DaveP said:
I can see where you are trying to go with this, so I will explain the difference.
The Savile and the BBC debacle have finally made celebrities accountable and the bad Catholic priests have done enormous damage to the reputation of the Church worldwide. These crimes are just as bad but they have no cultural element to them, other than they thought they were above the law. Celebrities and priests were not brought up in an alien culture, they should have known better.
Huh? Celebrities and entertainment and religion aren't part of what make up a culture? I have a hard time thinking of things that make a bigger difference, culturally. Food certainly doesn't qualify.
DaveP said:
What has happened in Rochdale and other places is different because it affects the relationship between two races who have been living side by side, but not in an integrated way.
Yeah, it does, but it's everybody's choice whether or not to see that race. I don't. I don't think it's relevant. We all get to choose every time we meet a new person, or talk about someone; we can note the race and make a thing out of it, or we can ignore it.
DaveP said:
These Asian men of Pakistani dual nationality are Muslims who have decided that young white girls who have been in social care, (after family break-down) are fair game. Although their religion prohibits child sexual exploitation, their culture, which they have brought with them, does not.
Yes, the culture of people who think they're above the law, and who think women and children are worth less than men, and who think they aren't going to get caught, and who are mentally ill (probably for physical reasons). And all of that applies to the Catholic priests and celebs who get away with it.
In addition, this culture you're talking about, does that include women and children as well? I'm pretty sure it doesn't. I'm pretty sure it's isolated to these defective humans. Just like it is in our western society among ethnic westerners. It's a subset of the population consisting of disgusting, physically defective men, it's not even all men.
DaveP said:
It is the clash of cultures rather than the actual race issue which is the problem.
Fair enough. But the criticism against people pointing out race is that people point out race and then jump to talking about culture. The two aren't the same. And that's why I think a lot of time the criticism is justified. Look at Europe right now and you'll see plenty of criticism that quickly leaps to what is essentially actual racism.
For example, in Sweden the tone has hardened something crazy, and it certainly was anti-immigration in nature. Of course, the immigration that was resisted was that of those who weren't "like us". But the problem is that it starts out as "too expensive" or whatever, and then it quickly moves to lack of integration, but if you look at the root of the biggest anti-immigration party and their basic ideology it's clearly racist. They inevitably end up acknowledging that "Swedish" is a "thing". And, Jews for example, aren't. Neither are the people up north, the ones that were there before the more recent immigrants that became "real" Swedes. So, when people call them "racists" when they promote their agenda, it's for good reason. That was my point. Sometimes it's dressed up like a dog, but actually is a duck, and that's why it's called a duck, because we've seen it without its disguise many times.
DaveP said:
One would have expected immigrants to have some respect for the host country, not exploit its most vulnerable people. This abuse of hospitality is not just a cause for offence in the western world, it is an especially severe crime in Muslim/Arab cultures too. You know this to be true. The events in Cologne at the new year celebrations further show the divide about how women are viewed in these cultures.
It's more than a bit of a stretch to expect people who are so screwed up they're raping women and/or children (or aiding in it) to respect a host country. They're already damaged. Know what I mean? I wouldn't expect it. I would expect them to be problematic, period. Perhaps it can be treated, perhaps not. What's more whatever part of this that isn't purely physical we'll quite frankly probably have to expect to get. War has an effect on people. People that suffered war that are now suffering from it bring that with them.
And of course I agree that the view of women is decades behind in the Mid East. I don't dispute that at all. But there's a difference between women being submissive / men running things and on the other hand panting an entire culture as being the cause of rapes.
