alexandria ocasio - cortez

[boji]

I believe those labels are essential to allow people to be treated equally.

Equal treatment under the law is essential. Equal treatment based on intersex pronouns is not essential because it is based on one's subjective preference that can be made infinitely complex.

If someone out there can live with the challenge of being intersex then I don't think it's too much to ask for us to understand what that means and add the letter to the acronym.

No, of course it is not too much to ask. We should help people feel comfortable with who they are. It is however too much to ask that you compel me to use your pronouns, enforceable by incarceration.

I've mentioned this before, but I keep hearing language that glosses over the dangers of this slippery slope.  It should be a glaring point of contention for maintaining liberal free thought, but many liberals seem to be whistling past the graveyard on this one lately.

 

[boji]

Yeah, the left is undergoing a brain drain.  Use the search term 'intellectual dark web' and you'll find smear after smear instead of point for point rebuttals of say, Bret and Eric Weinstein. These folks were fully-seated, left leaning thinkers just a few years ago, now popularly framed as conservatives by their own people.

No problem, nobody wants these miserable little freaks. Why would they?

Why would they indeed. We are in full-on troll territory now, my friends.

 

[Matador]

It is however too much to ask that you compel me to use your pronouns, enforceable by incarceration.

Who exactly is proposing jail time for incorrect usage of pronouns?

 

[JohnRoberts]

Who exactly is proposing jail time for incorrect usage of pronouns?

Canada has moved toward classifying intentional repeated pronoun misuse as a hate crime (senate bill c-16), but no jail time imminent yet.

JR

 

[living sounds]

I've mentioned this before, but I keep hearing language that glosses over the dangers of this slippery slope.  It should be a glaring point of contention for maintaining liberal free thought, but many liberals seem to be whistling past the graveyard on this one lately.

There's authoritarianism on the left as well as on the right. "Liberal" used to mean the "liberal left" as opposed to the authoritarian left.

To me the problem now seems to be that too many people have become so disenfrenchised, desperate and angry that they want things to change by force. History strongly  counsels against taking that path.

 

[pucho812]

so  aparently, ocasio-cortez, spent  a good chuck of her life in Westchester and was ivy league. Hardly the district she wants to represent.  Sounds like a modern day carpetbagger.

 

[JohnRoberts]

so  aparently, ocasio-cortez, spent  a good chuck of her life in Westchester and was ivy league. Hardly the district she wants to represent.  Sounds like a modern day carpetbagger.

Forget the ad hominem about her background, and name calling, perhaps inspect her policy pronouncements.

She managed to get elected which is better than everybody who did not run, and most who did.

JR

 

[pucho812]

Forget the ad hominem about her background, and name calling, perhaps inspect her policy pronouncements.

She managed to get elected which is better than everybody who did not run, and most who did.

JR

fair enough... I read her website, lucky for me I don't live in her district.  unfortunately I live in California which is on par. 

 

[tands]

Here is her response.

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
‏Verified account @Ocasio2018
Replying to @johncardillo

Hey John,

1. I didn’t go to Brown or the Ivy League. I went to BU. Try Google.

2. It is nice. Growing up, it was a good town for working people. My mom scrubbed toilets so I could live here & I grew up seeing how the zip code one is born in determines much of their opportunity.

3. Your attempt to strip me of my family, my story, my home, and my identity is exemplary of how scared you are of the power of all four of those things.

2,834 replies 7,917 retweets 64,398 likes

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1013480623531593735

 

[dmp]

In this era of biased/fake news I've seen a lot of attacks that are either willfully ignorant or just playing on emotions for cheap attacks.
So what is the difference between Communism and Democratic Socialism?
What is the Democratic Socialist party of Ocasio-Cortez and Sanders advocating?
Is it authoritarian? 

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Democratic Socialism (from wikipedia):

is a political philosophy that advocates political democracy alongside social ownership of the means of production[1] with an emphasis on self-management and/or democratic management of economic institutions within a market socialist, participatory or decentralized planned economy.

Further:

Democratic socialists have promoted a variety of different models of socialism ranging from market socialism where socially-owned enterprises operate in competitive markets and are in some cases self-managed by their workforce to non-market participatory socialism based on decentralized economic planning.[2]
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The whole point is that the ownership of Capital should be  social, not individual, and the 'profit' of Capitalism that goes to a small group of very wealthy individuals in positions of power should be replaced.
I bank at a credit union, shop at co-operative stores, and see great advantages in co-operation as a business structure over competition. 

It is a proposition to reverse the trajectory of wealth inequality we are seeing, which as I've tried to explain is driving the populism, heightened polarization, and authoritarian danger that we are seeing in the USA.

The fact that wages are stagnant and other employment problems can be traced to the behavioral choices of business owners and the system that drives those choices. Getting liberals and conservatives fighting each other 'building a wall' and other nonsense like this misses the point. The economic structure is nearly broken and needs reform.

Capitalism has major problems as it is not a stable long term system. The owners of Capital / business have the majority of wealth, have power over politicians, and reduce healthy competition for their own benefit. The imbalance of power and wealth grow until the system reaches a breaking point.
The recent merger of ATT and Time Warner is just the latest of 'capture' where big business reduces competition to have greater pricing power.

 

[bluebird]

Here is her response.

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1013480623531593735

Oooh BURN pucho! 

Just joking man, its cool

shut up TANDS!!!! ;D

 

[boji]

I glossed over the thing about Democratic Socialism (I'll go back and read).  Mid-point a paragraph opened with 'Further',
and at first glance I thought it read 'Fuhrer'  (>.<)

DS got some bad baggage.

Edit: Was not trying to be flippant, btw. Just saying there's a bunch of negative association that would be hard to overcome.  At the very least it would need to be re-coded as something else to gain traction. But if you're looking for a war with the right, start a movement and call it DS and see what happens.

 

[boji]

Btw I got not so much as a peep when mentioning UBI the other day.  Might need a thread of its own. One positive thing I can say about it is that it frames the socialist desires of the left and quantifies it into something experimental but not vague and scary like some of the programs the right fears the left wants to deploy if given free reign.

https://samharris.org/podcasts/130-universal-basic-income/

 

[Gold]

I saw an interview with her. When asked about Democratic Socialism she gave a good politician answer. She said ‘I don’t want to focus on labels. I want to talk about the issues of my constituents like healthcare, education and jobs’. She seems like a conventional politician in the good sense. She doesn’t come off as a firebrand.

 

[Gold]

She’s got star quality. She’s at ease on TV and she’s smart. That’s why they’re scared.

 

[tands]

Here's her platform, pretty much. All those things you note, and this, is why they're sh*tting their pants. Same reasons they cheated Bernie out of the nomination.

Ocasio is really good news for the left, and really bad news for the right. Trump is repulsive, toxic, at this point, and Pelosi and Schumer are right there with him.

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1013784599019782145

 

[tands]

Julia Salazar Is Looking to Land the Next Blow Against the New York Democratic Machine


...

Saturday morning, Ocasio-Cortez emailed her supporters encouraging them to sign up to petition for Salazar and a few other progressive women candidates. “I can’t think of a better place to start the fight for progressives like us than helping get Julia Salizar [sic], Zephyr Teachout and Cynthia Nixon on the ballot!” she wrote. (Nixon, who’s challenging Gov. Andrew Cuomo, also endorsed Salazar this week.) “When nobody else would endorse us or cover our race, these three women broke ranks and endorsed Ocasio 2018. Now it’s time to stand by them.”

Ocasio-Cortez followed up with a tweet on Monday, encouraging her followers to help gather signatures on Salazar’s behalf: “@SalazarSenate18 isn’t the next me, she’s the first HER.”

A win by Salazar would help solidify the gains made by Ocasio-Cortez, who defeated, but did not vanquish, the party machines. The similarities between the candidates are more than superficial. Both are committed socialists endorsed by Democratic Socialists of America. Both support abolishing Immigration and Customs Enforcement, a once-fringe rallying cry that has seeped into mainstream liberal discourse in recent weeks. Both were raised by working-class parents and threw themselves into community organizing as teenagers. And, tragically, both endured the deaths of their fathers before their 20th birthdays. Most of all, Salazar and Ocasio-Cortez represent a new generation of young, diverse, unapologetically radical women poised to take over the Democratic Party.

more

https://theintercept.com/2018/07/03/julia-salazar-state-senate-new-york-dsa/

 

[JohnRoberts]

Here's her platform, pretty much. All those things you note, and this, is why they're sh*tting their pants. Same reasons they cheated Bernie out of the nomination.

I suspect the democrats are more concerned about her than the right. She was a Bernie Sanders organizer so logically picking up where he left off, perhaps even further left. 

If anything this looks disruptive to lower NY state politics, but they could stand for a good flush.

Ocasio is really good news for the left, and really bad news for the right. Trump is repulsive, toxic, at this point, and Pelosi and Schumer are right there with him.

https://twitter.com/Ocasio2018/status/1013784599019782145

The Bernie wing(?) will embrace her.

JR

 

[tands]

I think you're right on all three counts, JR. But it's been conservative commentators, both tv and internet who've shown the most fear of her so far. She's a shiny object. Centrist dems/liberals have to be careful not to alienate people who support her, so they're not saying much.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I think you're right on all three counts, JR. But it's been conservative commentators, both tv and internet who've shown the most fear of her so far. Centrist dems have to be careful not to alienate people who support her, so they're not saying much.

I always wonder who listens to them.  :

It's hard to ignore the last charismatic minority community organizer from Chicago who spoke at the democratic convention and made his bones. Some may see her as the second coming.

I am not smart enough to predict the future but her platform seems too narrow to appeal to fly over state voters. So she needs to start creeping toward the center eventually, but that will come after she realizes she won the primary.

but first things first... congress.

JR