alexandria ocasio - cortez

[pucho812]

wow she beat the incumbent. He held the position for a long time.  He was a 10 term congressman.
Now she is off to the general election  in November.  Yet others in her party do not seem to like her, in particular people like Nancy Pelosi.
Is the DNC having an identity crisis?

 

[boji]

"Is the DNC having an identity crisis?"

Ha. To put it mildly!
Good speechwriter (the writing appeals to emotions well) from her bumper vid "The Courage to Change"
Excerpt: "That any Democrat... that doesn't live here, doesn't send his kids to our schools, doesn't drink our water or breathe our air, can not possibly represent us."

Just look at people like Sam Harris, he's one of the best minds the left has to offer and yet has been called a nazi (he's an Ashkenazi jew) and a islamophobe by his own side for simply running the numbers on correlative violence and census data.

Yeah, the left is undergoing a brain drain.  Use the search term 'intellectual dark web' and you'll find smear after smear instead of point for point rebuttals of say, Bret and Eric Weinstein. These folks were fully-seated, left leaning thinkers just a few years ago, now popularly framed as conservatives by their own people.

 

[Gold]

She won the old fashioned way. She spent a lot of time in the district paying attention to constituents.  He had something like 100x the money.

 

[dmp]

Both the DNC and the RNC are having an identity crisis.
Both parties are (were) trying to hold onto their 1990/2000 identity.
But  the rise of populism is overthrowing both. The RNC fell first with Trump. Look at the centrist never-Trumpers.

As I've said before the rise of populism coincides with the increase in wealth disparity. The rich politicians of both parties are not representative of the country.
The electorate on  both sides have become much more polarized over the last ten years so there is no longer a center to compromise.

"The center will not hold"
History repeats itself

 

[hodad]

Glad to see you two are more "concerned" about what's happening on the Dem side than the identity crisis on the R side of things.  Honestly, I don't care that much about the fighting on the R side either--seeing who gets out-Trumped by the Trumpiest Trump in Trumpville is just sort of sad. 
And congratulations to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!  Excellent win. 

 

[boji]

"And congratulations to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!  Excellent"
I for one will gauge her excellence by her effectiveness and shrewdness at improving her burrough without taxing the businesses there so hard they up and leave. 

As for income inequality, that's not going to be solved with social programs or wealth redistribution, at least not like we imagine.
Unless we want to technologically move backwards or go to war or something (Let's see what happens as Trump's second term grows close).  AI and automation is only going to exacerbate the rise of populism.  Also I'm not  sure what that means, populism. Socialism?
http://globaldialoguecenter.blogs.com/johnrenesch/2014/11/wealth-gap-unsustainable-duh.html

Edit: There are very good arguments to be had for UBI that most people, myself included, inherently distrust. But we need to consider it if we want a middle class in the coming years.

 

[dmp]

I for one will gauge her excellence by her effectiveness and shrewdness at improving her burrough without taxing the businesses there so hard they up and leave. 

Sounds like you are talking about state and local taxes, which she won't be involved in at all???    State and local issues create an uneven playing field and sometimes cause businesses to relocate. As a Congressperson she'll have an impact on federal taxes and other regulatory issues. Federal policy also can cause businesses to move operations out of the country. 

As for income inequality, that's not going to be solved with social programs or wealth redistribution, at least not like we imagine.
Unless we want to technologically move backwards or go to war or something (Let's see what happens as Trump's second term grows close).  AI and automation is only going to exacerbate the rise of populism.  Also I'm not  sure what that means, populism. Socialism?
http://globaldialoguecenter.blogs.com/johnrenesch/2014/11/wealth-gap-unsustainable-duh.html

Edit: There are very good arguments to be had for UBI that most people, even myself inherently distrust, but we need to consider it if we want a middle class in the coming years.

A lot of what we are experiencing is a repeat of the late 1800s and early 1900s leading to the great depression. Wealth inequality was extremely high. There was a imbalance of power between labor and Capital. Read about the Robber Barons.
Workers were forced to work long hours for little pay and had little to no power for workplace safety etc...

This is attributed to the Laissez faire approach to the economy taken up to that point:
"abstention by governments from interfering in the workings of the free market."

It's pretty clear from history that a free market leads to stagnant wages, higher and higher business profit / Capital returns, and eventual destabilization.
People however are unable to learn from history - go figure.
Look at the decades after the great depression for some ideas. Basically, the state allocated power to workers through unions, minimum wage, regulations on work hours, safety etc.. 
The US had a strong middle class until most of these things were unwound, starting in the 1980s, and business/capital had an imbalance of power once more.
Whether you hate unions or not, the point is the government did things to create a balance of power between workers and capital. Maybe new ideas are needed for the next revolution, but the effect needs to be the same. 

populism != socialism

socialism is state control of Capital and is the opposite of Capitalism. There are negatives at the extremes of either.

Populism is a political term referring to 'the people' rising up against 'the elite'

 

[pucho812]

Glad to see you two are more "concerned" about what's happening on the Dem side than the identity crisis on the R side of things.  Honestly, I don't care that much about the fighting on the R side either--seeing who gets out-Trumped by the Trumpiest Trump in Trumpville is just sort of sad. 
And congratulations to Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez!  Excellent win.

Oh I am not concerned at all. 

https://nypost.com/2018/06/27/with-ocasio-cortezs-rise-dems-now-own-their-loony-far-left-flank/

 

[dmp]

Oh I am not concerned at all. 

https://nypost.com/2018/06/27/with-ocasio-cortezs-rise-dems-now-own-their-loony-far-left-flank/

Wow, that is out there. And written by Stephen Miller no less.
Keep posting links to your 'news' stories. It's interesting to see.

Want to actually see what she stands for?
https://ocasio2018.com/issues

 

[pucho812]

I read her page yesterday.

What is a+? I get lgbtq, but never heard of a+? is that a new thing? at what point will we just go a-z+. 
Secondly I can just see the dollar signs and money. It must be nice to promise the world to everyone using someone elses cash.

 

[ruairioflaherty]

at what point will we just go a-z+. 

I dunno, maybe when we have a society that is truly tolerant of people who are "different"?

Why the reflex to diminish this?

 

[pucho812]

I dunno, maybe when we have a society that is truly tolerant of people who are "different"?

Why the reflex to diminish this?

why can't people just be people?

 

[ruairioflaherty]

why can't people just be people?

Like it was back when America was great?  (if you were a straight, white, christian man)

 

[pucho812]

I was referring to not having labels.

 

[JohnRoberts]

wow she beat the incumbent. He held the position for a long time.  He was a 10 term congressman.
Now she is off to the general election  in November.  Yet others in her party do not seem to like her, in particular people like Nancy Pelosi.
Is the DNC having an identity crisis?

I wouldn't try to draw any sweeping conclusions from NY's 14th district.  The city is more liberal/progressive than upstate NY. She is from the Bernie wing of the democratic party, which is arguably not mainstream democrat (more socialist), but not my problem to sort out.

The incumbent may have underestimated the millennial anger over how the last election was handled.  If this predicts more political involvement from young people that's all good...  I wish more people of all ages were involved. Low voter turnout in this country is a regular embarrassment. I expect somebody to try to tap into the dissatisfied Bernie supporters still out there (besides Bernie). I do not know how pulling the democratic party further left would affect the general elections but for now this is just one outlier election (or not). The democratic party is reportedly trying to select candidates that resonate with voters in their specific districts and this appears to have worked here.

I voted in a run-off election Tuesday and there was something like 8 poll workers to the one single voter (me). Of course no complaints about the service.  8)

JR

 

[ruairioflaherty]

I was referring to not having labels.

OK.  I believe those labels are essential to allow people to be treated equally.

If someone out there can live with the challenge of being intersex then I don't think it's too much to ask for us to understand what that means and add the letter to the acronym.

Both of my children are adopted from China and my wife is very active in the adoption community, advocating for children in the system that are overlooked and not getting adopted.  Intersex children have a much more difficult time finding a family.  Why?  Because people do not understand intersex and are scared.  We can fix that and the first step is adding the letter to the acronym and having people ask "What does that mean?" That starts a journey of learning and hopefully empathy.

I think "What does that mean?" is a better question than "Do I have to bother?"

 

[dmp]

why can't people just be people?

When they are discriminated against for their characteristics?

 

[tands]

You sound so alarmed pucho.

 

[tands]

Just look at people like Sam Harris, he's one of the best minds the left has to offer and yet has been called a nazi (he's an Ashkenazi jew) and a islamophobe by his own side for simply running the numbers on correlative violence and census data.

Yeah, the left is undergoing a brain drain.  Use the search term 'intellectual dark web' and you'll find smear after smear instead of point for point rebuttals of say, Bret and Eric Weinstein. These folks were fully-seated, left leaning thinkers just a few years ago, now popularly framed as conservatives by their own people.

No problem, nobody wants these miserable little freaks. Why would they?

Let them join the republicans. The door is always open!

 

[pucho812]

You sound so alarmed pucho.

I am, after all I am only living in california.