COVID-19

[Tubetec]

I have raised these and similar issues here before and some of the usual gobshites stay very very quiet on what seems like their specialist chosen subject .

Just wanted to say , glad you weathered the storm 'Grid Stopper' , I might disagree with you on some issues but I cant fault the measured way you deliver your point of view , on any subject .

 

[crazydoc]

Hopefully not too much of a veer, but I recently had a 40 degree celsius fever as well as an unbelievable tension headache at the back of my head, this went on without relent for 7 days before deciding to go to the hospital.

Don't know where you're from, but this sounds like potential malpractice, as meningitis needs to be ruled out with those symptoms. Hope it was just viral meningitis, not needing any antibiotics - if it was bacterial you probably would have been dead in that first week. Glad you recovered.

 

[Tubetec]

Silence is golden ,but my eyes still see

dedicated to you Doc ,

 

[grid_stopper]

Don't know where you're from, but this sounds like potential malpractice, as meningitis needs to be ruled out with those symptoms. Hope it was just viral meningitis, not needing any antibiotics - if it was bacterial you probably would have been dead in that first week. Glad you recovered.

Im in canada, the extent of them ruling it it out(because i went to urgent care first and they actually said i probably had meningitis) was the doctor feeling my neck and saying "feels soft" when i was admitted. that was about it. i seem to have pretty bad luck with ER visits though, so maybe im just cursed lol. Regardless, thank you-I am too!

as a side note: my uncle had bacterial meningitis as a child and spent the rest of his life in a home unable to care for him self, and I was quite relieved to find out thats not what I had.

 

[JohnRoberts]

I'm glad you finally got it sorted, some medical system mistakes get buried.

JR .

 

[JohnRoberts]

I'll see if my neighbor has any anecdotal observations from people he knows working in the local hospitals. Just like vote shenanigans likely don't result in statistical significance, I would be extremely surprised if hospitals undercounted their Covid cases forgoing extra revenue. Some out of system covid deaths may have been underreported.

JR

I remembered to ask my neighbor the druggist what he knew about misreporting covid deaths and he shared two cases that he knew about personally. One friend had a mother who died of Alzheimer's with zero covid symptoms but was misreported as Covid on her death certificate. He suggested that the coroners sometimes make COD diagnosis.

Of course not enough numbers to cause a pandemic...

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It appears that politicians are teeing up to take credit for crushing omicron... from where I sit, it looks like omicron, came, infected widely unfettered, and is now winding down after running its course.

JR

 

[crazydoc]

"One friend had a mother who died of Alzheimer's with zero covid symptoms but was misreported as Covid on her death certificate."

Death certificates have lines for immediate causes of death, and for contributing causes, so his anecdote is meaningless without actually seeing the certificate. And it's certainly possible, and even likely, that covid is what tipped her into death.
Anecdotes like this, especially second hand, from people who are ignorant of what they profess, is a major contributor to the misinformation epidemic destroying the country.

http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/wwwfiles/ph/media/media/rx-may2014.pdf
Underlying cause of death: Items 107(B-D) are for the
intermediate and underlying causes of death. This is the most
significant piece of information on the certificate since most
mortality analyses are based on the underlying cause of death.
Every condition listed should cause the one above it. Thus,
entering conditions in an illogical order will prompt the
Public Health Registrar to question the cause of death and
the certificate will be returned to the funeral director for
revision. A useful way to make sure the order of the causes
makes sense is to say the phrase “due to” or “as a consequence
of,” moving from line A down to the last filled-in line. For
instance, a death may be due to a pulmonary embolus, as a
consequence of hip surgery, resulting from an injury from a
fall, resulting from a cerebral infarction. Cerebral infarction
is the underlying cause of death. Multiple conditions cannot
be listed on 1 line in this section.
Time intervals: To the right of lines 107(A-D) are items
107(AT-DT) where the time intervals between the conditions
listed and the time of death are to be listed. The more precise
the time the better, but it is acceptable to estimate and
use terms such as “approximately.” If the time interval is
unknown and cannot be estimated, “unknown duration”
can be listed. Something must always be entered on these
lines next to the corresponding conditions; they cannot
be left blank.
PART II
Other significant conditions: Item 112 is where other ill-
nesses or conditions that may have contributed to the death,
but were not the direct cause of it, can be listed. Multiple
conditions may be listed here. There may be uncertainty as
to the direct or contributing causes of death, so it is up to the
physician to use his or her best medical judgment as to the
most likely causes and sequences contributing to death.

 

[scott2000]

Things probably get misinterpreted because of out of context wording in these current times.. Not knowing the details of what things exactly mean can lead to theories.

http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/acd/ncorona2019/reporting.htm#deaths
"Summary of Required COVID-19 Reporting

• Healthcare providers must report COVID-19 associated deaths and all cases that meet the CDC definition of MIS-C."

COVID-19 Associated Deaths​

Healthcare providers are asked to report all fatalities related to COVID-19, including out of hospital deaths of presumed cases.
Providers are required to report deaths in any person:

1. Who tested positive for COVID-19 within 90 days prior to death; OR
2. Clinically suspected of having died from COVID-19 (either directly attributable to COVID-19 or a secondary complication of COVID-19) regardless of prior testing results; OR
3. Who was a resident of a congregate living facility with an ongoing COVID-19 outbreak, regardless of testing*

* Suspected cases are not counted towards a facility’s COVID-19 death count until investigated and determined to be a COVID-19 associated death.

 

[JohnRoberts]

"One friend had a mother who died of Alzheimer's with zero covid symptoms but was misreported as Covid on her death certificate."

Death certificates have lines for immediate causes of death, and for contributing causes, so his anecdote is meaningless without actually seeing the certificate. And it's certainly possible, and even likely, that covid is what tipped her into death.
Anecdotes like this, especially second hand, from people who are ignorant of what they profess, is a major contributor to the misinformation epidemic destroying the country.

http://publichealth.lacounty.gov/wwwfiles/ph/media/media/rx-may2014.pdf
Underlying cause of death: Items 107(B-D) are for the
intermediate and underlying causes of death. This is the most
significant piece of information on the certificate since most
mortality analyses are based on the underlying cause of death.
Every condition listed should cause the one above it. Thus,
entering conditions in an illogical order will prompt the
Public Health Registrar to question the cause of death and
the certificate will be returned to the funeral director for
revision. A useful way to make sure the order of the causes
makes sense is to say the phrase “due to” or “as a consequence
of,” moving from line A down to the last filled-in line. For
instance, a death may be due to a pulmonary embolus, as a
consequence of hip surgery, resulting from an injury from a
fall, resulting from a cerebral infarction. Cerebral infarction
is the underlying cause of death. Multiple conditions cannot
be listed on 1 line in this section.
Time intervals: To the right of lines 107(A-D) are items
107(AT-DT) where the time intervals between the conditions
listed and the time of death are to be listed. The more precise
the time the better, but it is acceptable to estimate and
use terms such as “approximately.” If the time interval is
unknown and cannot be estimated, “unknown duration”
can be listed. Something must always be entered on these
lines next to the corresponding conditions; they cannot
be left blank.
PART II
Other significant conditions: Item 112 is where other ill-
nesses or conditions that may have contributed to the death,
but were not the direct cause of it, can be listed. Multiple
conditions may be listed here. There may be uncertainty as
to the direct or contributing causes of death, so it is up to the
physician to use his or her best medical judgment as to the
most likely causes and sequences contributing to death.

My neighbor is "only" a druggist but one of the smartest people I know about medicines and general health. I trust his assessment.

I have no doubt that covid deaths were over reported (with that much economic incentive), I do not expect it to be statistically significant (more than single digit percent), but thats my personal WAG.

There are many hyperbolic headlines about this and I don't choose to go down that rabbit hole. This pandemic is almost over and we need to focus on the future.

I expect a declaration of victory during state of the union address in weeks.

JR

 

[crazydoc]

"My neighbor is "only" a druggist but one of the smartest people I know about medicines and general health. I trust his assessment."

I'm not disparaging the druggist. I'm saying the coroner had first hand information about the cause of death in this "asymptomatic" person, the son had second hand hand information from what he was told and apparently saw on the certificate, the druggist had third hand information from what his friend told him, you have fourth hand information from what the druggist told you, and now I have fifth hand information. To me it's worthless.

If Biden wants to take credit for this, that's fine. He deserves some credit for pushing the vaccinations and mitigation measures, and Trump deserves some credit for initiating and ramping up the shots. But the major credit goes to omicron for being less lethal and more infectious, getting our population and hopefully the world's on the brink of herd immunity.

Let's just hope for no significant new variant to fuck this up.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Three cheers for omicron...

The later stages of the Spanish flu pandemic also involved weaker variants so I remain optimistic.

JR

 

[Tubetec]

According to the head of virology at UCD there are other variants doing the rounds already .
Not much in the way of information other than they have detected it.

 

[ccaudle]

Three cheers for omicron...

The later stages of the Spanish flu pandemic also involved weaker variants so I remain optimistic.

JR

The 4th wave in 1920 killed more people in NYC than the 1st and 3rd waves, so I guess it depends on what you mean by "later stages."
1918 flu fourth wave article

But that article does make the same point as you, that eventually it died out, but you can still find genetic traces of that 1918 variant in influenza variants decades later. Perhaps this omicron wave is somewhat analogous to that 4th wave in 1920.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Did anybody notice how few were wearing masks at last nights SOTU assembly. I am also seeing more faces at NBA games, super bowl, etc.

Kyrie Irving still can't play home games in NYC, while unvaccinated fans are allowed to watch?

JR

 

[user 41968]

https://emeralddb3.substack.com/p/fox-news-and-newsmax-took-biden-money?s=r

Let me add another personal detail: I was contacted by top Newsmax executives and told to halt any negative coverage of the vaccines in 2021. I was told that “it was problematic” for Newsmax. I was given some version of this warning multiple times by multiple executives. Obviously, I did not heed their advice.

Of course, almost everyone else employed in the corporate media did keep their mouths shut. I discussed the outright ban on negative vaccine coverage with other Newsmax producers and top anchors at the time, and they were aware that they could not provide negative coverage of the news vaccines without repercussions from the network. I was contacted by PR experts who worked with Newsmax and was told that medical experts and doctors who might say negative things about the new vaccines would not be booked as guests at all.

In other words, the Biden Administration’s money did not just pay for pro-vaccine advertising at outlets like Fox and Newsmax: it paid for an outright ban on any negative coverage. There’s a word for that kind of thing, and the word is: propaganda. Corporate news executives with no medical training and no expertise began to make ludicrous announcements that were basically blanket endorsements of the deadly and untested vaccines.

 

[Tubetec]

Well , If im to believe what Im told is true , lets call it close variants of the 1918 strain popped up from time to time over the last 100 years, but other weird diseases also , there seems to be a preponderance around military facilities for some reason , then again theres persuasive arguments the 1918 originated not in Spain at all .

 

[Tubetec]

Reflecting on my interactions last night with Doc , without having re-read them today , I probably do owe an apollogy for finger pointing , were all just cogs on wheels within wheels after all ,
scuse my pig , he's a friend :-(

 

[user 41968]

https://hillmd.substack.com/p/excess-mortality-up-84-in-millennials?s=r

 

[crazydoc]

Global COVID-19 deaths may be triple official reports: study​

​

Findings​

Although reported COVID-19 deaths between Jan 1, 2020, and Dec 31, 2021, totalled 5·94 million worldwide, we estimate that 18·2 million (95% uncertainty interval 17·1–19·6) people died worldwide because of the COVID-19 pandemic (as measured by excess mortality) over that period.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)02796-3/fulltext

 

[JohnRoberts]

It seems we've had this conversation before but there are lots of obvious, and unobvious negative public health consequences from delayed or postponed indefinitely health care.

Then there are fentanyl poisonings (they have seized thousands of pounds of the stuff ) that only takes a couple milligrams to kill us.

Then there are suicides.

Then there are homicides.

There are many ways to die these days, besides the Covid.

JR