Superlux S502 MK2 test, teardown and improvements

[Recording Engineer]

This looks like a CMC6 clone, doesn't it? Anyone tried it?

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Well I just now ordered pair… I want the bodies! Some M221b-inspired mics with Schoeps MK22 capsules might be fun! AMI T28 seems to be the only available option for these.

 

[bremusound]

So the question now is: who knows a commercially available black SDC with 20mm body, made by 797 Audio?

Jan

Studio Projects C4

 

[SubSpec]

Well I just now ordered pair… I want the bodies! Some M221b-inspired mics with Schoeps MK22 capsules might be fun! AMI T28 seems to be the only available option for these.

Definitely let us know, I'd been eyeing those too, interested to hear how they are

 

[Emmathom]

I think it has been discussed on the forum : a very good solution is Takstar CM63 + 3UAudio capsule(s) > 42€ + 120€ to get a really nice cardio SDC...

@Recording Engineer let us know please when you receive the 92€ Ali SDC mic (Schoeps look) and how it sounds with the chineese original caps.

 

[jp8]

I think it has been discussed on the forum : a very good solution is Takstar CM63 + 3UAudio capsule(s) > 42€ + 120€ to get a really nice cardio SDC...

Sure! There are a number of really usefull mods described in this thread, nicely summarized by @Voyager10.

You specifically mentioned to pair the CM-63 with the 3U capsules, but it yields a slightly different tonality when compared to the CM-60 + 3U combo, which I liked better. It's a bit flatter in the highs. I assume the differences are caused by the different back chamber and slots design. I'd suggest to also consider the Alctron T-02A instead of the CM-63, which I expect to sound identical to the CM-60.

You can hear the tonal differences in @joulupukki 's Blind Test (link below). Though both the CM-60 and CM-63 have slightly different KM84 style circuits, both circuuts are dead-flat in the highs, so I'd reason that tonal differences in the highs should be caused by the capsule/body combination.

Thread 'Four KM-84 Clones - Blind Test' https://groupdiy.com/threads/four-km-84-clones-blind-test.89135/

Having done the KM84 "project", the S502 Mk2 capsule similarities with a Schoeps MK4 triggered me to pick up cloning a CMC6 MK4 as the next project. Just not with a standard Schoeps circuit, but my own.

Jan

 

[Emmathom]

@jp8 your DIY seems very attractive... so after a "Jan S502 special circuit" we'll have a "Jan Schoeps custom build" ?

Great ! Oh, I forgot Xmas is approching (Santa Jan)

 

[jp8]

@jp8 your DIY seems very attractive... so after a "Jan S502 special circuit" we'll have a "Jan Schoeps custom build" ?

Great ! Oh, I forgot Xmas is approching (Santa Jan)

Thanks a lot for the kind words, @Emmathom !

The "S502 special circuit" should be credited to @MicUlli , though. The circuit that I had in mind for the Schoeps MK4 clone SDC has charge amplifier input, CMOS polarization voltage generator and improved Schoeps output stage. Not a 100% Schoeps clone. Has more headroom, somewhat lower noise and THD compared to the "standard" Schoeps circuit that we all know.

Jan

 

[Emmathom]

Thanks a lot for the kind words, @Emmathom !

The "S502 special circuit" should be credited to @MicUlli , though. The circuit that I had in mind for the Schoeps MK4 clone SDC has charge amplifier input, CMOS polarization voltage generator and improved Schoeps output stage. Not a 100% Schoeps clone. Has more headroom, somewhat lower noise and THD compared to the "standard" Schoeps circuit that we all know.

Jan

So, a kinda "to-do list" :

- use my S502 capsules for your DIY Schoeps circuit (but the right body has to be found for that) > what to do then with the mic without its capsules ? Waiting to find a mic out-of-order and use the capsules maybe...
- buy a S502 MkII and replace the original circuit by @MicUlli one

Maybe resell my WA84 pair to finance that ? (lowest price brand new is 606€ so I could resell ~500€)
or keep them

 

[RCAguy]

This looks like a CMC6 clone, doesn't it? Anyone tried it?

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Here’s a more readable response with the cardioid capsule - typical bass boost from proximity, but ragged >10kHz.

 

[Emmathom]

Here’s a more readable response with the cardioid capsule - typical bass boost from proximity, but ragged >10kHz.

Woa, a serious peak around 12kHz (+10dB !)

 

[MicUlli]

Hi All,
The S502 "repair kit" circuit schematic is now finished. Here is the circuit...
If you have a 502 1st version a lot of components become superfluous (the dcdc-converter is not needed)...

 

[Emmathom]

Hi All,
The S502 "repair kit" circuit schematic is now finished. Here is the circuit...
If you have a 502 1st version a lot of components become superfluous (the dcdc-converter is not needed)...

Hi @MicUlli
So for the S502 1rst version please tell us which components not to install.
But if I order 2 full kits I'd like to get all components for both boards in case of... (I could resell my 1rst version to buy a MKII)
Regards

 

[RuudNL]

for the S502 1rst version please tell us which components not to install.

Yes, that would indeed be good to know. (I have both versions)
I suppose the DC converter can be omitted.
Probably a link between the connections of the four 330K resistors and Vpol???

 

[MicUlli]

For the MK1 version components R9..R13, C8..C14, D3, D4 and T3 can be omitted. The MK2 version requires all components. Find attached a first picture of the board..
Regarding the components:
1. all resistors are thin film 1% 50ppm,
2. ceramic caps are of type C0G(NP0) 50V, exceptions are C13 and C14, which are of type X7R 50V,
3. elcaps are mounted on the bottom side of the pcb, size 5x11mm.

 

[jeremynothman]

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Here’s a more readable response with the cardioid capsule - typical bass boost from proximity, but ragged >10kHz.

I especially like "Phase no good"

 

[mhelin]

This looks like a CMC6 clone, doesn't it? Anyone tried it?


https://a.aliexpress.com/_EzfjgHJ

This looks also similar to the Korean HMH CML-300 microphone, here's a blog writing on it:
https://blog.naver.com/sorrygom/221042898978
Sound demo used as OH's:

Prduct page:
https://www.hmh-korea.com/product/untitled-46
Product page for 2PCS / stereo set (more images):
https://www.hmh-korea.com/product/cc5c3a06-9708-49df-9d52-aa089d0787c3

 

[Emmathom]

Don't they have an english website ? I couldn't find one...
Their products seem interesting...

SDC + 3 capsules = 600.000 won = 410€

 

[jp8]

This looks also similar to the Korean HMH CML-300 microphone, here's a blog writing on it:
https://blog.naver.com/sorrygom/221042898978
Sound demo used as OH's:

Prduct page:
https://www.hmh-korea.com/product/untitled-46
Product page for 2PCS / stereo set (more images):
https://www.hmh-korea.com/product/cc5c3a06-9708-49df-9d52-aa089d0787c3

They look indeed quite similar, including the capsule to head amp interface.

What raised my eyebrows was how the mic was used with the capsule at one end of a boom stand and head amp at the other end. I'd expect he long wiring in between to add a lot of capacitive load, causing significant signal attenuation. Not to mention potential microphonics from vibrating cables in the boom, e.g. due to stage rumble or handling. Or would the capsules be electret types with built-in JFET? Has anyone seen such a set up before?

Jan

 

[jean-luc brion]

Salut tout le monde,
il est temps de répondre à quelques questions :
1. Je vends uniquement les kits de réparation en Europe.
2. Les « kits de réparation » comprennent le PCB et TOUS les composants nécessaires ainsi qu'une instruction de montage/test détaillée.
3. Paiement uniquement par virement bancaire, expédition via DHL, vous obtenez un numéro de suivi.
4. Les kits de réparation MBC5X0 sont toujours disponibles, les kits de réparation S502 sont en construction.
5. Tarifs uniquement sur demande via MP, merci de ne pas les afficher dans l'espace public
Merci
Mic Ulli

Salut tout le monde,
il est temps de répondre à quelques questions :
1. Je vends uniquement les kits de réparation en Europe.
2. Les « kits de réparation » comprennent le PCB et TOUS les composants nécessaires ainsi qu'une instruction de montage/test détaillée.
3. Paiement uniquement par virement bancaire, expédition via DHL, vous obtenez un numéro de suivi.
4. Les kits de réparation MBC5X0 sont toujours disponibles, les kits de réparation S502 sont en construction.
5. Tarifs uniquement sur demande via MP, merci de ne pas les afficher dans l'espace public
Merci
Mic Ulli

hello
i would be interested in 2 or 3 kits for the superlux s502
what is the procedure to buy them?
i am in france
Jean Luc

 

[jeremynothman]

They look indeed quite similar, including the capsule to head amp interface.

What raised my eyebrows was how the mic was used with the capsule at one end of a boom stand and head amp at the other end. I'd expect he long wiring in between to add a lot of capacitive load, causing significant signal attenuation. Not to mention potential microphonics from vibrating cables in the boom, e.g. due to stage rumble or handling. Or would the capsules be electret types with built-in JFET? Has anyone seen such a set up before?

Jan

Isn’t that the same as the collette active tube or the same kind of thing made by neumann for the KM-80 series?