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There keeping you lot busy arguing with each other so you cant even see theres a genocide taking place with America funding the Israelis ,
Who elected and supported Hamas?

Does Trump have a peace plan for the middle east or is it another cold war he wants with his friend Putin ?
How were things in the middle east during Obama's 8 years? Now compare Trump. And then look at the last three years. See any differences?

Biden is funding it , right now , despite growing calls for it to stop from all corners of the planet ,
Biden doesn't know what day it is. Who's really running the Executive branch if not the man who was elected to do so? This is a much bigger problem that none of the Biden voters here are willing to admit.

Wasnt that prick Spicer fired by Trump ?
Trump should have fired a lot more career bureaucrats.
 
Who is better off in 2021-24 compared to 2017-20
Uhhh, me.

I strongly suspect if the amt. of money from inflated prices going to corporate profits was at historical levels as opposed to 4-5 times historical levels, most people would be feeling pretty good about this economy.

Oh, and which party has an extreme fondness for letting corporate greedbags run roughshod over the American public? Oh, that's right. It's the GOP.
 
I voted for McCain in the 2000 primary, but that was after the racist South Carolina whisper campaign that basically doomed his campaign.

In a primary, not an election.

Oh, and I voted for Zell Miller, which I believe counts as voting for a Republican.
LOL. A Democrat governor who later sided with the neoconmen Bush/Cheney? Wow.

I don't think voting for a conservative really has anything to do with challenging one's core beliefs or entertaining doubt.
Changing one's stance after some decades of life experience is a sign of maturity and growing beyond the idealism of youth into a more realistic/pragmatic adult frame of reference. Some people never do.

*** I do wonder why Rs go so very far in rationalizing Trump's actions. His track record for decades illustrates clearly that he's a con artist.
And he was a big Democrat supporter, too. I don't think you understand what's happened. An awful lot of people are fed up with the status quo in the Federal Government. They want big changes. They'll vote for almost anyone who will start moving things in a better direction for the country.

The litany of lawsuits from before he ever got to the White House--

Blah blah blah. Biden has done nothing meaningful in 50 years of "public service." Same with Kamala in her 20 years. They are making things worse. The End.
 
Uhhh, me.
Gov bennies?

I strongly suspect if the amt. of money from inflated prices going to corporate profits was at historical levels as opposed to 4-5 times historical levels, most people would be feeling pretty good about this economy.
Yes, printing oodles of dinero and giving it away to make up for the lock downs had nothing to do with it. Get a clue.

Oh, and which party has an extreme fondness for letting corporate greedbags run roughshod over the American public? Oh, that's right. It's the GOP.
Which party supports big tech greedbags running roughshod over the first amendment? And Bezos made out like a bandit thanks to those Dem governor and permanent bureaucrat extended lock downs. He's essential because he donates to the right people. Which party is helping the MIC by fanning the flames in Ukraine? On whose watch did the coup occur that led to the war?
 
As it is for you.

Biden shows symptoms of aging, as does Trump,
One can stand and speak publicly multiple times per day and has no difficulty taking questions from the public or the press.

Biden can do none of those things because his mind is gone. Dementia can strike in the 60s for some people. It isn't purely age.

but his executive function appears to be intact (as opposed to Trump's),
Denial.
and as far as I can tell he's not a narcissistic pathological liar, which is the difference for me.
Did you vote for Obama? Then you can use narcissism as an excuse. And Biden has lied and plagiarized his entire career. Maybe you've forgotten.
 
Yes, printing oodles of dinero and giving it away to make up for the lock downs had nothing to do with it. Get a clue.
With inflation? Sure. But when 50+% of those elevated profits is going to corporate profits, that's just greed & profit-taking. Our inflation woes have more to do with greedy capitalists than any other single factor.
 
I have never seen a gloves-off unrehearsed political debate in the USA.
Political fixers, campaign managers, strategists, well rehearsed three-word-slogans are prepared for the masses who are getting infused with hot button emotional spins of their choice, selecting to remember their favorites.
As the US is getting more and more polarized with half-truths, conflicting information and outright lies it is hard to get to the bottom of anything.
Only having two political parties makes it easier on the lobby industry.
The presidency is not a dictator position, although it may be the only government some people grok.
Taking hot button issues off the plate would clean up the dialog, putting forth referendums would relieve politicians of using/abusing, or being abused by these, like
gun control, abortion, etc.
Maybe the US can't handle a democracy/republic?
 
So forcefully moving a million people off their land and taking over ,while allowing them starve to death isnt an attrocity ,isnt an attempt at ethnic cleansing ?
Does the death toll have to hit millions before its counts as genocide ?

Ever hear the saying , the Irish built it ,the Italians run it and the Jews own it ,
the US military is dependant on Israeli tech,
as are the IDF dependant on the US for the heavy engineering .

So you can have a frail and dithery old man or a slightly younger high functioning psycho ,
its an utterly apauling advert for democracy in the self proclaimed leading country of the free world .
 
I have never seen a gloves-off unrehearsed political debate in the USA.
Political fixers, campaign managers, strategists, well rehearsed three-word-slogans are prepared for the masses who are getting infused with hot button emotional spins of their choice, selecting to remember their favorites.
True to some degree.

As the US is getting more and more polarized with half-truths, conflicting information and outright lies it is hard to get to the bottom of anything.
There are a lot of really bad ideas out there with small, but vocal groups pushing them into view. The media loves a controversial story so they get more attention. Instant access social media also plays a big role. Manipulation via these outlets by professional propagandists is happening. There are multiple factors at play causing this.

Only having two political parties makes it easier on the lobby industry.
The presidency is not a dictator position, although it may be the only government some people grok.
Our governmental system has worked well enough (better than the alternatives) for a long time. Two parties isn't baked-in and there have been multiple instances of new parties entering the fray and older ones dying out.

Taking hot button issues off the plate would clean up the dialog, putting forth referendums would relieve politicians of using/abusing, or being abused by these, like
gun control, abortion, etc.
Maybe the US can't handle a democracy/republic?
Direct democracy doesn't work. Majority rules leads to chaos or worse. Just look at the enhanced mess in California, much of which was caused by ballot measures and initiatives. Our founders knew better than our current "leaders" about human nature and power/control.
 
With inflation? Sure. But when 50+% of those elevated profits is going to corporate profits, that's just greed & profit-taking. Our inflation woes have more to do with greedy capitalists than any other single factor.
I guess you don't grok it. You can participate in the profit by buying stock (directly or otherwise), watching the price grow, and possibly earning dividends. Or you can apply for a job at one of these profitable companies and join the ESPP and maybe earn some RSU incentives. Or you could start your own company and undercut one or more of the high margin corporations with your low margin concept. Or you can sit on the sidelines and whine online using your $1200 iPhone while sipping your $8 Venti Mocha Latte. Old Man Yells at Profit.
 
True to some degree.


There are a lot of really bad ideas out there with small, but vocal groups pushing them into view. The media loves a controversial story so they get more attention. Instant access social media also plays a big role. Manipulation via these outlets by professional propagandists is happening. There are multiple factors at play causing this.


Our governmental system has worked well enough (better than the alternatives) for a long time. Two parties isn't baked-in and there have been multiple instances of new parties entering the fray and older ones dying out.


Direct democracy doesn't work. Majority rules leads to chaos or worse. Just look at the enhanced mess in California, much of which was caused by ballot measures and initiatives. Our founders knew better than our current "leaders" about human nature and power/control.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Switzerland
If you do not dig into different democratic systems, like in Europe, and get yourself out of cliches about the US
political superiority, you can get some better ideas.
If California's democracy does not work(?) for the Californians, they would have to experience it.
 
$1200 iPhone while sipping your $8 Venti Mocha Latte.
I use a flip phone, thank you very much. And only rarely pay for coffee (and have no idea what a Venti Mocha Latte might be, though apparently you are well aware.)

Get back to me when you have something worthwhile to say. I won't hold my breath.
 
I see the slagging match serves as a convenient diversion ,
and nothing much of consequence is said about the state of affairs we find ourselves in globally
 
Seriously if the Israelis were practicing genocide, they would have wiped out Hamas in under 2 weeks. Instead they are bending over backwards to avoid killing innocent Palestinians but that is difficult when Hamas uses the population as human shields by hiding inside/under schools, hospitals, and even under UN offices.

This is the worst spin I've seen sofar.

1. Hamas is not only present in Gaza. So "wiping them out in two weeks" is a pipe dream. And after Hamas there are more than a dozen other fractions to take into account.

The latest plan from Netanyahu is to reconstitute a modern Palestinian leadership without ties to Hamas. I am not as optimistic as he is, because groups like Hamas tend to assassinate high profile leaders who try to stand up in opposition to Hamas. But good luck with that. They deserve peace without the vicious Hamas in charge.

They had their chance with the PLO. PLO was secular, not religious and there have been plenty of accosions to reach a deal, but the zionists screwed the negociations every time.

He already pioneered the Abraham accord that was building bridges between Israel and neighbors in the region. Iran of course was/is threatened by this so pushed Hamas to upset the apple cart.

Why don't Americans understand Iran are not Arabians?

Trump's plan for dealing with Putin (and Iraq) was to drive down international oil prices so Russia and Iraq, would not have the revenue from oil sales for all their military mischief. I believe it would work, but now both Russia and Iraq are selling lots of oil to China and India, and wherever.

And let's certainly not forget the other allies, Saudi Arabia. It doesn't matter if they kill fugitives, it doesn't matter if they're not democratic, hec it doesn't even matter if they fly planes into buildings...

The war machine never runs out of support... 🤔 . We need to starve Putin's war machine... Right now the west is running out of our own ammunition because Ukraine is getting so much of it.

The war machine is a US invention. No other nation has murdered and displaced as many people as the USA, with just one aim: to be present in every part of the world. If any other nation follows that example, they're up in arms...
 
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Switzerland
If you do not dig into different democratic systems, like in Europe, and get yourself out of cliches about the US
political superiority, you can get some better ideas.
Haha. When those European systems last for 200+ years come talk to me. And they've only recently had any real cultural diversity mixed in. I see the problems these highly socialized states (Sweden) are now experiencing as a result.

Yes, I'm aware of them. And the mess that is the EU. No, thanks. If people like those systems they are free to move there, just as people can move here for what we have to offer. One size does not fit all.

As for Switzerland, it's got the population of two average states in the US and is mostly populated by western European people. What may work there will not necessarily work here. I see that your 1848 Constitution formed a Federal government with three branches, legislative, judicial, and executive. Your legislature very similar to ours with one house representing Cantons (2 per Canton or 1 per half Canton) and the other proportional by population. I guess the founders of the US had some good ideas that you copied over there.

If California's democracy does not work(?) for the Californians, they would have to experience it.
I did. For 29 years. I learned from it. Will not support any such system in my country based on those experiences.
 
I dislike insults that I have to google to grok.... :rolleyes:

I guess if I used it on other people I'd remember what it is.

JR
Dunning-Kruger effect keeps getting used so I decided to try to understand it a little better.
wiki said:
The Dunning-Kruger effect is defined as the tendency of people with low ability in a specific area to give overly positive assessments of this ability. This is often seen as a cognitive bias, i.e. as a systematic tendency to engage in erroneous forms of thinking and judging.

Some researchers also include the opposite effect for high performers: their tendency to underestimate their skills. In popular culture, the Dunning–Kruger effect is often misunderstood as a claim about general overconfidence of people with low intelligence instead of specific overconfidence of people unskilled at a particular task.
It appears that the fundamental weakness is in self-assessment of skill level or competency. I have rarely seen it used in the proper context regarding circuit design here, while all the armchair medical experts created by the COVID pandemic and subsequent mishandling are almost a fair target for D-K criticism.

IMO D-K is misapplied as a woke/PC way to call people ignorant. While I do tend to see insults almost everywhere.

JR

PS: In fact I would not criticize people of D-K when they over reach in circuit design. We should all try to exceed our reach. That is how we grow and learn.
 
I mentioned back in October after Hamas killed over 1,000 people, that Israel would face a growing upswell of international criticism the longer this conflict drags on. There is a full court press occurring right now to force Israel into a permanent cease fire. What's left of Hamas military is cornered in southern Gaza. The Hamas leadership has long ago escaped the area.

aljazera said:
  • The Israeli military says it is continuing to conduct “precise operations” at Gaza’s al-Shifa Hospital on Friday. Its forces have killed 150 fighters and apprehended “hundreds of suspects” in or around the facility in the past day, it claims.
US military dropped 50,000 meal equivalents into northern Gaza while human conditions continue to be rough.

There is no obvious alternative to Hamas standing up yet. If Israel withdraws without finishing Hamas, they will reconstitute and we will see another Oct 7 rinse and repeat.

JR

PS: I'm just sharing things as I see them but we are apparently reading different news feeds.
 
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