Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 (2017 model) dead line out

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No, I'm talking about connecting a battery pack to the Scarlett's DC power jack.

Not applicable to the 2i2; I didn't realize it doesn't have a DC jack - it was just a general comment about another power option for units that can be powered by USB or external supply.
 
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It's probably a fault and not normal function, but my old Saffire Pro 14 Firewire interface produces a faint HF whine when bus powered - have to use with ext power. It's only on the analog outs, not on anything recorded with it.
 
No, I'm talking about connecting a battery pack to the Scarlett's DC power jack.

Not applicable to the 2i2; I didn't realize it doesn't have a DC jack - it was just a general comment about another power option for units that can be powered by USB or external supply.
What voltage is your Scarlet interface powered from?
 
UR NOT MY MOM.
No, I'm not thank goodness, I'm sure you were annoying to her as well.
With your pestering attitude I shouldn't answer your question now that I have the data.

But as a courtesy to the rest of the members here they are:

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The Focusrite 2i2 output is feeding an unbalanced consumer preamp.
The measurement sample is taken from the headphone out as a matter of convenience.
There are numerous pieces of bench equipment connected to the preamp all RCA connections e.g. additional converters, a tuner etc.
One of those converters, a Roland Quad Capture, is also connected to USB on the same computer and preamp. So we're seeing its' USB hash contribution too.
The monitor level is set at death-defying level so there's lots of gain.
The same Focusrite 2i2's A/D is sampling the headphone output.

The blue trace is without the iDefender which has direct connection to the USB port and USB bus power.
The green trace is with the iDefender using an external Meanwell power supply and the iDefender's USB power injector.

The peaks at 7 and 16kHz(?) are about the same level in both - the green trace overlays the blue as it was recorded last.
When AudioTester is running the FFT I hear the noise signature change and that is likely causing the peaks - particularly when using the iDefender - to increase in the last octave or two.
Improve what? I bet if you test it there is no real improvement, and certainly no audible improvement.
It's 20 dB quieter, in this case, with the iDefender.
As I said your mileage may vary.

Balanced measurements look far, far better when I use the 2i2 on the test bench and don't have this dirty of a noise floor signature.

I think a lot of what we hear in USB-based converter idle channel noise is not in-band noise but modulated RF on the data lines and internal out-of-band noise being rectified and folded back in-band. I think that's why we see the overall noise floor rise. It damn sure sounds noisier.
 
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The 2i2's output feeds the unbalanced preamp input.
Since what I hear is through the preamp I sampled its headphone output to apply lots of monitor gain and make it interact with the various ground paths through the system. I could have used the preamp output to the power amp but I really didn't want to crawl under the bench.

It's a comparative measurement.
The difference in traces is nothing more than the presence or absence of the iDefender in a system with lots if audio I/O and USB cables to various devices.
It's about as practical example as you can get.

If I were to do a loopback test of the 2i2 in complete isolation I doubt the iDefender would make any difference.
The iDefender is nothing more than a USB ground loop breaker and external power injector.
It's not magic pixie dust for USB signaling and it won't make a converter quieter connected in isolation.
 
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A heads-up for anyone looking at a Gen 3 2i2: they don't support loopback

The generic support info suggests they do but only the higher-tier ones (6i6, etc) do
 
I'm guessing it's the internal feature of being able to record whatever's being sent out to the outputs.
 
Loopback in this context is the ability to record an output by looping it back to an input so it can be routed internally in the interface. Useful, for example, to record off a CD or Youtube to your DAW

On a Mac you can use software like Soundflower to work around do this but it's a lot quicker & easier with an interface that supports it directly
 
The issue with the lipo cells is there around 4.2v charged , its a bit shy for a 5v USB rail ,
If you use two cells your going to need to regulate down , that might cause extra noise , or waste power .
4 Nicad cells is the obvious choice , there usually topped off to around 1.45v on charge , they drop back to around 1.25v off charge , there is of course the inevitable drop off of the voltage as they discharge , but the USB spec should work down to at least 4.5v , Im not sure the minimum allowable , that might vary from device to device ,

Maybe the single lipo cell would work with the modern mini usb dongle dacs we find nowdays ,
Im going to make a native multitank reverb for my Mac pro , a handfull of USB C Apple headset adapters , each driving and recovering a spring tank , the tiny signal output from the tank as the reverb tails fade away we dont want corrupted with computer garbage , fuzz ,buzz , honk , zipper noises etc
A section of steel pipe can house everything and should keep any magnetically radiated fuzzley wuzzley completely out of the mix, If you do it right its just white noise in the backround after the spring settles .
 
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