The Vaccine

[MicDaddy]

The latest celebrity to show his ass is Neil Young demanding that Joe Rogan get cancelled or he would withhold his music catalog... He didn't win that popularity tug of war.

JR

PS: Not the first time, Neil tried to hold his songs hostage to get his wierd-fi standard adopted... he lost that one too.

let's not forget the time ol' Neil begged a prePresidential Trump to save this (checks notes) capitalist venture:

 

[JohnRoberts]

Can we take it down a few degrees?

Making insulting comments about vague partisan groups is uncomfortably close to insulting each other, who are inferred to be included in those groups being insulted.

I don't care to adjudicate the fine points of Ethan's rules.

Its nice to be nice.

JR

 

[MicDaddy]

In efforts of "being more nicer"

let's all #ThankATrucker today

 

[shabtek]

my point is most people are desparate to validate some kind of identity

wearing their masks proudly to signal what?
points at signaling while wearing masks claiming not signaling yea ok bud

it is a part of human nature and exploited by social media/any all media
why does mask or no mask equate to a signal?
eat some acid

 

[MicDaddy]

my point is most people are desparate to validate some kind of identity

it is a part of human nature and exploited by social media/any all media
why does mask or no mask equate to a signal?
eat some acid

i'd eat acid before taking an mRNA jab that doesn't work at stopping infection or preventing transmission (like masks, hence signal (which ignores obvious signaling))

masks have been politicized since very early on. it's blaringly obvious who/which is signaling which way (see UWmed of Seattle protests in May of 2020, tightly grouped people yet "masked" with various political messages embedded in said device... if they were really practicing serious risk management relating to any pandemic emergency they'd have stayed home like those of us that did since February 2020 through April 2020 (about Easter) Skin in the game..

Thankfully for the protests on all sides was a peek into an inadvertent experiment demonstrating the non-deadly and seemingly low transmission rate of those interacting over many weeks/months. You cannot demonstrate one group doing significantly worse than another...hence what upside is there? The experiment continues with sold out sporting events, entertainment venues, and now a few dozen truckers and their frens up in Canada.

I was wearing an N99 (valved) in Feb+Mar 2020 while briefly leaving home (scared) to go shipping out the Lysol wiped packages to the remaining last customers I'd serve prior to shutting down my business for 3 months in effort to "stop the spread" (all of which did nothing relative to cases as were measured (fiat metrics))

I did this because I thought it made sense (filtration) until presented with enough evidence that shows it makes little to no difference. Haven't worn one since about April 2020. Couple this with the cohort of the dying and i'm seemingly excluded. These together are powerful against sniffle. (statistically)

sooner we accept we got played the sooner we can stop signaling with political face cloths and drugs that don't work and get back to normal

 

[fallout]

masks are part of the fear campaign. people were FOOLED and scared shitless. Things are starting to shift a bit.

 

[shabtek]

drugs that don't work

acid may cast doubt on the value and rationality of signifiers and symbols as a means forming ones identity.


may also increase ones concern for problems of others in other locales
we as a species are challenged by the availability of global 'information' whilst being evolved for local/immediate concerns
i suspect far away concerns ('protests' brought to you by a media business) take up much more bandwidth in many first world citizens than immediate concerns (ie squirrels eating your pecans)

'vaccine' may be a highly optimistic name but to say it don't work is not true. it did work and may still 'work' to some extent.
to mandate it with such short-term safety data does not make sense, especially in light of the number of breakthrough.

ps I just caught the story about the canadienne thing as I type this

***we want black and white,nuance is too hard, media/tech works to exploit this and reinforce polemics

 

[MicDaddy]

breakthrough seems like more "transitory" type taming language (doesn't apply in reality) breakthrough is supposed to be what? some suggestion of fleeting and otherwise few and far between cases of infection? (hardly as observed by the numbers)

while "vaccinated" and tested positive =/= breakthrough, it's a failure.

"COVID vaccines" weren't sold to us as therapy, they called them vaccines and sold them as such. all throughout history vaccines have been associated with preventing infection (or am i way out of line here?)

we were sold a vaccine(s) as our way out, which was complete bullshit
as cases rise in highly vaccinated places this to me suggests failure aka "doesn't work"

 

[crazydoc]

all throughout history vaccines have been associated with preventing infection (or am i way out of line here?)

There is no vaccine I'm aware of that prevents all target infections. Some vaccines prevent disease in almost all vaccinated people (like rubeola), and some prevent disease in some people and protect against more serious disease (like influenza and zoster) in most people. They all have "breakthrough infections."

So yes, there are actual vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, which like influenza is highly mutable, and they are doing their job.

 

[MicDaddy]

There is no vaccine I'm aware of that prevents all target infections. Some vaccines prevent disease in almost all vaccinated people (like rubeola), and some prevent disease in some people and protect against more serious disease (like influenza and zoster) in most people. They all have "breakthrough infections."

So yes, there are actual vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, which like influenza is highly mutable, and they are doing their job.

Every "fully vaccinated" person that is afterwards infected is a failure in any sense of "vaccine" intentions, as was sold out the gate.

You can lie to yourself about how they're working while those that get them are getting infected at record rates..

let's check on Australia:~81% of all cases are from the last 28 days, what changed?
this is vaccines working lelz

 

[Matador]

So yes, there are actual vaccines against SARS-CoV-2, which like influenza is highly mutable, and they are doing their job.

They are only stopping people from dying! What a crock!

 

[MicDaddy]

They are only stopping people from dying! What a crock!

Do you think people not susceptible to dying should get them since you've kindly ceded they don't prevent infection or transmission?

 

[shabtek]

breakthrough seems like more "transitory" type taming language (doesn't apply in reality) breakthrough is supposed to be what? some suggestion of fleeting and otherwise few and far between cases of infection? (hardly as observed by the numbers)

while "vaccinated" and tested positive =/= breakthrough, it's a failure.

"COVID vaccines" weren't sold to us as therapy, they called them vaccines and sold them as such. all throughout history vaccines have been associated with preventing infection (or am i way out of line here?)

I agree and have noted the samantic/linguistic anomalies and contradictions to colloquial use of "vaccine"

hardly a failure though

Yes I've said "therapy" is a more appropriate name--but it is the most effective whatever we have for the pathogen they were developed for

we were sold a vaccine(s) as our way out, which was complete bullshit
as cases rise in highly vaccinated places this to me suggests failure aka "doesn't work"

you are glossing over the differences of the strains

not sure we were sold anything

the mechanics of transmission were not well understood at one point in time. it is difficult to contain ones aerosol and many don't want to. given that; what therapies are there?

yes this variant is not well controlled by the current jab....but some people have known that all along nevermind the strain

 

[shabtek]

people not susceptible to dying

U sure?

 

[MicDaddy]

U sure?

it seems you're unsure?

give me a minute and I'll edit and add responses to all points

***
assuming a vaccine that doesn't prevent infection or transmission as some kind of therapy(you said "most effective") while most of those getting infected wouldn't have died without the vaccine (statistically, or do we need to revisit 2020 numbers/cohorts for deaths?)

..it's hard to know "what therapies" (like i dunno, vitamins, some other very basic seemingly anecdotally effective things I won't mention) when anyone brave enough to offer an idea was shunned via censorship
Even today anyone sharing their own personal experience outside of the narrative of "vaccines are our way out of this pandemic" (what we were sold) often is faced with censorship or at minimum criticism for even thinking outside the box of gee I don't know treating people who are actually sick and not pimping vaccines for people who are statistically at a near zero risk of dying?

 

[shabtek]

whats all this "sold as"
wasn't a pathogen, potentially developed as a weapon let loose, it was supposed to go away by easter...and the situation is evolving over years.
is the re a wizard behind the curtain? is so please elaborate.
I think it is fascinating how our/my take on it lags and veers in its own way --in response to evolving observations and experiences.
some make the case they have been saying such and such "all along".
how did or do they know?

*i am not talking about "people not susceptible to dying"
those are dead people.

 

[shabtek]

I am going back to DIY

 

[MicDaddy]

dude go look at statistics from 2020 with no vaccine and tell me again how all those that didn't die while surviving infection happened without vaccine...
happy soldering

 

[user 41968]

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...convoy-makes-its-way-to-canadas-capital-city/

 

[user 41968]

dude go look at statistics from 2020 with no vaccine and tell me again how all those that didn't die while surviving infection happened without vaccine...
happy soldering

In support of the above. I originally posted this back in October elsewhere. The data is obviously old but it shows strong signals.

COVID Deaths Before And After "Vaccination" Programs

This short animated video shows charts of Covid death rates in various countries versus vaccination start dates.
It uses John Hopkins data.

Cached Video: https://waynekirkwood.com/content/COVID_Deaths_Before_And_After_Vaccination_Programs.mp4

Video at YouTube (until its censored):

COVID Deaths Before And After "Vaccination" Programs

The temporal correlation does not prove causality but its a big obvious signal.

The "vaccine" appears to be causing death, not preventing it.