see how that goes in the next month.

 

[fallout]

To put the NBC fear article posted above into perspective.

How many hospitalizations are because of Covid?

https://nypost.com/2022/01/03/hochul-orders-clearer-accounting-of-covid-cases-in-hospitals/

 

[hodad]

Or maybe you believe masks are working?

Masks certainly were effective for earlier variants. I've mentioned it here before, but compare Georgia (my state) to Ontario, Canada. Ontario is a bit larger in population, but close enough. Compare Covid rates over time for both locales. One is radically lower than the other. The radically lower one has a mask mandate and people follow it. Yes, Ontario has a few other measures in place that Georgia doesn't, but the primary difference I could see is that 99% of people in Ontario mask up in public. (Higher vaxx rates in Ontario also contribute, but the difference in case rates predates the vaccines. )

Masks don't work nearly as effectively if half the population doesn't wear them. Masks are likely less effective against Omicron, but if everybody put on a mask you'd certainly reduce spread.

There's plenty of evidence that masks reduce the spread of Covid. There's plenty of evidence--as crazydoc just cited, and has been mentioned countless times here--that vaccines reduce the incidence of hospitalization and death.

But you've never seemed to care about science or empirical data anyway. You have a pre-formed belief and dismiss anything that does not fit with it.

 

[crazydoc]

How many hospitalizations are because of Covid?

https://nypost.com/2022/01/03/hochul-orders-clearer-accounting-of-covid-cases-in-hospitals/

Definitely. I'd expect the absolute numbers to go down, but the ratio of unvaccinated to vaccinated to be about the same.

 

[fallout]

There's plenty of evidence that masks reduce the spread of Covid. There's plenty of evidence--as crazydoc just cited, and has been mentioned countless times here--that vaccines reduce the incidence of hospitalization and death.

I can see how a properly worn N95 can help but the way 99% of the population are using masks? I don't think so.

 

[fallout]

But you've never seemed to care about science or empirical data anyway. You have a pre-formed belief and dismiss anything that does not fit with it.

Is science suddenly about agreement? What's your views on Dr. Malone? Do you agree with him? I assume not.. Certainly the data he studies is empirical, no?

Covid vaccine effectiveness and safety is questionable at best.

My belief is and has been that people who believe in 'vaccine' mandates (control) are complete are utter jackasses.

 

[Script]

Did some research on movies lately. From Outbreak to Contagion to Pandemic and Utopia. All pandemic films and what they all have in common is some kind of coverup and/or (government or other) conspiracy plot. Interesting, no ?

I quite liked Jude Law as Alan Krumwiede in Contagion though

 

[scott2000]

and has been mentioned countless times here--that vaccines reduce the incidence of hospitalization and death.

When my Dad was admitted some time ago for a heart deal, they never tested him because he was vaccinated. I've heard and read similar things around. Even that medical reddit link posted has a few people, who are supposedly in the field, mention various things about hospital policy regarding testing vaccinated. If any of this is true, it seems like it could skew the actual numbers of hospitalized, vaccinated people with covid?
Like this for instance..

1. As of May 3, pre-procedural COVID testing is no longer necessary for patients who have
been fully vaccinated and report no symptoms consistent with COVID-19 and report no
close contact with persons with COVID19 in the last 14 days.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/sites/d...ting-amongst-fully-vaccinated-individuals.pdf
Hard to know what things have changed or not but it seems a bit chaotic and besides, a pre admission test seems like it could be moot if someone catches it before going in. Just feels like there is more to the numbers than what is being put out maybe.

 

[fallout]

Just feels like there is more to the numbers than what is being put out maybe.

To say the least.. and this is true for hospitals all over the country.

You're not going to find what you're not looking for.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Lies, damn lies, and statistics... (and science)

Nothing appears to be effective at preventing infection with omicron, including previous infections with earlier covid variants. This is behaving like that old school virus the common cold (rhinovirus). Coincidentally a Yale study found that having a cold (rhinovirus) was somewhat protective against Covid.

I expect it is fools errand to think we can wipe out Covid completely. Like the flu it will keep evolving and returning. We should get better at treating those infected.

This morality play to blame unvaccinated for everything seems almost (?) political....

We have seen great progress on treatments, maybe more focus on that and less demonization of major fractions of the population.

I am still trying to find numbers of deaths caused by omicron, the high profile death in TX was previously infected with covid, and had co-morbidities.

I find it hard to trust any numbers without a tablespoon of salt.

JR

 

[Script]

Overwhelmed PCR testing labs, I wonder ? What's the point of testing a patient if test result takes several days to come in (cos of Omi) and patient is vaccinated against delta and has no symptoms and no reported COVID contacts, but needs treatment now ? Could do a quick test... sure.

 

[fallout]

Overwhelmed PCR testing labs, I wonder ? What's the point of testing a patient if test result takes several days to come in (cos of Omi) and patient is vaccinated against delta and has no symptoms and no reported COVID contacts, but needs treatment now ? Could do a quick test... sure.

Whats the point testing the unvaccinated then if not to just skew numbers? Viral loads have been shown to be the same.