Brexit

[abbey road d enfer]

I don't mean disrespect of any sort to anyone but I do get the impression that what I wrote above about hardlining went unnoticed.

It didn't go unnoticed with me, mainly because I'm not familiar with the term, so I google it, and I couldn't find a proper description of it. So maybe a quick tutorial for me and a refresh for the rest...
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As in 'hardliner' (noun): a person who adheres rigidly to a dogma, theory, or plan. I see a lot of hardlining on the 'leave' side -- little willingness to compromise and even less willingness to discuss possible future plans.
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Really have to run now -- few days on the road.

 

[sahib]

@Sahib
I do get your point. I assume it would be a turn to the less favourable again for your business if Scotland left. I fully get that and respect that. Personally, I couldn't care less whether Scotland left or stayed.
However, I'm also curious to hear about what you think is be better for your neighbours (Scotland IN or OUT, UK IN or OUT etc etc etc). --

It would be less favourable for my business because nobody still know what currency Scotland would be using.

However, my position in the independence referendum is clear. It is also an interesting one. When I took up British Citizenship I had to take an oath to remain loyal to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So, firstly there is an undisputed moral case to remain part of the United Kingdom. Secondly, as this oath was part of the condition for accepting the citizenship, and was taken in front of a lawyer, signed and sealed,  it is actually a legally binding contract. Therefore, I can not vote "Yes" legally either.  I do not think anybody thought about this. I discussed it with a  legal professional friend and he is of the same opinion.

 

[DaveP]

Very glad to see that someone knows what an oath is and has the moral courage to stick to it, you put us to shame Sahib.
+1
DaveP

 

[abbey road d enfer]

When I took up British Citizenship I had to take an oath to remain loyal to the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. So, firstly there is an undisputed moral case to remain part of the United Kingdom.

It is very much to your credit.

Secondly, as this oath was part of the condition for accepting the citizenship, and was taken in front of a lawyer, signed and sealed,  it is actually a legally binding contract. Therefore, I can not vote "Yes" legally either.  I do not think anybody thought about this. I discussed it with a  legal professional friend and he is of the same opinion.

Any lawier may argue that, as in any contract, in case one of the parties undergoes significant changes, the other party is not bound anymore. He may also question what is "legal" vote...

 

[sahib]

Any lawier may argue that, as in any contract, in case one of the parties undergoes significant changes, the other party is not bound anymore. He may also question what is "legal" vote...

Indeed there would be so many angles to this case but the main argument would be that, if I express my desire to leave the United Kingdom then I am effectively giving up my UK citizenship at that very moment. In which case I would have to surrender my passport which  would automatically take me out of the voting roll.

 

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@sahib
Thank you very much sharing this. Interesting and tricky indeed.

When I was in Japan the first time for studies (I'm not a J citizen) they made me pledge too. Next to common sense things like no killing, no stealing, there's no possession of firearms, no use of illegal drugs, no acting in porn flicks, and no engagement in professional gambling business and a few more that I have forgotten. If I broke any of them, particularly the first three ones, and got caught, they have the right to deport me. Should I want to become a J citizen, I'm sure I'd have to pledge the same and more including: never say 'no' to an elderly person and never stick chopsticks in rice ;D etc

 

[sahib]

Thank you.

I am surprised that you have to take such oath  just to be accepted to a course.

However, if you broke the first one I think deportation would be the last of your worries. ;D

 

[kambo]

Very glad to see that someone knows what an oath is and has the moral courage to stick to it.
+1
DaveP

+1

 

[abbey road d enfer]

@sahib
Thank you very much sharing this. Interesting and tricky indeed.

When I was in Japan the first time for studies (I'm not a J citizen) they made me pledge too. Next to common sense things like no killing, no stealing, there's no possession of firearms, no use of illegal drugs, no acting in porn flicks, and no engagement in professional gambling business and a few more that I have forgotten. If I broke any of them, particularly the first three ones, and got caught, they have the right to deport me. Should I want to become a J citizen, I'm sure I'd have to pledge the same and more including: never say 'no' to an elderly person and never stick chopsticks in rice ;D etc

As time goes by, the fifth one becomes the easiest to obey.  8)

 

[[silent:arts]]

Brexit is now hitting the masses in Great Britain.

While most manufacture just higher the prices Toblerone makes Brexit (well, the GBP exchange rates) visible:

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/08/toblerone-gap-brexit-falling-pound-2016

 

[ramshackles]

Why didnt they just knock a triangle or two off the end...

 

[sahib]

Brexit is now hitting the masses in Great Britain.

While most manufacture just higher the prices Toblerone makes Brexit (well, the GBP exchange rates) visible:
...............

It depends which way you look at it.

Seems it is easier to eat it the damn thing now without getting the rest stuck in your nose. ;D

 

[ruffrecords]

Why didnt they just knock a triangle or two off the end...

That would require new tooling for a smaller package. Far too expensive.

Cheers

Ian

 

[madswitcher]

The Tobelarone thing has got nothing to do with Brexit: it is simple greed.  The same company changed the recipe for Cadbury cream eggs as a cost saving exercise - heresy in my book. 

Mike

 

[ruffrecords]

The Tobelarone thing has got nothing to do with Brexit: it is simple greed.  The same company changed the recipe for Cadbury cream eggs as a cost saving exercise - heresy in my book. 

Mike

I used to love Cadbury's chocolate but it does not taste the same any more. The Cadbury recipe was a closely guarded secret. It would not surprise me if the new owners did not get the true version.

Cheers

Ian

 

[Phrazemaster]

I used to love Cadbury's chocolate but it does not taste the same any more. The Cadbury recipe was a closely guarded secret. It would not surprise me if the new owners did not get the true version.

Cheers

Ian

It's amazing how a successful recipe or invention can be downgraded to save a few pennies. Customers may not notice immediately, but when they do, they will not be happy.

 

[DaveP]

I wrote and complained after Rowntrees was bought up by Nestle and they changed the chocolate on Kit Kat.

They denied it had changed of course

DaveP

 

[abbey road d enfer]

It's amazing how a successful recipe or invention can be downgraded to save a few pennies. Customers may not notice immediately, but when they do, they will not be happy.

Not to be the devil's advocate, but sometimes recipes are changed because some ingredients become non-grata, such as trans-fat or palm oil. The recipe (and taste) of many soft drinks have changed over the years due to concerns with phosphoric acid.

 

[ruffrecords]

I wrote and complained after Rowntrees was bought up by Nestle and they changed the chocolate on Kit Kat.

They denied it had changed of course

DaveP

I agree. I had a kit-kat the other day and they definitely do not taste as good as they used to.

Cheers

Ian