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Because Flake flipped after he said he would still vote for Kavanaugh, changing the vote count.living sounds said:
Flake was troubled by two female sexual assault victims screaming at him in the elevator, just before.
Lets try not to make this about me (please). I am cynical about all politicians. Just no point talking about the few I agree with.
They spend years practicing their "sincere" face... (sincere is latin for "without wax"... a claim of lacking artifice). Something i would never say about politicians. I have been coached about body language for public speaking related to my last day job, it is real but probably not infallible.
If you think a 15 second snippet reveals the full truth you might be surprised by how much effort politicians put into engineering those photo-ops/sound bites (both parties do, because apparently many people who don't or can't get the full story are influenced by them).
Watch what politicians do, not what they look like they feel. :
It was likely no accident that those women were on Flake's elevator. Even with only 100 senators they can't resist grabbing the spotlight alone when opportunity presents. Flake is going to be on 60 minutes this weekend, again national media exposure building name recognition for a future POTUS run (speculation). I will share my opinion of his chances of being on 60 minutes if he didn't flip to the democrat position (how about zero). JR
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How would Flake ever get to a majority of votes for a POTUS run? Democrats won't vote for him because of this one week delay (his voting record in the Senate is far to the right) and the GOP nutbase now must consider him a traitor. He's retiring and that will likely be the end of his political career. Maybe I will stand corrected in 2-3 years, but it is very unlikely.
After the politics of the two extremes burns out, people look to the centre again. What better than a republican with a democratic heart who listens to the cry of distressed women, that's around 50% for starters. Sorry, I'm with JR on this one, he was in no hurry to leave that elevator.
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Sure, most of them. I've known a lot of them. Same goes for artists, musicians, writers. Mental health issues are no more rare than physical health issues. I wouldn't have a problem seeing an oncologist who had cancer as a child. I'm not sure what your point is.
You can't remember names, she can't remember dates. Seems like pretty much the same thing to me. Selective memory due to a traumatic event.
Kavanaugh's dorm room. He and his buddies regularly puked in the bathroom, never bothered to clean it up. Other unsavory details as well.
It has a grim feel.
https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/kavanaugh-roommate-yale-dorm-room.html?utm_campaign=news-alert&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nuzzel
Unrelated: It's worth noting that few Republicans seem concerned that he displayed himself to be overtly partisan. I guess that's because while Republicans would prefer him to be covertly partisan, overt will do in a pinch.
One would also think that a guy who spouts crazy conspiracy theories (it's revenge for what he did to the Clintons!!) would not be a great candidate either, but the modern-day GOP is built on CT, so he just fits right in, I suppose.
It has a grim feel.
https://www.thecut.com/2018/09/kavanaugh-roommate-yale-dorm-room.html?utm_campaign=news-alert&utm_medium=email&utm_source=nuzzel
Unrelated: It's worth noting that few Republicans seem concerned that he displayed himself to be overtly partisan. I guess that's because while Republicans would prefer him to be covertly partisan, overt will do in a pinch.
One would also think that a guy who spouts crazy conspiracy theories (it's revenge for what he did to the Clintons!!) would not be a great candidate either, but the modern-day GOP is built on CT, so he just fits right in, I suppose.
How would a clownish reality TV star get elected???living sounds said:
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I tried to watch 60 minutes but after a few minutes of group hug and exploring feelings, I deleted the recording.
FWIW I used to watch 60 minutes decades ago to see what media was telling the low information public to "think" about events. Last night reminded me why I stopped watching it.
JR
PS; BTW, I haven't had much respect for Sir Paul, since he made a snarky comment while being shown the WH library saying something like "at least President Obama knows how to read"... I'll bet president Bush has read more books than several recent presidents combined. President Obama reportedly read something like 10 books a year, President Bush averaged two a week, and the Beatles "were" great.
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"I can unequivocally say that in denying the possibility that he ever blacked out from drinking, and in downplaying the degree and frequency of his drinking, Brett has not told the truth."
"The professor also said Judge Kavanaugh "was often belligerent and aggressive" when drunk."
Sounds exactly like the kind of person that would pin a girl to a bed aggressively and put his hand over her mouth. Exactly the type of guy I wouldn't exactly be defending.
"The professor also said Judge Kavanaugh "was often belligerent and aggressive" when drunk."
Sounds exactly like the kind of person that would pin a girl to a bed aggressively and put his hand over her mouth. Exactly the type of guy I wouldn't exactly be defending.
re blackouts: From Kavanaugh's "Su Ching" email series, he says, "Apologies for...growing aggressive after blowing still another game of dice (don't recall)."
So he doesn't recall growing aggressive? Could it be he blacked out from excessive drinking? Sure sounds like it.
But Brett Kavanaugh never blacks out from drinking-----right?
So he doesn't recall growing aggressive? Could it be he blacked out from excessive drinking? Sure sounds like it.
But Brett Kavanaugh never blacks out from drinking-----right?
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This debate about Kavanaugh is really showing the moral character of the nation and individuals. People are re-examining which tribe they want to belong to. Of course the diehards are dug in with their views.
The Kavanaugh hearing showed his expectations of privilege and his view that he should be above the system of justice he is supposedly best representative of
Being combative, argumentative with questions, and saying multiple trivial falsehoods. Let's remember this was the guy instrumental in the Clinton impeachment - pushing for sexually explicit questions to the President and driving for a impeachment conviction based on trivial falsehoods. The hypocrisy is pretty clear.
And the nation is seeing the view of right wingers on sexual assault. A survey by the economist asked Republicans if a sexual assault were proven, would it be disqualifying for Kavanaugh to be confirmed to the Supreme Court? 55% thought he should be confirmed even if proven. If there was any question before considering Trump's history.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/m6ng12ro4y/econTabReport.pdf
Raising a daughter I am disgusted with people that feel this way.
The news coming out about the Trump admin limiting the FBI investigation such that they are not even taking statements from Kavanaugh classmates (multiple reports of this) is going to delegitimize any findings at the end of the week.
The Kavanaugh hearing showed his expectations of privilege and his view that he should be above the system of justice he is supposedly best representative of
Being combative, argumentative with questions, and saying multiple trivial falsehoods. Let's remember this was the guy instrumental in the Clinton impeachment - pushing for sexually explicit questions to the President and driving for a impeachment conviction based on trivial falsehoods. The hypocrisy is pretty clear.
And the nation is seeing the view of right wingers on sexual assault. A survey by the economist asked Republicans if a sexual assault were proven, would it be disqualifying for Kavanaugh to be confirmed to the Supreme Court? 55% thought he should be confirmed even if proven. If there was any question before considering Trump's history.
https://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/m6ng12ro4y/econTabReport.pdf
Raising a daughter I am disgusted with people that feel this way.
The news coming out about the Trump admin limiting the FBI investigation such that they are not even taking statements from Kavanaugh classmates (multiple reports of this) is going to delegitimize any findings at the end of the week.
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JohnRoberts said:
I somehow don't think the Russians have a tape on Flake, or that he borred lot's of money money for shady deals from them...
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dmp said:
These right wingers make up a big chunk of the american public. These 'christians' could see nothing better than to nuke all the blacks, Palestinians and muslims to eternity for their evil behavior, while letting confirmed rapists into the supreme court in order to appease a leader that promises them big $ and even bigger nukes. In the name of Jesus y'all, nuke 'em all.
OK guys grow up and stop the hate speech.... Lets try to be civil and gentlemen.
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Let me say that I share many the sentiments expressed about Kavanaugh, I did not much care for him after watching him. However, even though you are angry you should not behave like a lynch mob.
Before someone is condemned they deserve a fair trial, no matter how guilty. The time for acrimony is after the verdict has been announced.
I would think that there are plenty of other right wing judges for Trump to choose from?
From this side of the pond, your president is starting to look effective, North Korea tamed, Nafta re-negotiated etc. He will be formidable in 20 20.
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Before someone is condemned they deserve a fair trial, no matter how guilty. The time for acrimony is after the verdict has been announced.
I would think that there are plenty of other right wing judges for Trump to choose from?
From this side of the pond, your president is starting to look effective, North Korea tamed, Nafta re-negotiated etc. He will be formidable in 20 20.
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DaveP said:
North Korea isn't tamed. They've just signed up, is my guess. If the guy would kill his own brother he'd turn on anyone in a second.
edit: ...and...when I saw the pictures of kim shaking hands with the leader of the south, the look on his face said "I can't believe these fools trust me!".
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Before a fair trial, how about a fair investigation? 90% of Kavanaugh's records from working in the US govt. have yet to be revealed to US Senators, much less the general public. And there have been efforts by the GOP to hamstring the FBI's investigation of the sexual assault charges. How that will play out is still cloudy.
And this is not a trial, it's a hearing. If he's approved, he's on the Supreme Court for life. Getting him impeached is a far greater challenge than keeping him off the bench in the first place--not that either is very simple. So the time to make our voices heard is now, not after it's done.
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I think it's impossible to really know the truth about this guy. Unfortunately in this age of social media anyone can be accused rightly or wrongly, and who can tell what really happened?
He's tainted as far as I'm concerned. But could another candidate be destroyed with similar allegations, whether true or not?
The state of our political system is a disgrace. I would not feel comfortable with this guy on the bench "for life" as you put it hodad. Disgusting.
He's tainted as far as I'm concerned. But could another candidate be destroyed with similar allegations, whether true or not?
The state of our political system is a disgrace. I would not feel comfortable with this guy on the bench "for life" as you put it hodad. Disgusting.
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"Scary time for young men in america". Hmm.
I suppose, if you're a young man that has issues with entitlement, aggression and drinking and when given the opportunity aggressively tries to shut a women up by putting your hand over her mouth, while you're sexually assaulting her for fun with a frat buddy.
Given this type of behavior indeed, I suppose you are facing difficult times ahead.
Again. Trump = Moron.
I suppose, if you're a young man that has issues with entitlement, aggression and drinking and when given the opportunity aggressively tries to shut a women up by putting your hand over her mouth, while you're sexually assaulting her for fun with a frat buddy.
Given this type of behavior indeed, I suppose you are facing difficult times ahead.
Again. Trump = Moron.
