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jrmintz

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Hi all,

Anybody have schematics for a UM57? I have what I think is a very badly repaired UM-57 or a weird copy of one with misfitting parts and a home made power supply. Also, are there other Eastern European mics that look like the UM-57?

I'll post some pix when I get a minute.

Thanks. :thumb: :thumb:
 
http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/peaks/5212/start.htm

look at the neumann section. note the use of feedback bottom of the transformer goes to the cathode and the cathode resistor is not bypassed. To help correct the transformer problems and/or drop the gain a little????

6ab4, 1/2 12at7

I have read the transformer might not have the best lams, because supply off parts during the wall might not have been the best on the east side. I have also read the m7 capsule sometimes was made from another metal than Brass some can have oxidation issues I believe.

Check tab funkwerk for upgraded replacement transformer
 
Thanks, Gus!

Is the m582 the amplifier section of the UM57? This thing is really a mess, I have to post some pictures - you won't believe it.

Later tonight.

:guinness: :sam:
 
Hi Seth,

Here's a good page of how a UM-57 should look inside:

http://www.vintageloop.com/neumann57.html

Nice mic BTW when in top condition! EC92 valve, the same as used in the M582 body (pencil-type mic with interchangeable capsules)

I had the M582 schem a while back- I e-mailed Gefell for it. The thin connecting cables running down the side of the assembly are prone to crumbling, through age and heat. A very difficult job!

If you can, show us some pics and we'll see what we can identify!

Mark
 
Hi Seth
Try to contact Microtech-Gefell directly. They are very nice and helpful. Years ago they supplied a friend with CMV563 schems via Fax. If there´s a language problem drop me a post.
cheers
Jens
http://www.microtechgefell.de/
 
Thanks, guys. I'm going to open it up and see what's inside. I'm not sure it is a real UM57 - it could be cobbled together from parts or something. Those pictures will help a lot, thanks Mark. I met some of the MG guys last year at the NY AES show and they were very nice. This is not my mic, BTW. It belongs to a friend of a friend. The guy bought it on Ebay for $1500.00, I gather. He really got stung.

:guinness: :sam:
 
[quote author="soundguy"]omg, $1500 for that mic?

OUCH
[/quote]

No kidding! I feel bad for the guy who spent it.

The more I look at it the more I think it's a UM57 head on a homemade body. The damn connector is so big I can't get the body tube off without desoldering it. That's a project for when I'm less tired. BTW, check out the RCA unbalanced output connector! Here are some pics:

http://sethglassman.com/Mic2.JPG
http://sethglassman.com/Mic3.JPG
http://sethglassman.com/Mic4.JPG
http://sethglassman.com/Mic5.JPG
http://sethglassman.com/PSU1.JPG
http://sethglassman.com/PSU2.JPG

There's a little sticker on the back of the PSU that says "Vor Offnen des Gehauses Netzstecker ziehen" I don't know what that means, but there's no other markings anywhere. Any ideas?

:guinness: :sam:
 
---- the problem are the 220Meg ohm resistors
you can work with 200Meg to max. 500Meg but not higher !



put the 10nF cap aout and put a new in
some of the old caps have only 50Meg
normaly that cap must have 1 TerraMeg

change the output 1µF to a bipolar type
from company ERO

More tips to come
:wink:
 
it is possible you to send pics of the capsule ???

thanks

[quote author="jrmintz"]Hi all,

Anybody have schematics for a UM57? I have what I think is a very badly repaired UM-57 or a weird copy of one with misfitting parts and a home made power supply. Also, are there other Eastern European mics that look like the UM-57?

I'll post some pix when I get a minute.

Thanks. :thumb: :thumb:[/quote]
 
Hi Seth

I'm almost sure that the mic from your pictures is not a UM57. I have some and also done some restauration work for other studios for their UM57s and never saw something like this. I have the original PSU and it is totally diferent.
You should open the mic and make some pics, and I will confirm if there is anything there that relates to the UM57. The connectors look the same but the originals are not plastic but metal.
Very strange. I have the feeling that someone DIY a mic that has a UM57 look and sold it for big money.
If it would be a restaurated original, it would cost around 2500$ so the buyer probably thought that 1500$ is a very good deal. The original is a very good mic.

chrissugar
 
[quote author="jrmintz"]"Vor Offnen des Gehauses Netzstecker ziehen"[/quote]
That's a standard sticker found on almost all German equipment. It means disconnect from the mains before opening the box.

Best regards,

Mikkel C. Simonsen
 
I have the feeling that someone DIY a mic that has a UM57 look and sold it for big money.

I think that's exactly what happened - the buyer in the US tried to contact the seller in Germany and get his money back, but was never able to. It's a good cautionary tale.

I'll try to get the mic apart today and take more pics. Thanks for your help everyone.
 
For me both the Mike and PSU are (really bad) copys. You can find Pics at:
http://www.sonicworld.de/micro.html
http://www.microtechgefell.de/eng/home.htm
The UM57 PSU boxes look as far as I know the same like the CMV563 PSUs (or kind of like the new M149 Vintage PSUs)and never the way those rubbish boxes on Seth´s jpgs. There´s only Neumann quality work inside, no freak business like on these pics. The wooden box on the jpg is a copy or a new Neumann box (compare East-Neumann sign and actual(west) Neumann sign - on the microphone and on the case). In the times of release of the UM57 they came in grey boxes covered with artificial leather und an velvet interior. Too bad that I cannot post pics of my Neumanns.
I think this guy has been ripped off. But may this mike rock´s? Seth, let us know.
By the way a fingerprint an a 220M resistor makes a 50M resitor out of it. Make shure to clean them with alcohol :wink:
Jens :sam:
 
[quote author="Marik"]Seth,

Sorry, but nothing here resembles UM57. And capsule looks like a Chinese one.[/quote]

That's what I thought as well. This poor guy really got stung. Thanks Marik.
 
geez man, doesn't that suck. what's the ebay name of the guy? i live in germany, if he's in my area i might go and give him a beat-up in the name of our community :twisted:

the grille seems to be original, though. ehm, no sarcasm intended, but an appropriate bye-product, actually :green:

[quote author="Gus"] note the use of feedback bottom of the transformer goes to the cathode and the cathode resistor is not bypassed. To help correct the transformer problems and/or drop the gain a little????[/quote]
gus i have both um57 and m582's. now that you pointed it out, this feedback arrangement isn't really clear to me. at least not a very common one, is it? basically all tube mic circuits i know which are NOT cathode follower do have a bypass cap to ground.

so you mean, the xformer might have a low headroom, and in order not to overload it, they reduce the gain by series feedback? but where does this (to my eyes a little unusual) parallel feedback from xformer to cathode come in? what's the effect exactly? repectively, the effect in combination with the series feedback? :? :?:

for comparison, the m582 has a similar circuit as for the output section, here dc feedback is larger (4k7) but bypassed with 330pF to ground. having a much smaller body, the xformer is smaller, too, and should be even easier to overload - but no ac series feedback here...? hm. :?

while i'm at it, i never quite understood why there's no grid resistor in the m582 circuit. capsule goes straight to grid (polarizing voltage applied to capsule's other side). how's the biasing done? maybe the isolation in the mic is so poor that the resulting parasitic resistance is enough to do the job?

[quote author="Mark Burnley"]I had the M582 schem a while back- I e-mailed Gefell for it. The thin connecting cables running down the side of the assembly are prone to crumbling, through age and heat. A very difficult job! [/quote]
i have the schem here, but can't scan it right now, something seems to be messed up with my scanner :mad:

just today i restored one m582, bought in moderate condition, which had just that problem - two of the tiny wires had broken off near the tube socket. i bypassed them by new wires, making two additional groves (correct word?) in the tube socket plastic with my soldering iron just wide enough for the wires to fit between the socket and the housing. maybe that made a small change in wiring capacitance, but i couldn't detect any sound difference when a/b'ing!

[quote author="jensenmann"]By the way a fingerprint an a 220M resistor makes a 50M resitor out of it. Make shure to clean them with alcohol[/quote]
really? never heard of that before, does that happen with all high z resistors, or just with older ones...?
maybe that's an explanation why my um57 got a lil' noisy lately :cool:
 
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