The Vaccine

[crazydoc]

Fully vaccinated individuals developed robust anamnestic antibody and T cell responses following infection with the SARS-CoV-2 delta variant.

The important word/concept here is anamnestic. When the body is challenged by a pathogen for the first time, an immune response is elicited, which takes a period of time for the immune system to recognize it as foreign, and produce antibodies to it. Because it takes so long, if the pathogen is rapidly replicating/infecting, it can cause illness and death before the immune system is robust enough to fight it.

After time (months), most of the antibodies disappear, but there are still components of the immune system that have a memory of the pathogen, and when they see it again, a much more rapid response is provoked, enough to produce antibodies against the pathogen fast enough to prevent infection or serious disease.

That is what natural immunity or vaccination produces, and when re-challenged, antibody (and T cell) response is quick and robust.

 

[Matador]

Not important - they're both immune, and probably about to the same degree, which is never 100%.

Turns out, maybe not so much!

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm?s_cid=mm7044e1_w
"These findings suggest that among hospitalized adults with COVID-19–like illness whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, vaccine-induced immunity was [5 times] more protective than infection-induced immunity against laboratory-confirmed COVID-19. All eligible persons should be vaccinated against COVID-19 as soon as possible, including unvaccinated persons previously infected with SARS-CoV-2."

Since some will bristle at the idea that the information came from the CDC, here is a talk showing how survivorship bias explains some of the previous data showing natural immunity being more robust than vaccine immunity.

https://echo360.org/media/df6327b6-1e39-401e-affb-5220eaedef8e/public

 

[scott2000]

"These findings suggest that among hospitalized adults with COVID-19–like illness whose previous infection or vaccination occurred 90–179 days earlier, vaccine-induced immunity was [5 times] more protective than infection-induced immunity against laboratory-confirmed COVID-19.

Looks like age has a little to with some of the info.Pretty confusing to me personally. Here's 2 tables from the study.

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm?s_cid=mm7044e1_w#T1_down
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7044e1.htm?s_cid=mm7044e1_w#T2_down

 

[Script]

Would it be unfair to say that Dr Robert Malone, who hasn't been active in mRNA technology for some 30 years, is to modern vaccine technology what Milton Babbitt is to today's computer assisted music editing and production ?

Not Babbitt, but I always liked 'Daisy Bell' sung by IBM 7094

 

[scott2000]

is to modern vaccine technology what Milton Babbitt is to today's computer assisted music editing and production ?

Maybe... Probably wouldn't want to start browsing author profiles of various other studies either..lol

 

[Tubetec]

The pope made a public appearance the other day , neither he nor his security goons were masked up , and the pontiff himself seemed to have no issues embracing and hugging members of the public . Papal infalibility alone doesnt make him immune from infection surely . The vatican itself has massive scientific resources at its finger tips and no end of 'believers' who would willingly try a 'holy cure' . So has he just set a poor example for his followers or has he an ace up his slieve the rest of us know nothing about ?

 

[user 41968]

Would it be unfair to say that Dr Robert Malone, who hasn't been active in mRNA technology for some 30 years, is to modern vaccine technology what Milton Babbitt is to today's computer assisted music editing and production ?

Yes, it is unfair, is diversionary, and dishonest.

Perhaps you should read the declarations from injured physicians if you haven't already and then comment on that.

 

[user 41968]

TV Show Mysteriously Deletes Poll After Vast Majority Oppose Mandatory Vaccination

A major morning television show in the UK deleted a Twitter poll asking if vaccines should be made mandatory after the results showed that 89% of respondents oppose compulsory shots.

Yes, really.

Good Morning Britain, which often tries to set the news agenda, posted the poll which asked the public, “With Omicron cases doubling every two days, is it time to make vaccines mandatory?”

The last screenshots Twitter users were able to obtain before the poll was wiped showed 89% oppose mandatory vaccinations, with just 11% in favor after a total of over 42,000 votes.

More: https://summit.news/2021/12/08/tv-s...r-vast-majority-oppose-mandatory-vaccination/

 

[Script]

Yes, it is unfair, is diversionary, and dishonest.

I can live with 'unfair' Babbitt sure had less developed technology at hand...

But the other two adjectives sound quite harsh. You'd mind explaining a bit more ?

 

[3nity]

I dont know what to think. Since day 1 of being vaccinated I started felling dizziness..I went by my own will and now I'm not certain I'll take the 2nd shot. Wich I think is deceiving.

 

[crazydoc]

Perhaps you should read the declarations from injured physicians if you haven't already and then comment on that.

These are anecdotal declarations in a lawyer's (who was involved in vaccine/autism suits) letter (sent by email) to CDC and FDA officials, heavily redacted for privacy reasons, supposedly offering support for vaccine injury to physicians and their patients.

One randomly selected instance is of a person, previously in "good health", whose heart failure was supposedly caused by the vaccine. When he was seen several days after the second vaccine with chest pressure and shortness of breath, an EKG was done showing left ventricular hypertrophy. This is bulking up of the heart muscle due to an increased workload (usually hypertension), and occurs over a period of months or years, just like skeletal muscles in people who start working out. So to say that his condition was "caused" by the vaccine is not possible - and there is no mention of a prior normal EKG. Possibly the added stress of the usual vaccine side effects tipped him into overt failure, which was most likely going to occur anyway in a short period of time.

It is certainly probable that some of the medical conditions presented in the letter are related to the vaccine, just as many of them are probably not. This is unverifiable, mostly anecdotal evidence. Correlation is not causation. To think that there is a great conspiracy among the media, health professionals, and the government to hide vaccine side effects is absurd. No cover up can succeed when there are thousands or millions of people involved in "keeping the secret".

No medical intervention is risk free, but neither is refusing intervention.

 

[Matador]

Yes, it is unfair, is diversionary, and dishonest.

Perhaps you should read the declarations from injured physicians if you haven't already and then comment on that.

What is so compelling about the declaration? Even if every case was true, and all causally linked to a vaccination event, it isn't any different from any other vaccine. Google "MMR adverse event" and you will find many hundreds of similar occurrences.

 

[user 41968]

Doc - I agree that correlation is not causation. It's a signal. I have short video animation of John Hopkins data that graphs Covid deaths by country showing the point at which mass-injections began. The death rate spikes shortly thereafter. Would you like me to post it?

"To think that there is a great conspiracy among the media, health professionals, and the government to hide vaccine side effects is absurd."

Really? Tell that to the hundreds of medical professionals who have had their licensure threatened or taken.

Matador - "Google "MMR adverse event" and you will find many hundreds of similar occurrences."

BS. We've never seen vaccine-induced death on this scale. June data:

More deaths than all prior vaccine deaths combined since records have been kept. VAERS is now at 17,000+ and hasn't been updated in quite some time.

So you're asking us to believe they were hiding all prior vax deaths better than they are Covid Vax deaths?

"Even if every case was true..."

Sworn under penalty of perjury and quite likely not redacted in the original letter. Be honest here.

Everyone of those declarants would be better off today had they not been "vaxxed." Period.

Script - Dr. Malone has publicly stated he regrets taking the m-RNA gene serum "vaccine." Your comment did nothing to address his reversal and was thus diversionary. You're being intellectually dishonest by suggesting that he hasn't done anything for 30 years and as such he is somehow discredited to state his belief based on personal experience and subject matter expertise.

Using your rationale I suppose we should also discount anything JR might say here about console design because he hasn't produced a commercial design in 15 or so years or that Rupert Neve is no longer qualified to discuss audio. Bill Whitlock probably hasn't designed a transformer since retirement. That doesn't disqualify him from talking about transformers. Babbit (or Malone) could (or in the case of Malone can) teach you and all of us something. It just requires listening and de-programming.

 

[user 41968]

This Is How We Win: The Psychology Of Mass Formation

Greg Reece explains the concept of Mass Formation and hypnosis as it relates to the Covid narrative and resulting totalitarianism.

Video: https://waynekirkwood.com/content/Greg_Reece_This_Is_How_We_Win.mp4

 

[JohnRoberts]

Using your rationale I suppose we should also discount anything JR might say here about console design because he hasn't produced a commercial design in 15 or so years or that Rupert Neve is no longer qualified to discuss audio. Bill Whitlock probably hasn't designed a transformer since retirement. That doesn't disqualify him from talking about transformers. Babbit (or Malone) could (or in the case of Malone can) teach you and all of us something. It just requires listening and de-programming.

Hi Wayne welcome to the forum... (again).

Don't troll me into your anti-vax nightmare. I walked away from your forum to get away from the anti-vax rants, I do not plan to leave this forum.

Try to be gracious (less personal insults like equating people to sheep). We have a good group of knowledgeable forum members, give them a little respect.

You have been here before so should be familiar with rule #4. rules

JR

 

[user 41968]

John - I did not equate any individual here to sheep. The image is a frame from the video. I captured it, and it was directed at no individual or group.

Background: The suggestion had been made that Dr. Malone hadn't done anything in mRNA in 30 years and therefore his past knowledge and thus his present personal vaccine experience (and reluctance to take it again) were used as a means to discredit him.

I used you JR, and others, as an example of someone whose knowledge has lasting value. You shouldn't take offense at that and none was intended.

crazydoc - I would like to encourage you to contact and discuss the licensure and board pressure put onto practicing physicians attempting to treat Covid.

Some physicians you might want to contact are Dr. Richard Fleming Dr Fleming | Fleming-Method , Dr. Peter McCollough Dr Peter McCullough | Cardiologist Dallas, TX | HeartPlace Dallas , Dr. Simone Gold America's Frontline Doctors , Dr. "Zev" Zelenko Dr. Vladimir Zelenko MD , Dr. Richard Bartlett or Dr. Stella Immanuel Welcome to Dr. Stella Immanuel MD

While you may disagree with them I would hope as physician you would have an open and curious mind. What they will tell you about persecution in the medical community will be eye-opening. Talk to them and then tell me that there's no WHO central planning in the therapeutic treatment (non-treatment) of Covid. I'm certain there will be no shortage of members who will attack their credibility. That's expected.

But you really should give one or more of them a call and watch Dr. McCollough's "Winning The War Against Therapeutic Nihilism" given at the AAPS.

It's available here: https://waynekirkwood.com/content/W..._Therapeutic_Nihilism_Dr_Peter_McCullough.mp4

 

[volker]

Using your rationale I suppose we should also discount anything JR might say here about console design because he hasn't produced a commercial design in 15 or so years or that Rupert Neve is no longer qualified to discuss audio. Bill Whitlock probably hasn't designed a transformer since retirement. That doesn't disqualify him from talking about transformers. Babbit (or Malone) could (or in the case of Malone can) teach you and all of us something. It just requires listening and de-programming.

False equivalency. Audio has been a mature technology for decades, progress in the analog domain is miniscule at best. If you were a guru 20 years ago you're still today, because nothing really changed. In medicine or science in general the opposite is the case: constantly new inventions and discoveries. One of these in particular is the Covid vaccination, which is the first ever mRNA vaccination. State of the art is continuously being moved forward.

More deaths than all prior vaccine deaths combined since records have been kept. VAERS is now at 17,000+ and hasn't been updated in quite some time.

First of all those numbers are suspected cases. Secondly, how is that surprising? We have mass vaccination efforts magnitudes higher than in recent history. Of course the absolute number will go up.

 

[scott2000]

We have mass vaccination efforts magnitudes higher than in recent history. Of course the absolute number will go up

Sounds harsh. Like there's an unprecendented number of ageing population so of course the absolute number will go up?

It's been known for some time....

'The U.S. population aged 85 or more years is projected to more than double by 2040, increasing from 6.5 million in 2017 to 14.4 million in 2040"

https://www.mcknightsseniorliving.com/home/news/85-population-to-increase-123-by-2040-report-states/

 

[user 41968]

Volker - I see that you are in Germany. What do you think about forced injections? Are they scheduled to start in Germany in February?

 

[ccaudle]

Dr. Stella Immanuel Welcome to Dr. Stella Immanuel MD

Ah, yes, our famous Houston area doctor who believes that many gynecological problems are caused because demons spiritually rape women in their sleep. Who wouldn't trust her over someone who only studies viruses and immune response?
archive of Dr. Stella Immanuel sermon on "power against evil spiritual marriages"
You too may be under attack from an "evil spiritual marriage" if you have serious gynecological problems, or a miscarriage, or if your spouse hates you.
And BTW, you can totally trust her that antiparasitic worm medicine is all you need for a viral respiratory infection.