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Tekay
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Don't know what it was use for but I think it was an output amp? TG12367 / 307 iss4.
A few years ago someone sold a bunch of EMI pcb's at E-bay, the auction contained VERY good pics of both sides of the pcb's, even color codes of the resistors was readable. I was outbidded but I've saved the pics!
John! Any chance you can upload the EMI info you "dare" to share without trouble somewhere so It's easier to read?
One day when and if I find a time I will reverse engineer the TG-1 just to see how it was done!
Learner
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[quote author="soundguy"]learner-
the only thing that makes these things desirable is the fact that they are rare and if you ever wanted to use one, you basically had to book time at EMI to use them, this stuff was never packaged in a retail form. Folks, thats it. Then some schmo comes along and takes that reputation and puts a $4k price tag on it (replete with 20 cent plastic lorlin switches in the box that advertises "elma switches") just because its rare and a novelty. This is no $4k box. Its the same reason helios is so expensive, its rare and the right people used it in the past. Does helios REALLY SOUND soooo much better? It obviously sounds good, but on this level all this stuff is really on par with everything else and anyone who tells you differently has bought the hype. It has to cost chandler more to make the 2254 which is less than half the price and its every bit as cool as a tg limiter. Its a very nice sounding box, but you know, so are lots and lots and lots of other boxes. The hoopla is more abou the fact that pink floyd recorded on a TG (but didnt use the mic pres...) rather than how insanely good the box sounds. If you know the sound of diode limiters, thats what it sounds like, amplified by a cool sounding line amp pushing your bit of sound through a carnhill transformer. Not a big stretch to imagine what it sounds like.
Its really a shame the box is so much money. Not because its "too expensive" it would be nice if it was just constructed to reflect the price, thats all. I wouldnt DARE take one of these on the road.
dave[/quote]
Hey Dave,
Thanks for the insight! :thumb:
The EMI and a lot of various other vintage pieces definitely have that retro funky ol'skool look, as much as I hate to admit it the looks definitely influence how I judge a piece of gear and my purchasing decision so I can understand why all the hype surrounding it.
Actually that's the reason why I bought my Focusrite Red 3, just to find that the piece appears to be more intersting than it sounds............. It feelin like drinking spring water when you are thirsty, does the job but that's about all it does....... ...
BTW, thanks Winston for the info you've posted.
the only thing that makes these things desirable is the fact that they are rare and if you ever wanted to use one, you basically had to book time at EMI to use them, this stuff was never packaged in a retail form. Folks, thats it. Then some schmo comes along and takes that reputation and puts a $4k price tag on it (replete with 20 cent plastic lorlin switches in the box that advertises "elma switches") just because its rare and a novelty. This is no $4k box. Its the same reason helios is so expensive, its rare and the right people used it in the past. Does helios REALLY SOUND soooo much better? It obviously sounds good, but on this level all this stuff is really on par with everything else and anyone who tells you differently has bought the hype. It has to cost chandler more to make the 2254 which is less than half the price and its every bit as cool as a tg limiter. Its a very nice sounding box, but you know, so are lots and lots and lots of other boxes. The hoopla is more abou the fact that pink floyd recorded on a TG (but didnt use the mic pres...) rather than how insanely good the box sounds. If you know the sound of diode limiters, thats what it sounds like, amplified by a cool sounding line amp pushing your bit of sound through a carnhill transformer. Not a big stretch to imagine what it sounds like.
Its really a shame the box is so much money. Not because its "too expensive" it would be nice if it was just constructed to reflect the price, thats all. I wouldnt DARE take one of these on the road.
dave[/quote]
Hey Dave,
Thanks for the insight! :thumb:
The EMI and a lot of various other vintage pieces definitely have that retro funky ol'skool look, as much as I hate to admit it the looks definitely influence how I judge a piece of gear and my purchasing decision so I can understand why all the hype surrounding it.
Actually that's the reason why I bought my Focusrite Red 3, just to find that the piece appears to be more intersting than it sounds............. It feelin like drinking spring water when you are thirsty, does the job but that's about all it does....... ...
BTW, thanks Winston for the info you've posted.
I dont think there is any shame in admitting that. ****, youve got to sit in front of the gear and stare at it all day, its gotta look appealing. I once passed on a console for the sole reason that I didnt like the way it looked and the layout was really silly. I dont own any cranesong gear because I dont like the green knobs. shoot me.
that said, I dont think there is anything particularly special about any of the chandler stuff, it falls completely short of the mark from a design perspective. The EMI consoles were beautiful, the discrete neve consoles were beautiful, the api consoles were usually at least interesting looking. Its easy to overlook that someone had to think all that **** up and renegade designers made these things look as cool as they sound. The chandler stuff is completely uninspired looking and has plastic knobs available from any catalog. Certainly anyone making as many units as that company is, if they had any care in the world to distinguish themselves they could have had custom knobs designed and made, and even with a plastic knob it would cost peanuts to do from an asian manufacturer. ****, I had aluminum knobs that I spec'd, had designed and manufactured for me for a console restoration I did and it wasnt that expensive at all, and my console is impressive looking as hell because of that. the bottom line is that chandler came from racking old console parts and "making it work" and that ethos follows everything the company does. It never made an image for itself through its gear and its product recognition is horrid for a company as established as it is. since officially licensing from EMI, its taking that as the new identity for the company and the look of the gear is nothing unique or creative at all. ten cent black chick head knobs, digikey part number blah blah blah -ND is about as exotic and unique as it gets. The ethos of make it work is completely on the sleeve of that company for a price that people who do completely custom work dont charge.
Use blah blah blah-ND knob, dont carge $4k for it.
whoah, rant...
dave
that said, I dont think there is anything particularly special about any of the chandler stuff, it falls completely short of the mark from a design perspective. The EMI consoles were beautiful, the discrete neve consoles were beautiful, the api consoles were usually at least interesting looking. Its easy to overlook that someone had to think all that **** up and renegade designers made these things look as cool as they sound. The chandler stuff is completely uninspired looking and has plastic knobs available from any catalog. Certainly anyone making as many units as that company is, if they had any care in the world to distinguish themselves they could have had custom knobs designed and made, and even with a plastic knob it would cost peanuts to do from an asian manufacturer. ****, I had aluminum knobs that I spec'd, had designed and manufactured for me for a console restoration I did and it wasnt that expensive at all, and my console is impressive looking as hell because of that. the bottom line is that chandler came from racking old console parts and "making it work" and that ethos follows everything the company does. It never made an image for itself through its gear and its product recognition is horrid for a company as established as it is. since officially licensing from EMI, its taking that as the new identity for the company and the look of the gear is nothing unique or creative at all. ten cent black chick head knobs, digikey part number blah blah blah -ND is about as exotic and unique as it gets. The ethos of make it work is completely on the sleeve of that company for a price that people who do completely custom work dont charge.
Use blah blah blah-ND knob, dont carge $4k for it.
whoah, rant...
dave
Helsing
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Dave,
In Wade's defense he is having custom knobs made for his latest stuff. His TG mixer knobs were molded from original TG knobs. I get the impression that quality is ramping up rather than down and things are getting more custom than '-ND'.
Helsing
In Wade's defense he is having custom knobs made for his latest stuff. His TG mixer knobs were molded from original TG knobs. I get the impression that quality is ramping up rather than down and things are getting more custom than '-ND'.
Helsing
I dont really care what the guy does now, he's got a 6 year or more legacy which more than speaks for itself. If you cant do something right from the start, Im not gonna go run up and high five you half a decade later when circumstances lend themselves in that direction. Its not hard to do things right the first time, but of course as illustrated, easier to cut corners.
dave
dave
Helsing
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Dave,
Not trying to get into a flame war here. Just correcting some currently false info on your part.
"if they had any care in the world to distinguish themselves they could have had custom knobs designed and made, and even with a plastic knob it would cost peanuts to do from an asian manufacturer."
This is exactly what they are doing now. I agree with your point on doing it right the first time but have respect for companies that make an effort to improve on areas that have been traditionally lackluster.
Helsing
Not trying to get into a flame war here. Just correcting some currently false info on your part.
"if they had any care in the world to distinguish themselves they could have had custom knobs designed and made, and even with a plastic knob it would cost peanuts to do from an asian manufacturer."
This is exactly what they are doing now. I agree with your point on doing it right the first time but have respect for companies that make an effort to improve on areas that have been traditionally lackluster.
Helsing
definitely not getting into a flame war about chandler. Kudos for them for putting custom knobs on one piece of gear. Every single other manufacturer that is on the level of chandler so far as distribution and *price* is concerned has product recognition built into their line, even if its something as simple as a purple anodized knob like apogee, everyone knows that look. Chandler came from racking parts and making it work and there was never any effort put forth to do boo beyond that. Why wait until you get some licensing deal from EMI to pay any attention to the look of your products? He could have put that energy in from the start if he chose to, but he didnt make that choice. He's also not putting those custom knobs on everything, JUST the EMI stuff, so it still does little to adress the public image of his company, just one product of several he's offering. Like I said, actions speak louder than words and that company has a technicolor sleeve if you chose to look at it.
dave
dave
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