Insurrection and running for office

[JohnRoberts]

You can't change the mind of a true believer. There is already a preponderance of evidence that many are ignoring. Being found guilty in a court of law won't change anything, it will only strengthen the true believers view that the system is out to get him.

the game at play seems to be framing ex-president Trump as evil. Then its ok to do whatever it takes, including ignoring the rules to cancel him.

Speaking of Godwin's Law, I kind of enjoyed this from Godwin himself:

https://wapo.st/3tCR3ok

I expect you did.... doc already made the reference obliquely.

JR

 

[Matador]

One question is which court even gets to decide this? Is this a state issue or a federal one? It's a federal amendment yet states should also have the leeway to conduct elections as they see fit.

This is interesting, in that Colorado's SC is making a statement about how the 14th amendment applies to governing state law. In theory, that is the last stop, and SCOTUS has nothing further to say. If I had to guess, SCOTUS will try to change how Colorado interpreted the definitions of either a) if the presidency is an "office under the United States", or b) what "insurrection or rebellion" means.

 

[crazydoc]

Speaking of Godwin's Law, I kind of enjoyed this from Godwin himself:

https://wapo.st/3tCR3ok

I agree with Godwin that the law has been used in the past mainly as hyperbole, but there is now more concern about the potential emergence of an American fascist state.
I think that attempts to remove the guy from ballots will only solidify opinions, and I can only hope that to avoid disaster the vermin will outvote the basket of deplorables.

 

[CJ]

if you were going to prove that Jan.6 was Not an insurrection, what would your argument be?

 

[Tubetec]

God spare America , from its own devices .

 

[Tubetec]

lighting the fuse at both ends there , the rest of the world ends up fucked along with .

 

[Tubetec]

 

[JohnRoberts]

lighting the fuse at both ends there , the rest of the world ends up fucked along with .

enjoy the show, the derangement is strong....

JR

 

[Matador]

if you were going to prove that Jan.6 was Not an insurrection, what would your argument be?

There really isn't any counter-argument. I'm guessing SCOTUS won't address this: if anything, they'll invent some new determination that section 3 doesn't apply to the President via some invented test.

 

[Brian Roth]

I thought I would avoid this thread....but it's interesting how "hair-splitting" comes into play.

https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-oath-support-constitution-colorado-insurrection-1847482
Bri

 

[pucho812]

if you were going to prove that Jan.6 was Not an insurrection, what would your argument be?

Self guided tours of the capital

 

[jabe]

I think that attempts to remove the guy from ballots will only solidify opinions, and I can only hope that to avoid disaster the vermin will outvote the basket of deplorables.

Don't know about that. Even aside from the notion that the Constitution should be applied regardless of whom dislikes it, I can't imagine those opinions are not rock-solid already. He was already outvoted, this issue is about whether his attempts to circumvent the results should have ramifications per the 14th.

if you were going to prove that Jan.6 was Not an insurrection, what would your argument be?

While it isn't incumbent on the defense to prove a negative, I'll again note that in Colorado neither the defense nor dissenting judges disputed that January 6 plus the fake elector scheme (can't leave that out!) qualified as insurrection, as was established during trial. Theoretically that isn't even the question before SCOTUS. Theoretically...

 

[hodad]

the game at play seems to be framing ex-president Trump as evil. Then its ok to do whatever it takes, including ignoring the rules to cancel him.

The game at play on the Trump side seems to be to ignore the extensive of evidence of his miscellaneous wrongdoings and to pretend he's some kind of martyr. There's a lot of clearcut evidence against the man, and mountains of circumstantial evidence; on occasion, there are his own admissions of guilt. Obviously, that's not enough to convince Trump true believers, which is sort of sad.

 

[JohnRoberts]

The game at play on the Trump side seems to be to ignore the extensive of evidence of his miscellaneous wrongdoings and to pretend he's some kind of martyr. There's a lot of clearcut evidence against the man, and mountains of circumstantial evidence; on occasion, there are his own admissions of guilt. Obviously, that's not enough to convince Trump true believers, which is sort of sad.

Ironically your team is the one making him look like a victim, despite being a wealthy, old white businessman....

If I could read his mind like you, I would expect that he appreciates your help.

JR

 

[hodad]

If I could read his mind like you,

There's a lot of clearcut evidence against the man, and mountains of circumstantial evidence; on occasion, there are his own admissions of guilt.

Evidence and admissions of guilt do not require mindreading. Please do not misrepresent my words.

 

[CJ]

It seems apparent that Colorado and Maine are worried about the voters ability to make a mentally sound decision.

 

[fallout]

It seems apparent that Colorado and Maine are worried about the voters ability to make a mentally sound decision.

That's one way to look at it.

 

[CJ]

Looks like an oathkeeper got out of jail and shot up the CO court house,

 

[pucho812]

Looks like an oathkeeper got out of jail and shot up the CO court house,

Police believe this incident to be unrelated to their decision to Barr trump from the primaries.
Very little details about Brandon Olsen the shooter in question. This usually means he doesn’t fit their standard right wing but narrative.

 

[lassoharp]

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the game at play seems to be framing ex-president Trump as evil. Then its ok to do whatever it takes, including ignoring the rules to cancel him.


I expect you did.... doc already made the reference obliquely.

JR

Game? Did it occur to you that it is not a game - and that they are trying to hold him accountable for his criminal actions through due process of law, just like they do every other person who breaks the law? When did doing this become a "game" involving "framing"? 90+ felony charges so far. . .

Exactly what "rules" are being ignored? (and are you conflating rules with laws?)

Your comment sounds like the Low IQ conspiracy babble that has disturbingly become the norm for far too many since 2016. Surely I'm mistaken here and reading your comment out of context?