WTF is wrong with people

[hodad]

Who would willingly sacrifice years of their children's education when an alternative is available?

This is really not at all an accurate read.
Charter schools, quite frankly, are not the answer. They are often just more direct avenues to tax $$$$$ for education corporations. They also typically have less stringent requirements for teachers, which may seem like a good idea until your kid is in a class with someone who should never be leading a classroom of children, or who at best is a bumbling mediocrity. There are charters that work okay, a few that work really well but are largely impossible to replicate on any sort of large scale. And private schools run the gamut from great to absolutely dreadful.
The public school teachers I've known/dealt with tended to be better in the classroom, and better qualified than the charter school teachers I've had experience with. As I've noted elsewhere, corporate meddling and bureaucratic nonsense (which in big cities at least, tends to be driven by wealthy outside influences) are probably the biggest problems facing public schools today. Teachers, especially the supposed "liberal" ones, tend to take the most blame, but in my experience (and guess what, folks? Unlike some of the know-everythings around here, I have real, actual experience with this stuff) they deserve far less blame than many other actors and factors. And if kids are being indoctrinated into anything, it's bullsh!t corporatism, "TED Talk capitalism" for lack of a better term; something that likely nauseates me far more than our conservative list members.

 

[Recording Engineer]

Then it isn't game-playing. It's parents trying to do the best thing for their children. I don't even have children and I understand it. Bureaucracies in the public sector, even badly broken ones, are hard to dismantle thanks to too many laws with good intentions but bad unintended consequences.

I just don’t agree. Skirting-around bad laws with good intentions but unintended consequences has become the standard with everything. I don’t condone suing citizens for abortions and I don’t condone suing gun manufacturers. It’s all stupid! Gotta love attorneys! They can come up with any legal-reason you want to hear if there’s enough money involved to them!

 

[Walter66]

A troubling trend, indeed.


How to be a victim. How to be an ally to other victims. How to view the world through the lens of oppression. That all bad things are the fault of others (boomers, whites, America, and other deplorables). That climate change will ruin the future in [4, 8, 12, 17] years. That Marxism is great "if we'd just do it right" and that capitalism has ruined the world.

Our earth knows animal species since millions of years. The humans are Here since some thousand years. We have Made a mess turning a perfect system into massive unbalance. We are too many and need too many resources. I do Hope that the current political system of democracy can heal the wounds. Otherwise we will become slaves to a different system. Someone has to Clean Up the mess in the end. But I predict that before, we will experience a new world war. The chances are good within the next 1000 years. Then the Problem is finished. The earth can start another evolutionary Project. Humans want it all and in the end they will loose everything. The earth doesnt need humans at all.

 

[Matador]

After going through this with my own kids, I have seen the problem is far more nuanced.

Charters, just like public schools, are very hit-and-miss. In most cases, outcomes are mixed against their public school benchmarks: certain schools do well/better in certain subject areas, largely depending on the area. The charters around here fall into immersion, STEM, and language-arts camps (roughly).

The main problem with charters around here are: zero control of curriculum by the parents. Charters are generally take-it-or-leave-it with respect to their curriculum. The two I toured had extremely high staff turn-over rates (the third grade incoming teacher was different each year over a three year period), and quite large classroom sizes (35+), because they rent space and have limited access to additional classrooms. It was obvious there was a concerted effort to maximize classroom size and minimize teaching staff in order to...maximize profit to the management company (go figure). Both of the schools actually appeared to have MORE administration overhead than even the local public school (the STEM elementary school actually had three principles). Charters also pull a significant amount of resources away from public schools, as any state-level funding is taken away from the local school district and used to pay private salaries of private companies when the parents 'redeem' their voucher.
Some parents I interviewed were happy, others weren't, exactly the same as with the public school.

In the end, we stayed with the public school system and have been mostly pleased. And they haven't even adopted new pronouns, or were taught how to be a victim, even after 9 years of concentrated "indoctrination".

It gets even murkier with respect to how charters interpret and respect disability services and accommodations, like California Title II, IEP plans, and 504C's, but I won't get into that here.

 

[Recording Engineer]

After going through this with my own kids, I have seen the problem is far more nuanced.

Charters, just like public schools, are very hit-and-miss. In most cases, outcomes are mixed against their public school benchmarks: certain schools do well/better in certain subject areas, largely depending on the area. The charters around here fall into immersion, STEM, and language-arts camps (roughly).

The main problem with charters around here are: zero control of curriculum by the parents. Charters are generally take-it-or-leave-it with respect to their curriculum. The two I toured had extremely high staff turn-over rates (the third grade incoming teacher was different each year over a three year period), and quite large classroom sizes (35+), because they rent space and have limited access to additional classrooms. It was obvious there was a concerted effort to maximize classroom size and minimize teaching staff in order to...maximize profit to the management company (go figure). Both of the schools actually appeared to have MORE administration overhead than even the local public school (the STEM elementary school actually had three principles). Charters also pull a significant amount of resources away from public schools, as any state-level funding is taken away from the local school district and used to pay private salaries of private companies when the parents 'redeem' their voucher.
Some parents I interviewed were happy, others weren't, exactly the same as with the public school.

In the end, we stayed with the public school system and have been mostly pleased. And they haven't even adopted new pronouns, or were taught how to be a victim, even after 9 years of concentrated "indoctrination".

It gets even murkier with respect to how charters interpret and respect disability services and accommodations, like California Title II, IEP plans, and 504C's, but I won't get into that here.

I think that’s a fair assessment. I agree. With all that, the question on my mind that remains is this: What have we truly accomplished with publicly-funded charter schools vs. standard public schools that we couldn’t have with only standard public schools and was it worth it? I really don’t know… Inquisitive minds want to know.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Our earth knows animal species since millions of years. The humans are Here since some thousand years.

300k years.

We have Made a mess turning a perfect system into massive unbalance.

Perfect? By what standard?

We are too many and need too many resources.

What are you personally doing to reduce our numbers and reduce your resource requirements (or, alternately, to increase available resources)?

I do Hope that the current political system of democracy can heal the wounds.

What wounds?

Otherwise we will become slaves to a different system. Someone has to Clean Up the mess in the end.

Not necessarily. The natural world has a way of recycling. Perhaps not human-friendly, but we are just specks of dust in the universe.

But I predict that before, we will experience a new world war. The chances are good within the next 1000 years. Then the Problem is finished. The earth can start another evolutionary Project. Humans want it all and in the end they will loose everything.

Hm.

The earth doesnt need humans at all.

This is true.

 

[user 37518]

Our earth knows animal species since millions of years. The humans are Here since some thousand years. We have Made a mess turning a perfect system into massive unbalance. We are too many and need too many resources. I do Hope that the current political system of democracy can heal the wounds. Otherwise we will become slaves to a different system. Someone has to Clean Up the mess in the end. But I predict that before, we will experience a new world war. The chances are good within the next 1000 years. Then the Problem is finished. The earth can start another evolutionary Project. Humans want it all and in the end they will loose everything. The earth doesnt need humans at all.

This mindset is exactly why humanity has gone to hell, because humans believe other humans are just pests on the face of goddess Gaia. To answer the question posed in the title of this thread: that is what is wrong with people.

We have made a mess turning a perfect system into a massive unbalance? What perfect system? If humans weren't here then what? what is so perfect or great about a piece of rock with grass, trees and salamanders floating through the void of space? Again, a complete disregard for human life.

 

[boji]

The misanthrope has been with us since Cain was cursed with inviolacy, and forced to wander the earth. Which, as an aside is a keen thing, inviolacy.
We're always looking for ways (for example, the use of neologisms) to make our points of view impervious to attack.

Sadly for the misanthrope, public shaming or correction bounces right off them, because as they see it, your response only serves to reinforce the opinion they've judged correctly about us.

 

[Walter66]

This mindset is exactly why humanity has gone to hell, because humans believe other humans are just pests on the face of goddess Gaia. To answer the question posed in the title of this thread: that is what is wrong with people.

We have made a mess turning a perfect system into a massive unbalance? What perfect system? If humans weren't here then what? what is so perfect or great about a piece of rock with grass, trees and salamanders floating through the void of space? Again, a complete disregard for human life.

If you don't understand what Nature and Evolution makes it a perfect and balanced system, maybe this Lack of education is due to the schooling system in the US.
No Joke, I have Friends who were in the US For one year of school and they have been asked wether Hitler is still living.????
Ask ten people in the US about Europe and nine of them do know nothing.



To be a good consumer doesnt need to understand too many complex Things.

 

[user 37518]

If you don't understand what Nature and Evolution makes it a perfect and balanced system, maybe this Lack of education is due to the schooling system in the US.
No Joke, I have Friends who were in the US For one year of school and they have been asked wether Hitler is still living.????
Ask ten people in the US about Europe and nine of them do know nothing.



To be a good consumer doesnt need to understand too many complex Things.

First, I am not in the US, second I think you didn't understand what I meant.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

If you don't understand what Nature and Evolution makes it a perfect and balanced system, maybe this Lack of education is due to the schooling system in the US.

There's nothing perfect and balanced in nature. Everything is in flux. Life and death struggles play out at all scales.

Geological changes continue without regard for life on or near the surface. Volcanoes erupt, tectonic plates grind against each other or slowly subduct causing earthquakes and pushing up mountain ranges. Subduction also recycles calcium.

Our own sun periodically spews massive jets of energy our way and one day it will expand into a red giant and envelope the earth. Our moon, with its synchronous orbit gives us ocean tides which likely were key to the formation of life and its early evolution (and likely the continuation thereof) was formed from a massive collision of proto-earth and another sizeable body. The moon's orbit is slowly decaying as it's distance from earth slowly increases causing our rotational rate to slow. Tidal activity will continue to weaken.

Comets and asteroids periodically slam into the earth, totally without regard for any "perfect balance." Nearby supernovae may saturate us with harmful radiation.

Tell me again about ignorant Americans not understanding your "perfect balance" theory of nature.

No Joke, I have Friends who were in the US For one year of school and they have been asked wether Hitler is still living.????
Ask ten people in the US about Europe and nine of them do know nothing.

And there are no ignorant Europeans. None.

To be a good consumer doesnt need to understand too many complex Things.

To be full of hubris apparently causes a lack of understanding as well.

 

[user 37518]

And there are no ignorant Europeans. None.

To be full of hubris apparently causes a lack of understanding as well.

Look, there are a lot of stupid kids out there, but this guy clearly goes out, asks questions, and then just edits those who weren't able to answer. I am sure that a lot got it right and never made it to the final edit.

Now, I do see a decline on literacy on today's kids, and you don't even have to go back very far. I've been a college teacher for a bit over 10 years, and I can tell you that kids 18-24 y/o (I get to call them kids now) are more uneducated today than they were 10 years ago. I am sure that the whole Zoom-meeting education during COVID had its toll, but it is by no means the single culprit.

P.S. I think IQ tests are one of the worst metrics to measure intelligence. As an anecdote: around a month ago I finished reading William Shockley's biography (the book is called "Broken Genius" if anyone is interested); the Nobel laurate for the invention of the transistor. Leaving aside the dark side of William Shockley or his actual degree of involvement on the discovery of the transistor, the biographer—who is highly critical of Bill Shockley—leaves it very clear that William Shockley was a genius, yet, he failed to score over 130 in an IQ test, twice; so William Shockley wasn't considered "brilliant" by IQ standards. Complete BS if you ask me.

To sum up for those of you who are not very well informed about him and the amount of impact (both positive and negative) that he had in the world:

• He graduated from Caltech and a PhD from MIT.
• He worked as a project director at Bell Labs and, along with Walter Brattain and John Bardeen, discovered the transistor effect, and won the Nobel for it.
• He also invented the good old BJT, and laid out the basis for the JFET. And also had an involvement on many semiconductor devices.
• He was an authority when it came to semiconductor physics; he wrote a book about it and taught at Stanford for many years.
• He personally hired and hand-picked young PhD graduates, who later came to be known as the "Traitorous 8" for quitting Shockley Semiconductor and founding Fairchild Semiconductor; amongst which were Robert Noyce and Gordon Moore (the one who coined "Moore's law") who then founded Intel.
• He was an excellent statistician—particularly good at operations research—who worked a lot during WWII to help fight the Nazis and many other things that helped the government, such as radar research and statistics reports to take many important decisions during the war.
• He also sent a report to the POTUS regarding the number of estimated Japanese deaths that had to occur in order for Japan to surrender at the end of WWII; some people claim that this report was the determining factor that made Truman take the decision to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, other say it came in after the decision had already been made.
• He wrote some of the first reports on how nuclear could be used as a reliable source of energy or as a force of destruction, IIRC, even before the Manhattan project.

So, to claim that this man wasn't intelligent enough because he didn't score 130 or higher on an IQ test is plain ridiculous.

 

[Recording Engineer]

Look, there are a lot of stupid kids out there, but this guy clearly goes out, asks questions, and then just edits those who weren't able to answer. I am sure that a lot got it right and never made it to the final edit.

Now, I do see a decline on literacy on today's kids, and you don't even have to go back very far. I've been a college teacher for a bit over 10 years, and I can tell you that kids 18-24 y/o (I get to call them kids now) are more uneducated today than they were 10 years ago. I am sure that the whole Zoom-meeting education during COVID had its toll, but it is by no means the single culprit.

P.S. I think IQ tests are one of the worst metrics to measure intelligence. As an anecdote: around a month ago I finished reading William Shockley's biography (the book is called "Broken Genius" if anyone is interested); the Nobel laurate for the invention of the transistor. Leaving aside the dark side of William Shockley or his actual degree of involvement on the discovery of the transistor, the biographer—who is highly critical of Bill Shockley—leaves it very clear that William Shockley was a genius, yet, he failed to score over 130 in an IQ test, twice; so William Shockley wasn't considered "brilliant" by IQ standards. Complete BS if you ask me.

To sum up for those of you who are not very well informed about him and the amount of impact (both positive and negative) that he had in the world:

• He graduated from Caltech and a PhD from MIT.
• He worked as a project director at Bell Labs and, along with Walter Brattain and John Bardeen, discovered the transistor effect, and won the Nobel for it.
• He also invented the good old BJT, and laid out the basis for the JFET. And also had an involvement on many semiconductor devices.
• He was an authority when it came to semiconductor physics; he wrote a book about it and taught at Stanford for many years.
• He personally hired and hand-picked young PhD graduates, who later came to be known as the "Traitorous 8" for quitting Shockley Semiconductor and founding Fairchild Semiconductor; amongst which were Robert Noyce and Gordon Moore (the one who coined "Moore's law") who then founded Intel.
• He was an excellent statistician—particularly good at operations research—who worked a lot during WWII to help fight the Nazis and many other things that helped the government, such as radar research and statistics reports to take many important decisions during the war.
• He also sent a report to the POTUS regarding the number of estimated Japanese deaths that had to occur in order for Japan to surrender at the end of WWII; some people claim that this report was the determining factor that made Truman take the decision to drop the bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, other say it came in after the decision had already been made.
• He wrote some of the first reports on how nuclear could be used as a reliable source of energy or as a force of destruction, IIRC, even before the Manhattan project.

So, to claim that this man wasn't intelligent enough because he didn't score 130 or higher on an IQ test is plain ridiculous.

Well Fauci and Gates are pure evil and none of their achievements and efforts show otherwise, so Skockley’s achievements and efforts certainly don’t prove his intelligence… I kid, I kid…

But in all seriousness, I agree with you on your Shockley example.

 

[soliloqueen]

Some people are just very poor testers with IQ tests. My standardized IQ test was in the low 90s or high 80s I think. My brain shorts out when I look at a piece of paper
I think the highest I got was 110 and it was still a slog. Took me twice as long as everyone else. They don't "speak my language."

 

[user 37518]

Well Fauci and Gates are pure evil and none of their achievements and efforts prove otherwise, so Skockley’s achievements and efforts certainly don’t prove his intelligence either… I kid, I kid…

But in all seriousness, I agree with you on your Shockley example.

You kid, you kid, but you don't. We have a saying here, which will be totally lost in translation, but it loosely translates to something like "Between jokes, the truth peeks in", I guess the English language has something similar like "behind every joke there is some truth", but in Spanish it sounds better because it rhymes. So you are definitely fishing but you just don't want to face the music.

BTW, Fauci and Gates didn't invent anything or contributed to mankind like Shockley did, Gates, in any case, stole it or bought it, and I wouldn't consider Windows a contribution, in any case it was an impediment for good OS to be available for years. Also, no one denies they are intelligent, they are what Sen. John Kennedy refers to as "High-IQ Stupid People". And yes Gates is evil (Fauci, I think is just a pawn who ended up as a conceited fool remembered as "The Science"), but that doesn't make Gates or Fauci stupid. In any case, I also think Shockley was kinda evil, read his bio, his thoughts on race and eugenics were considered scandalous even back in the day.

 

[Recording Engineer]

You kid, you kid, but you don't. We have a saying here, which will be totally lost in translation, but it loosely translates to something like "Between jokes, the truth peeks in", I guess the English language has something similar like "behind every joke there is some truth", but in Spanish it sounds better because it rhymes. So you are definitely fishing but you just don't want to face the music.

BTW, Fauci and Gates didn't invent anything or contributed to mankind like Shockley did, Gates, in any case, stole it or bought it, and I wouldn't consider Windows a contribution, in any case it was an impediment for good OS to be available for years. Also, no one denies they are intelligent, they are what Sen. John Kennedy refers to as "High-IQ Stupid People". And yes Gates is evil (Fauci, I think is just a pawn who ended up as a conceited fool remembered as "The Science"), but that doesn't make Gates or Fauci stupid. In any case, I also think Shockley was kinda evil, read his bio, his thoughts on race and eugenics were considered scandalous even back in the day.

No. It was purely a joke and most important of all, absolutely no fishing exposition whatsoever… But up to anyone to read between the lines, any way they choose, if they choose. Clearly, you chose.

 

[user 37518]

No. It was purely a joke and most important of all, absolutely no fishing exposition whatsoever… But up to anyone to read between the lines, any way they choose, if they choose. Clearly, you chose.

Well, you have been fishing during every interaction we've had, so what exactly would make it different this time? Not only with me, but with many of the other members here, there is some passive-agressiveness there.

 

[Recording Engineer]

Well, you have been fishing during every interaction we've had, so what exactly would make it different this time?

If you consider anything I’ve ever said here fishing, compared you or anyone else here, then so be it.

 

[user 37518]

Some people are just very poor testers with IQ tests. My standardized IQ test was in the low 90s or high 80s I think. My brain shorts out when I look at a piece of paper
I think the highest I got was 110 and it was still a slog. Took me twice as long as everyone else. They don't "speak my language."

I've learned to realize that IQ tests mean nothing, and if they do, they are irrelevant to what a person is capable of doing. William James Sidis, an IQ between 250-300, considered to be the most intelligent human being in history, his life was as irrelevant as a life can be.

 

[user 37518]

If you consider anything I’ve ever said here fishing, compared you or anyone else here, then so be it.

The discussion here wasn't even an argument, it was a plain conversation, and you decided to "kid" (and the way you did it) about a topic which you knew very well that would cause a reaction. Don't play the innocent card.

 

[Recording Engineer]

The discussion here wasn't even an argument, it was a plain conversation, and you decided to "kid" (and the way you did it) about a topic which you knew very well that would cause a reaction. Don't play the innocent card.

Don’t put YOUR reaction on me. It was YOUR reaction. No card played because it was a genuine joke. You honestly think I wanted to hear more Fauci and Gates evil BS from you or anyone else? However, clearly that’s what YOU chose to do. I can live with it.

 

[user 37518]

Don’t put YOUR reaction on me. It was YOUR reaction.

Yeah, my reaction to your provocation. Quit it already. No amount of caps will change the facts.

 

[Walter66]

We can't measure the brain. What this so called IQ Test does simple is to use brain For only some specific Tasks, which I only do average on. This Test is trainable For better results. I still think that effort to become an expert in a specific field of interesting can Back Up a Lack of IQ, the asian school system shows it and even the Indian system. Just laugh Today over europeans Mathematica Level of education. We have lost many knowledge but we can Google it and use calculators. So everything is fine it seems.

 

[Recording Engineer]

Yeah, my reaction to your provocation. Quit it already. No amount of caps will change the facts.

It’s right there for all to read. Anyone can make it out to what they want it to be. You want to keep on insisting it was a provocation. Fine. But for your own sake, maybe not take everything so seriously? THIS was not serious. How about them caps?

I truly am sorry for interjecting at all, even if it was for some fun; it’s good to accept a little poke out of fun. I know better with you now. Won’t happen again. Sir.

 

[user 37518]

We have lost many knowledge but we can Google it and use calculators. So everything is fine it seems.

Funny that you mention that. I remember a talk by Conrad Wolfram who, after a rant of 18 minutes of why humans should stop learning about computing things by hand, he made an ass out of himself by trying to prove a point by having his phone solve an equation and miserably fail; and then proceeded as if nothing happened and said "it is so immediate and direct" (nevermind that the polynomial was never solved). Here is the excerpt of the talk:

 

[user 37518]

You want to keep on insisting it was a provocation........How about them caps?

And you claim you are not provocating, and, as always, your contradictory way of thinking is staggering. You say something, immediately followed by a statement which contradicts the one before.

 

[Walter66]

There's nothing perfect and balanced in nature. Everything is in flux. Life and death struggles play out at all scales.

Geological changes continue without regard for life on or near the surface. Volcanoes erupt, tectonic plates grind against each other or slowly subduct causing earthquakes and pushing up mountain ranges. Subduction also recycles calcium.

Our own sun periodically spews massive jets of energy our way and one day it will expand into a red giant and envelope the earth. Our moon, with its synchronous orbit gives us ocean tides which likely were key to the formation of life and its early evolution (and likely the continuation thereof) was formed from a massive collision of proto-earth and another sizeable body. The moon's orbit is slowly decaying as it's distance from earth slowly increases causing our rotational rate to slow. Tidal activity will continue to weaken.

Comets and asteroids periodically slam into the earth, totally without regard for any "perfect balance." Nearby supernovae may saturate us with harmful radiation.

Tell me again about ignorant Americans not understanding your "perfect balance" theory of nature.


And there are no ignorant Europeans. None.

Of course, there are.

To be full of hubris apparently causes a lack of understanding as well.

This Level of ineducation is already remarkable. It seems a phenomenon of the US society to Deal with a wide percentage of fools, unknown to Europe.
Im very sure that with a good and Solid european education someone Young and fresh coming to the US can make it there, while Here you are only one of millions.
You can See this with the differences in car driving licenses. If they would have the Standards of Germany, 90 percent of US drivers would never make it to Drive a car. Its that simple in the US. But otherweise, it wouldnt Work Out the way it does. They give it nearly as a Gift to everyone who can Pay For it.

 

[user 37518]

Well that Youtube video surely settles the argument.

 

[Walter66]

Funny that you mention that. I remember a talk by Conrad Wolfram who, after a rant of 18 minutes of why humans should stop learning about computing things by hand, he made an ass out of himself by trying to prove a point by having his phone solve an equation and miserably fail; and then proceeded as if nothing happened and said "it is so immediate and direct". Here is the excerpt of the talk:

Google often delivers three millions of search results which only a small Number from is usable. The Rest is mostly Trash. Thats how good Computer are Today.
I was a Computer nerd at the early stages of Apple II and learning programming.
Today, everyone uses them For mostly social Media and porn consumption.
A great success of mankind to become more knowledgeable. Sarcasm Mode Off.

 

[user 37518]

Google often delivers three millions of search results which only a small Number from is usable. The Rest is mostly Trash. Thats how good Computer are Today.
I was a Computer nerd at the early stages of Apple II and learning programming.
Today, everyone uses them For mostly social Media and porn consumption.
A great success of mankind to become more knowledgeable. Sarcasm Mode Off.

The majority of the public uses computers for banal stuff, but all the advancements in science are due to computers. No one uses analytic equations for most of the stuff nowadays, it is all numerical modelling and simulation. Good luck trying to design a high-frequency amplifier, or modelling the acoustics of a venue, or the electromagnetic radiation pattern of a phone, all by hand using exact equations only.

It has its downsides, this numerical modelling has been abused to death, at some point it has become just a glorified hit and miss approach to solving things until something just pops out with the correct answer.

All my years of engineering education have taught me this: at the beginning you start experimenting, trying things randomly and doing them without really knowing what you are doing, then, you get into college and you have a better understanding of how things work and you believe you finally understood everything, then you get to your masters and develop a better theory but things start getting more fuzzy and realize that it wasn't as simple as you thought during your undergrad years, then you get to PhD and things get really fuzzy and you and other people like you are trying to figure out what the hell is going on; so you go back full circle and start experimenting to see what works and what doesn't, but this time you believe you know what your are doing.

 

[Walter66]

Thanks For Sharing your Insights, Im no scientific Guy, Just studied engineering and thats what I still Like to do as a hobbyist. There are Always people who Like to be entertained all day Long and Others who strieve For education.
I don't think our schooling system does it very good, Most people don't want to spend time there. And they graduate without knowledge in relevant fields of life. I don't know what they learn in all those years, but a lot time seems wasted to me

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Of course, there are.

I wryly note that you failed to respond to the facts that disprove your "perfectly balanced" thesis.

This Level of ineducation is already remarkable. It seems a phenomenon of the US society to Deal with a wide percentage of fools, unknown to Europe.

European fools may be more educated in some ways, but they remain fools.

Im very sure that with a good and Solid european education someone Young and fresh coming to the US can make it there,

Many have.

while Here you are only one of millions.

We don't need to go to Europe to succeed. There's plenty of opportunity here and with less regulatory (and other) baggage.

You can See this with the differences in car driving licenses. If they would have the Standards of Germany, 90 percent of US drivers would never make it to Drive a car. Its that simple in the US. But otherweise, it wouldnt Work Out the way it does. They give it nearly as a Gift to everyone who can Pay For it.

Why is it somehow better to have over-constrained requirements for basic privileges? I could care less what Germany does for licensing. The vast majority here in the US do fine. It really isn't that difficult to learn to drive, but y'all sure seem to love hierarchy, bureaucracy, and control there. Having worked with and for several German immigrants I can say that this mindset clearly persists and causes problems here.