COVID-19

[hodad]

Trump haters will need to calm down,
this is not a good time for using inaccurate information for blame game!

Do you mean the inaccurate information that comes from Trump?  He is certainly a prime source of inaccurate information, but I'm not sure why Trump haters need to calm down about it.  In fact, I'm not sure why anyone at all would be particularly pleased with some of the nonsense he's spewed regarding coronavirus, whether  one is calm or not. 

 

[dogears]

Do you mean the inaccurate information that comes from Trump?  He is certainly a prime source of inaccurate information, but I'm not sure why Trump haters need to calm down about it.  In fact, I'm not sure why anyone at all would be particularly pleased with some of the nonsense he's spewed regarding coronavirus, whether  one is calm or not.

Now be honest. Did you personally watch of his recent announcements? The one about the ban to Europe or yesterdays? Or the one where he formed the task force?

 

[ruffrecords]

My wife and I are doing our best to minimise social contact. We are both in our late 60s, I have asthma and my wife has diabetes. Fortunately we are retired so there is no financial burden associated with self isolating and we live in a quiet cul de sac. We still shop once a week since so far there are zero reported cases in Norfolk where we live.

Looks like this virus will mess with everyone's lives. If you are old you might die, if you are young it may destroy you financially.

Best of luck to us all.

Cheers

ian

 

[john12ax7]

There was a study done on a hospital room where they swabbed after a patient was treated. They found very very few viruses in the AC ducts. It doesn’t seem to be broadly aerosolized.

Good info.  Thanks.

 

[dogears]

Good info.  Thanks.

Found the paper.

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2762692

Air samples were negative despite the extent of environmental contamination. Swabs taken from the air exhaust outlets tested positive, suggesting that small virus-laden droplets may be displaced by airflows and deposited on equipment such as vents.

So droplets can be picked up in vents, but unlikely to spread broadly.  Also doesn’t count if those positive results were still viable / contagious.

Again may not be peer reviewed etc grain of salt.

 

[JohnRoberts]

How many of you have studios or go somewhere similar with mutiroom buildings? I have a room in a building with a bunch of other studios.  Not a ton of foot traffic, but the HVAC system is intertwined.  Is this a cause for concern?

It is possible to install UVc lamps inside air ducts to kill off microbes but that seems like over kill...

Hepa filters could help but they would probably reduce flow, or increase power draw to push air through them.

Probably not most likely vector for infection if contagious people are in the same building (but I am not an expert on infectious diseases.)

JR

[edit- Today I saw a young girl driving a four wheeler, too fast on my side street... She was not wearing a helmet, but was wearing a mask.. I suspect she has a compromised intelligence quotient.  [/edit]

 

[hodad]

Now be honest. Did you personally watch of his recent announcements? The one about the ban to Europe or yesterdays? Or the one where he formed the task force?

I watched parts of yesterday's, read about it as well.  "public-private partnership" seemed to be the buzzword, lots of talking about what a great job they were doing, bad info about a Google (actually Verily) website, and a good bit of pie-in-the -sky talk about everything that they're going to get done....when, exactly?  That wasn't made clear.

 

[Whoops]

A video from Portugal,
at 22pm (people are isolated at home for 3 days) everyone went out at their apartment windows and balconies to Applause for the Health Professionals fighting against Corona Virus,
It was a really emotional moment I started crying in the middle of it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchJgGzWNSY

 

[Scodiddly]

Now be honest. Did you personally watch of his recent announcements? The one about the ban to Europe or yesterdays? Or the one where he formed the task force?

To be honest, not all of them in full.  The parts I watched didn't do anything to change my opinion that he's not a well man. 
"National emergency.... two very large words".

 

[Whoops]

Nice!

It's really emotional I felt something I never felt in my entire life.
Everyone doing Quarantine (not enforced in Portugal, just advised at the moment) and  united with the single purpose of saving Lifes.
Seeing my whole street, whole neighborhood, going to the windows and claiming "Yes we are here, we are inside like you advised and we want to help you to be able to save lives"

Chilling

 

[dogears]

To be honest, not all of them in full.  The parts I watched didn't do anything to change my opinion that he's not a well man. 
"National emergency.... two very large words".

Those are two very large words. Not in the sense of the words themselves but what they mean. Of all the things. Man, I did not vote for President Trump and I do not agree with him on a great many things but stuff like this just makes me shake my head.

 

[dogears]

I watched parts of yesterday's, read about it as well.  "public-private partnership" seemed to be the buzzword, lots of talking about what a great job they were doing, bad info about a Google (actually Verily) website, and a good bit of pie-in-the -sky talk about everything that they're going to get done....when, exactly?  That wasn't made clear.

Public private partnership was pretty interesting. I don’t recall ever seeing something like that before. My father is 67 and he doesn’t either.

The thing about the verily website is more partisan stupidity. Verily and Google are both owned by Alphabet and 1100 something google engineers are working on the website for / with verily. If he says verily everyone says “who?” And all the detractors say “what an idiot doesn’t he know verily and google are the same company?”

The first drive through test is opening in San Antonio next week according to a physician I know in that city. For first responders and healthcare workers only initially. I expect it’ll get rolling quickly, but time will tell.

I think he should have gotten the private labs involved sooner for testing. The CDC and FDA failed big time on that. We’ll see how it goes forward.

 

[kambo]

CNN weirdly keep re-playing news and information from yesterday!

 

[dirtyhanfri]

Hi all

I've been out of here for a few months, really busy lately, not the most active member but I used to read here everyday.

Well, I'm from Spain, exactly from Madrid, where the focus is, so not busy anymore for the next weeks. The government declared the alarm situation, it feels weird having limited movements and such, being a mainly outdoor living country.

I live alone, no kids, my parents aren't in the most risky part of the spectrum, I work as a freelance in my own workshop so everything is kind of under control, given the overall situation, just limit the social interaction for a few weeks. Hey, if I think about it twice I can get the positive side, I'll have time to update my shop, do all the pending stuff, read what I wanted to read etc.

But it's scary, I'm not sure if I'll be forced to stop coming to my shop everyday,  I could move basic stuff to home, but the climate is so strange. I see people spreading fear, but not taking real cautions, other people laughing at it in a silly way, lots of egoist behavior, people sharing whatever info they have from social media... I think this should help us to take some time to rethink a few aspects about ourselves and our society.

The good thing? A few well known racist politicians had the virus, hope it does it's job with them.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Good luck and be well... this too will pass. Health officials are generally giving the public good advice based on their local conditions.

The hope is that warmer weather will damp this down until next season, but like most flu strains it may jump to southern hemisphere as we warm up and they cool down. 

JR

PS: Apparently covid-19 didn't stop all the spammers, some sleeper accounts set up last summer when we left the door open too long, rose from their self imposed dormancy.

 

[Whoops]

Well, I'm from Spain, exactly from Madrid, where the focus is, so not busy anymore for the next weeks. The government declared the alarm situation, it feels weird having limited movements and such, being a mainly outdoor living country.

But it's scary, I'm not sure if I'll be forced to stop coming to my shop everyday,  I could move basic stuff to home, but the climate is so strange. I see people spreading fear, but not taking real cautions, other people laughing at it in a silly way, lots of egoist behavior, people sharing whatever info they have from social media... I think this should help us to take some time to rethink a few aspects about ourselves and our society.

Hello mate, I understand completely what you say.
We're from neighbor countries, during this week I was checking the numbers in Spain growing a lot and thinking the Spanish Government were taking a long time to apply measures,  here in Portugal the Government took measures when there were only 78 (oficial) people infected while Spain already had around 5000 and people were still going out socializing, it feels a bit late but I'm glad for all you guys the strict measures were already applied.  Not everyone will understand the problem and the danger of the situation in the same way, so sometimes enforced measures have to take place.

I wish all the best to you and your family, it's great that you have a positive outgoing on the situation, and I also find the best thing at the moment is really take advantage of this time to do productive things that you were never able to do before but wanted for a long time. (if doing them at home is possible)

I'm on the 4th day of quarantine is not easy, it's a work in progress of acceptance and rationality , and getting used to the new days the world is seeing. It's a Phase, we will overcome this

All my best

 

[Tubetec]

I think the psychological and economic effects of this imposed separation could be far more dangerous than the virus itself .  Sundays are quiet here where I am to begin with , today theres very little but the sounds of nature to be heard outside , its a bit eerie . 

Its all become a bit like some dystopian tv drama where everything we know has changed, everything we were doing all along led us to where we find ourselves and were bollocksed now because of it . 
In some ways I'm lucky ,I'm already semi reclusive and have lived a low impact lifestyle for years.
Maybe the virus is mother natures way of triggering a change in our behaviour so the planet saves itself in time . We like to think the societies we've grown up in are new ,cutting edge , better than anything that came before ,more technology to make lives better , the reality is we've made the whole of human civilisation more vulnerable to total collapse with a kind of economic domino effect . Many many civilisations came and went over the course of human history , small isolated tribes simply vanished for reasons we dont fully understand . Globalisation means contagion ,not just of a virus ,but also economic and social  .

Who's gonna pay for thousands of mothballed airliners and airport terminals that cost public money to build ?

https://www.statista.com/statistics/278372/revenue-of-commercial-airlines-worldwide/+

 

[cyrano]

I’m an epidemiologist. When I heard about Britain’s ‘herd immunity’ coronavirus plan, I thought it was satire
William Hanage

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19

 

[ruffrecords]

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/15/epidemiologist-britain-herd-immunity-coronavirus-covid-19

The Guardian is well known for its Labour party sympathies so it is not at all surprising it is openly critical of the current Conservative governments handling of the corona virus and it use of a completely inappropriate analogy to make its case.. Of course, it is easy to be critical of someone's actions and one hell of a lot harder to actually be responsible for for making them. As the saying goes, those who can do, those who can't teach and the rest are journalists.

For my money this is an extremely difficult path for any government to tread. It is very likely that 80% of the population will get the virus so it is important to manage the spread of the virus and the  limited resources we have to deal with it in a way that provides the best chance of survival for everyone in the UK. So far I think they have got it about right.

Cheers

Ian

 

[cyrano]

That's not The Guardian speaking, Ian, it's a US scientist. Besides, it's on a lot of other media too.

The Dutch Erasmus University's Frank Grosveld et al have an antibody capable of preventing infection:

https://www.erasmusmagazine.nl/en/2020/03/14/unique-discovery-in-erasmus-mc-antibody-against-corona/