Reverb

[analag]

https://www.nevostudios.se/nevo-plates-springs/ so good, so cheap! Even a great convolution player can be had for free. I have a lot of real spaces too for great 3D effect in the mix. There is hardly any distinction between expensive and cheap anymore and that goes for AD/ DA as well.

 

[Whoops]

https://www.nevostudios.se/nevo-plates-springs/ so good, so cheap!

Thanks for the link,
just bought it

Will try the IR's on Altiverb

 

[analag]

Thanks for the link,
just bought it

Will try the IR's on Altiverb

A pleasure sir.
https://gumroad.com/pasttofuturereverbs...these guys are a little more experimental but some gems are in there. Love the real spaces and the reel to reel IRs

 

[ReRibbon]

I’ve been working on a cover of Laura Nyro’s the Wind with my partner and I’m always floored by the sound of reverb on 60’s recordings. I’ve got a cheap lexicon I don’t use very much and I also have some Waves Abbey Road plug-ins I like until I’m actually using them.

I find it very difficult to achieve the level of lushness and presence yet somehow not drowning in it like in recordings of Laura Nyro, the Beach Boys, or  Brazilian stuff like early Gal Costa.

I’m sure they had access to amazing plates and probably rooms designed for certain sounds, but for some like me who has a studio full of DIY equipment and a computer, how can I get close to that sound?

Is there any reverb builds that y’all know of? A  plugin many recommend? Or should I just set up a speaker and a mic in my garage or something?  ;D

I've come across a little method to get a similar sound to that wall of sound type reverb.
I use any reverb for the time I need and drop 800hz a little bit and wide,
then buss in a blend from the sound toys echo boy plug and set that to barely on, full saturation, and go to the space echo setting. Is really dark and lush.

 

[TwentyTrees]

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I am TOTALLY trying that. I always use reverb and delay/echo as separate auxes, never thought to feed the one into the other. Thanks for the tip!

 

[Whoops]

I am TOTALLY trying that. I always use reverb and delay/echo as separate auxes, never thought to feed the one into the other. Thanks for the tip!

It's quite cool to Feed a Delay into a Reverb or the other way around, all the main 80s and 90s Digital Effect Processors had presets like that

 

[ReRibbon]

I am TOTALLY trying that. I always use reverb and delay/echo as separate auxes, never thought to feed the one into the other. Thanks for the tip!

How'd it go?

 

[ReRibbon]

It's quite cool to Feed a Delay into a Reverb or the other way around, all the main 80s and 90s Digital Effect Processors had presets like that

It is.

 

[hageir]

Why I don't get about stuff like the hardware Lex. 480, is how is a DSP from the 80s in any way superior to what we have now?

You guys should read the history on the Sony PCM-1610 (or the earliest) and the DASH stuff, plus the DRE-2000.

The budget and manpower for the R&D at the time was enormous. Just imagine the workmanship and quality/thinking and calculations that went into those earliest units. I think the Digital department shrunk down by about 2000% as time went on.

But those early units had massive history/work behind them and you had specialists working together creating something great.

There's not a market for that kind of development today and let alone for a digital reverb LOL

Apogee (the old one with the Tomahawk logo) was actually founded around an add-on aliasing filter board for the PCM-1610, IIRC it was a 512 pole super steep filter and also some incredible engineering...

 

[abbey road d enfer]

Why I don't get about stuff like the hardware Lex. 480, is how is a DSP from the 80s in any way superior to what we have now?

This hasn't be proved objectively yet.

 

[abbey road d enfer]

The budget and manpower for the R&D at the time was enormous. Just imagine the workmanship and quality/thinking and calculations that went into those earliest units.

The Quantec QRS was developped by a single man with limited resources. I don't believe that Lexicon had unlimited funds for what was a side project at the time. Lexicon's source of income came from language labs IIRC.
The only ones that were properly funded were Yamaha.

I think the Digital department shrunk down by about 2000% as time went on.

The reason is that most of the work exists now. No need to reinvent the wheel.

 

[hageir]

The Quantec QRS was developped by a single man with limited resources. I don't believe that Lexicon had unlimited funds for what was a side project at the time. Lexicon's source of income came from language labs IIRC.
The only ones that were properly funded were Yamaha.

The reason is that most of the work exists now. No need to reinvent the wheel.

That's cool, about the Quantec!
Similar to the Ursa Major stuff I believe..

I was strictly speaking about Sony Corporation, imagine being at that frontier back then; say 100 scientists working enthusiastically on this vs. a programmer on a laptop, deciding with headphones what sounds good as a reverb? hehe

I'm not glorifying it just "defending" the fact that sometimes when something "old" was being worked on, it was just a much larger/enthusiastic project. Not everything new is good or better.

My favorite tools are made of Swedish steel and are almost antique, it's just from a time when men didn't think twice about using 100% steel for their product, instead of an Excel calculation which shows the profit difference if you thin it out with some cheap metals...

On the other hand, them Swedish pliers I'm talking about were probably MK IV or even revision 100+ which made them better and better.

 

[rock soderstrom]

I use it is I run it through an Apollo Twin from my laptop as an insert into either my Console or directly into the Apogee converters...(I'm basically using the laptop with the Twin as an "Analog DSP engine"...)

Interesting thread, fits well with a mini project of mine. I want to build a dedicated reverb machine (probably based on Relab 480LX Essentials or Valhalla) with old PC hardware (mini ATX). The VST plugin is hosted by a special app, the resources of the computer are very limited.

Now I'm looking for a inexpensive audio interface, I'll probably use a PCI Esi Julia card, so the question is how critical the Roundtrip latency (RTL) is for a real-time reverb application in the AUX path of an analog mixer. I don't think it's that time-critical, what do you think?

BTW, how much RTL do the old 224/300/480 Lexicons have?


https://relabdevelopment.com/lx480-essentials/

 

[rock soderstrom]

DIY LARC

 

[totoxraymond]

so the question is how critical the Roundtrip latency (RTL) is for a real-time reverb application in the AUX path of an analog mixer. I don't think it's that time-critical, what do you think?

I think it would only be like increasing the 'pre-delay' parameter of the reverb or in other words, it will limit the minimum for the first reflection delay.
Should be ok for most reverb use.

 

[zamproject]

how critical the Roundtrip latency (RTL) is for a real-time reverb application in the AUX path of an analog mixer

As toto already say, it just increase the pre-delay.

Four of my auxes are wired to reveb, two of them being loop to DAW reverb, never had issue with latency, but obviously you should mix 100% wet like any parallel processing involving latency.

Now that i think about it let do the math, at 44.1 with buffer at 256 it's 6ms, which equal to aprox 2m distance, this is like pushing the first reflection wall one meter further.
So in most case this is less than how you'll set a pre-delay anyway.

For very specific or sensible material you can always duplicate the track, one being time compensated, send both to the mixer, one for mix bus one for rev send.

 

[rock soderstrom]

Thank you very much for your feedback , which meet my expectations.

Wow, the Relab LX480 Essential plugin sounds really good, I played around with my test setup for a long time today and I have to say that it's very promising.

I still have a lot of computer problems, which is largely due to the very limited power of the host computer (Intel Atom CPU from the Stone Age). But it's already running pretty well on my workshop computer. I think it's also possible to get the reverb plugin running on the mini ATX computer, I'll have to optimize Win 10 a bit or switch to Linux straight away.

The idea is to build a dedicated reverb machine for a group of young musicians I support. At the moment they have an MPX110 as their "main reverb" in their rehearsal room/project studio. The Relab reverb plays in a different league...

It is planned to configure the computer as a dedicated reverb machine via an autostart batch file after switching it on, and to operate it via a mini touchscreen.

This is the part, apart from the quality of the reverb, that convinces me the most. At the moment it is still a USB 800x400 LCD with mouse operation. It works perfectly, you plug it in via USB and drag the plugin onto the new screen, voila! No driver installation, works immediately. (...and is automatically restarted in the same configuration and position after rebooting, very good)

I really wonder why the manufacturers of such reverb plugins don't offer this functionality (with touch control of course) for their plug ins, that's incomprehensible. I think many would be willing to spend money on it. A small, stylish touch screen takes usability to a new level, very elegant and can also look good on the desk. The power supply is via USB.

If you would optimize the plugin a little for this application (it doesn't need much), you would have a really clever product that clearly stands out from the competition. The handling is excellent, especially when making music with your hands.

I think this combo is one of the best reverb devices under 100€, which includes the license, the secondhand computer and audio card and the (non touch) display. Now I am going to look around for an affordable touchscreen that size, anyone have any tips?

I am thrilled and am now making some more music with it

 

[rock soderstrom]

Addendum: You wouldn't believe how often I tried to operate the faders directly with my finger today, it feels so natural now, mouse control is so 90ies...

 

[kags]

There are a handful of plugins (effects and processors) that have optional usb controllers, but those can quickly clutter the workspace. Plus, DAW plugins automatically recall the session’s settings, rather than notating an outboard units settings. I like you idea in principle, but in practice it takes a certain dedication to a slower workflow. I’m interested to see how this works for your team.

https://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/TC2290--tc-electronic-tc2290-dt-desktop-controlled-plug-in

 

[capacitorless]

Secondhand/inexpensive tablet, running some KVM software? You'd need wifi on the host, of course. I can't think of any showstoppers at the moment, and I'll be doing something similar, but I haven't actually done it yet.