but there is a concerted effort to influence the public with scary (exaggerated) scenarios about the future of our planet.It's kinda hard to do anything without influencing something...
This is the new climate change hot take? That the idea of climate change is worse than climate change itself?Scaring the sierra out of our young children who are already struggling with enough uncertainty already due to substandard classroom environments, seems like an unintended consequence worth actively avoiding. Some might argue it is malpractice. Children should be a priority not collateral damage, or tools to be pointed at their parents to sway them for political ends.
it is in fact not new, but properly stated the "government response to climate change can easily be worse than effects of climate change". Making energy more expensive will harm (kill?) more poor people around the world than any hypothetical long term benefit to mother earth. I could recommend some authoritative books on the subject but IIRC I'm pretty sure I already have.This is the new climate change hot take? That the idea of climate change is worse than climate change itself?
I think accidents are leading COD for that age group.WWW said:Suicide is the second-leading cause of death among people age 15 to 24 in the U.S. Nearly 20% of high school students report serious thoughts of suicide and 9% have made an attempt to take their lives, according to the National Alliance on Mental Illness.
For emissions targets to be met by 2030, drastic society-changing events will have to take place within the next eight years. The very fabric of our current trade system and the global supply chain will have to be torn to shreds and replaced with an exceedingly limited production model. Not only that, but the human population would have to be reduced by billions. This model will be artificially contained within arbitrary climate guidelines set by unelected governing bodies in the name of stopping environmental changes that have not been proven to be caused by human beings at all. What it accomplishes is the formation of an authoritarian framework, one that the globalists will say is “environmentally justified.”
I challenge you to a game of "whataboutism". We'll see who comes up with more instances.There are even some wingnuts slicing SUV tires "to save the planet".
but there is a concerted effort to influence the public with scary (exaggerated) scenarios about the future of our planet.
Scaring the sierra out of our young children who are already struggling with enough uncertainty already due to substandard classroom environments, seems like an unintended consequence worth actively avoiding. Some might argue it is malpractice. Children should be a priority not collateral damage, or tools to be pointed at their parents to sway them for political ends.
JR
The earth warming is an objective fact that nobody (?) disputes. As I have shared that is the hook for a fast thinking/slow thinking logical trap. A) The earth is warming (truth), B) therefore we must ....... stop driving cars (unproved) or whatever over the top remedy offered without critical analysis.Just as in the pandemic, we can all believe that which is most convenient, not necessarily that which is reality. For me, reality is the increase in energy trapping by mother earth, and that increased energy will have effects, some apparent already and some which we cannot guess yet. But reality is that earth is heating up, for whatever reasons, and where it will end is anybody's guess, but I for one doubt it will be beneficial to humans.
Thanks while that is only looking at one or two variables, global climate is far more complex, but that is not the actual point of disagreement. The issue is what do we do about the earth warming that is an objective fact? Too severe of a remedy will do far more harm than allowing it to warm a couple degrees over the next century. Lomborg even puts numbers on the GDP growth cost from different climate mitigation strategies. There is a modest GDP growth cost to doing nothing. The heavy lifting involves figuring out the right balance. A full press attack on the fossil fuel industry like we are now experiencing will clearly do more harm than good.Plain Language Summary
Climate is determined by how much of the sun's energy the Earth absorbs and how much energy Earth sheds through emission of thermal infrared radiation. Their sum determines whether Earth heats up or cools down. Continued increases in concentrations of well-mixed greenhouse gasses in the atmosphere and the long time-scales time required for the ocean, cryosphere, and land to come to thermal equilibrium with those increases result in a net gain of energy, hence warming, on Earth. Most of this excess energy (about 90%) warms the ocean, with the remainder heating the land, melting snow and ice, and warming the atmosphere. Here we compare satellite observations of the net radiant energy absorbed by Earth with a global array of measurements used to determine heating within the ocean, land and atmosphere, and melting of snow and ice. We show that these two independent approaches yield a decadal increase in the rate of energy uptake by Earth from mid-2005 through mid-2019, which we attribute to decreased reflection of energy back into space by clouds and sea-ice and increases in well-mixed greenhouse gases and water vapor.
https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1029/2021GL093047
There's not, John.
No, there's a concerted effort with obvious bias.There's some sensationalism in the press. Clickbait. But that's true for most things the press deems noteworthy.
We don't let teenagers vote for good reason. Even young adults lack life experience which makes it difficult for them to judge current events. I don't know how old you are, but I cringe when I look back at some things I absolutely believed when I was in my 20s. At that age you really don't know what you don't know.Believe me, most young people don't need to be scared. They know very well how bad things are. What does drive them nuts, on occasion, are the old folk who don't seem to be able to see the problem.
I've been to beaches in FL, SC, NC, ME, CA, OR over my 56 trips around the sun and haven't seen any significant sea level change. Obviously people like Obama and Zuckerberg aren't worried or they wouldn't have spent tens of millions on seaside mansions/properties. I believe it was JR who used to say "watch their feet not their lips" or something to that effect.Anyone who observes nature, will have seen strong changes in their lifetime. Wether these are manmade, is another story. But from those I've personally seen happen, around 99% were manmade.
Be ready to grow your own.While you guys argue esoteric "intellectual" BS your food and energy are being deliberately cut off.
Come and take it.You are being culled from the "herd."
YOU are the carbon they want to eliminate.
I am. Klaus' fancy Klingon outfit doesn't impress me.Wake the hell up.
When working up in St Augustine it was fascinating to see the Army Corps of Engineers' dredging project that went on for many months 24/7. They have huge dredgers that take sand from intercoastals miles away and pump tons of sand along the beaches. Crazy to see the 15' high x 50'-100'+ deep sand disappear within several months when visiting later. I was talking with a local cleaning lady and she was telling me it happens every several years. They come in and do the same thing. Wonder how widespread this is.I've been to beaches in FL, SC, NC, ME, CA, OR over my 56 trips around the sun and haven't seen any significant sea level change. Obviously people like Obama and Zuckerberg aren't worried or they wouldn't have spent tens of millions on seaside mansions/properties.
Wasn’t it some guy named Fisher that built all the ultra rich islands with bridges and gated entrances around Miami back in the 20s and 30s. His line was,” wine-em dine-em and sign-em”. As he created real estate in the bay. Those houses have been at the same elevation level for 100 years.Crazy to see the 15' high x 50'-100'+ deep sand disappear
Yeah... There are some really old houses right on the beaches. The one I was at was like working on a boat before the dredging happened. You'd look out the windows and all you could see was water even at low tide. After the dredging, you could see plenty of beach. It was wild. Just fascinating and curious what they are doing and how widespread it is....Those houses have been at the same elevation level for 100 years.
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