crazydoc
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Covid and OD's.
Deaths from climate change
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Covid and OD's.
I am inclined to think of fentanyl deaths as poisonings rather than drug overdoses, but it can be difficult to parse (the root causes seem pretty apparent).
There are many deaths that show up in all cause mortality coincidental to the pandemic caused by postponed or cancelled medical tests/treatments.
The lesson if any is to look for ways to get LE back on its former trajectory (increasing LE over time).
Sadly we have multiple trends moving in the wrong direction today, not just LE.
no bueno...
JR
PS; Almost every suggestion in Lomborg's book "best things first" could impact LE favorably, while the west has enough resources that we can't use that excuse easily.
sorry I did not mean to accuse you of being judgmental, just that personal health is difficult. Just about everybody knows things that they are doing wrong.
I know that I could afford to lose some weight but that is easier said than done... I eat good foods just too much good food and good beer, and not enough exercise since my knee went all arthritic on me (years ago).
It can be hard to listen to mainstream health and dietary advice mainly disseminated through TV commercials. A huge joke IMO are the fruit and vegetable capsules that promise the same benefits as eating real fruits and real vegetables. For that to be true the capsules would have to be the size of your fist (to hold all that fiber).
In years past there were exercise machines that promised they required almost no effort at all
... but that was too hard for many, so now they have exercise machines with motors inside them to move your feet on the pedals for you. 
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I am encouraged by a few things. 1) GLP-1 antagonists that appear successful at down regulating human appetite. Weight loss can pretty much wipe out metabolic syndrome (type II diabetes), not to mention a lot of heart disease. Even cancer is aggravated by eating too much food. 2) short wavelength UV light (far UVc) can kill germs while not harming humans. 3) better diet and health education.... sure why not?
The bad news is that effective appetite medicine is still too expensive (for me) but over time I expect that price to come way down. It is a huge potential market. Next the short wavelength UV light is still only available from expensive excimer lasers, but the IC makers are pedaling as fast as they can to make far UVc LEDs.
I'm not holding my breath for either of these two developments to happen soon, but I remain optimistic that they will happen eventually.
JR
PS: What does this have to do with deaths from climate change?
I know that I could afford to lose some weight but that is easier said than done... I eat good foods just too much good food and good beer, and not enough exercise since my knee went all arthritic on me (years ago).
It can be hard to listen to mainstream health and dietary advice mainly disseminated through TV commercials. A huge joke IMO are the fruit and vegetable capsules that promise the same benefits as eating real fruits and real vegetables. For that to be true the capsules would have to be the size of your fist (to hold all that fiber).
In years past there were exercise machines that promised they required almost no effort at all
... but that was too hard for many, so now they have exercise machines with motors inside them to move your feet on the pedals for you. ===
I am encouraged by a few things. 1) GLP-1 antagonists that appear successful at down regulating human appetite. Weight loss can pretty much wipe out metabolic syndrome (type II diabetes), not to mention a lot of heart disease. Even cancer is aggravated by eating too much food. 2) short wavelength UV light (far UVc) can kill germs while not harming humans. 3) better diet and health education.... sure why not?
The bad news is that effective appetite medicine is still too expensive (for me) but over time I expect that price to come way down. It is a huge potential market. Next the short wavelength UV light is still only available from expensive excimer lasers, but the IC makers are pedaling as fast as they can to make far UVc LEDs.
I'm not holding my breath for either of these two developments to happen soon, but I remain optimistic that they will happen eventually.
JR
PS: What does this have to do with deaths from climate change?
Speaking of choline.... I used to use Lecithin in a healthy snack recipe years ago.
Lecithin is a precursor for choline. Maybe I need to dust off that old recipe.
JR
Lecithin is a precursor for choline. Maybe I need to dust off that old recipe.
JR
That probably doesn't help. However, it's not an explanation why the stats for women dying while giving birth also are getting worse. And the USA is the only country where that's happening...
And life expectancy in the USA has been going down from way before COVID.
I got to see some images from Philadelphia's homeless. It's incomprehensible that a wealthy, modern society can't solve this. Let's hope the housing market will cave in (it's already happening), since the prices of housing compared to wages is atrocious.
The fentanyl problem is out of control along with meth heads. There are solutions for family’s with bad luck problems but many homeless don’t want a home they want drugs or they are mentally ill and off of the meds they should be taking. As far as house prices, Wall Street has decided to put money in assets rather than keep it in cash. (“You will own nothing and you will be happy” NOT.) The government can’t raise taxes on voters so they use debt creating high inflation as a hidden tax. It is a threatening spiral.
I think it's a bit simplistic to blame the Fentanyl crisis for all problems.
If a person who works a simple job, for near to minimum wages, can't afford rent, they will be homeless. I mean, in what society does a working person need to rely on food stamps to get by?
Needless to say, the unemployed are even worse off. And those with health problems suffer even more.
The same happens with the homeless over here. Some don't want help. But at least, the help is available for those who want it. That social safety net doesn't even exist in the USA. And, yes, I know very well how expensive that is. I'm in the middle of that budget, trying to find a way to get more out of it.
That's why people who adhere to the adagium "There are plenty of opportunities for those who want to work", make me sick. That level of not caring is simply inhumane. They are the propaganda droids for the 1% who are so rich they can buy your government. And that's exactly what they do.
The USA has stopped being a democracy in the last century. It's a corporation, a business. Peddling as much weapons as possible. Your govt isn't even capable of keeping drug prices at a reasonable level. The care for human beings has been replaced with a playground for the extremely rich. It used to be different.
It's funny you mention Wall Street. There used to be a wall there. A wall to keep the unwanted out. The unwanted were the slaves that were freed and the native inhabitants of America. Needless to say walls don't work. So it ended in a mass killing. That seems to be the one solution that always ends problems...
If a person who works a simple job, for near to minimum wages, can't afford rent, they will be homeless. I mean, in what society does a working person need to rely on food stamps to get by?
Needless to say, the unemployed are even worse off. And those with health problems suffer even more.
The same happens with the homeless over here. Some don't want help. But at least, the help is available for those who want it. That social safety net doesn't even exist in the USA. And, yes, I know very well how expensive that is. I'm in the middle of that budget, trying to find a way to get more out of it.
That's why people who adhere to the adagium "There are plenty of opportunities for those who want to work", make me sick. That level of not caring is simply inhumane. They are the propaganda droids for the 1% who are so rich they can buy your government. And that's exactly what they do.
The USA has stopped being a democracy in the last century. It's a corporation, a business. Peddling as much weapons as possible. Your govt isn't even capable of keeping drug prices at a reasonable level. The care for human beings has been replaced with a playground for the extremely rich. It used to be different.
It's funny you mention Wall Street. There used to be a wall there. A wall to keep the unwanted out. The unwanted were the slaves that were freed and the native inhabitants of America. Needless to say walls don't work. So it ended in a mass killing. That seems to be the one solution that always ends problems...
no but fentanyl is the leading cause of death for people 18-45 YO, while the news is talking about the death of a 1 YO in a Bronx day care.
The only minimum wage jobs I ever held was back in the 1960s during HS summer vacation.
As usual it isn't quite that simple... There are perverse economic incentives encouraging many to stay high while living in the streets.
sorry
JR
The numbers went down way before Fentanyl was available.
I don't think I ever worked for minimum wage, even as a student, doing dishes. But that was then. This is now and our curriculum is hardly relevant, is it?
Ah, yes, the usual lie that providing the homeless with some funds or some form of help makes it worse. I suppose tolerating prostitution is one of these "perverse" incentives?
The example of one of the Swiss cities (sorry, forgot which one exactly) that had a heroin-addicts problem in the past century learned us two things:
- It is possible to help, it's not even expensive or difficult. In fact, doing nothing costs more.
- no solution is eternal.
Just like Portugal had to revise their handling of heroin addicts, caused by the war in Angola, decades later. Turning addiction into a medical problem, not a legal, got rid of most of the criminality that came with addiction. It also saved lives.
One of the obvious problems is that if you implement a good solution, it's bound to draw in more addicts from other places. That shouldn't stop us, should it?
What has been done for the homeless in Philly? And how do you control the evident medical problem?
The above isn't an attack, nor an insult. It's an honest question...
It's not as if Europe is immune to the Fentanyl problem. Kilos have been confiscated recently in Holland and Spain, fi. So far, only a few deaths, either accidental when handling the product, or suicide. Obviously, overdose victims will follow. And that's another harrowing question: Does Fentanyl result in more homeless people? Or is a rise in homelessness producing more addicts?
Funny. Freud's nephew, Edward Bernays started all of this. He's the "inventor" of propaganda. He's also the guy who schooled Joseph Goebbels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
Of course, "Net Zero" is absurd. It's a slogan. Simple, clear, absolute. It's a goal for those who aren't interested in the nitty-gritty details. Like MAGA. It's goal is division. Forcing people to take sides.
He's not too well informed on the tech side. Lithium isn't the big thing the media are painting it. Toyota (not so interested in EVs until recently) has a solid battery ready that solves two problems: fire hazard and rare raw materials. I haven't seen the details, but what is known is quite different from what EVs have today. Then there are supercaps. Hardly been in the mainstream media, but evolving slowly.
And he doesn't even touch problem number one: the fact that the big corporations own our governments.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Bernays
Of course, "Net Zero" is absurd. It's a slogan. Simple, clear, absolute. It's a goal for those who aren't interested in the nitty-gritty details. Like MAGA. It's goal is division. Forcing people to take sides.
He's not too well informed on the tech side. Lithium isn't the big thing the media are painting it. Toyota (not so interested in EVs until recently) has a solid battery ready that solves two problems: fire hazard and rare raw materials. I haven't seen the details, but what is known is quite different from what EVs have today. Then there are supercaps. Hardly been in the mainstream media, but evolving slowly.
And he doesn't even touch problem number one: the fact that the big corporations own our governments.
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I just finished reading Lomborg's book, "Best things First" and he presents 15 chapters detailing compelling arguments for much better things for the world to do with our finite resources than worry about climate change a century from now.
Further a lot of the chapters show projects with more than 10x cost/benefit payback that could help pay for the government's green obsession.
JR
Further a lot of the chapters show projects with more than 10x cost/benefit payback that could help pay for the government's green obsession.
JR
I'm still not sure why this is different from, say, acid rain. Science reported it, the world fixed it. Same for the hole in the ozone layer, lead in petrol and a lot of other things.
Cutting back CO2 might not be what's needed. After all, plants need CO2 to grow. Cutting back methane emissions, otoh, certainly is.
Could it be we're screwed because propaganda can't be used for anything good? That's the main difference I see with previous problems and their solutions.
Cutting back CO2 might not be what's needed. After all, plants need CO2 to grow. Cutting back methane emissions, otoh, certainly is.
Could it be we're screwed because propaganda can't be used for anything good? That's the main difference I see with previous problems and their solutions.
Acid rain and Ozone layer were not presented as existential world ending threats.
Lomborg is just presenting better things to do with our massive spending.
JR
Acid rain and Ozone layer were not presented as existential world ending threats.
They were never hyped as existential threats, but anyone who knows a bit about biology could see the ending...
It's about the same with climate change. In the USA, the slogan is "zero emissions", over here, we have "low emission zones". Anybody with half a brain knows zero emissions isn't possible. Doesn't mean we shouldn't try. There's still sulphur in the atmosphere, mostly from chem industry and volcanic eruptions, but that has always been there. As long as it stays low, it isn't a problem.
The real issues is what is the sensible response to this hypothetical threat.
My sense is that the anti-fossil fuel policy does more harm to more people than any climate change. The world can use that wasted wealth to adapt as needed.
JR
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But we were energy independent under Trump, and then Biden policies decimated the energy industry!
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