WTF Florida?

[user 37518]

I don't understand your point - the context was the available information at that time in the pandemic. Put this in context:

“It’s going to disappear. One day, it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.” Anyway, I'm not going to rehash this. We'll all believe what we want to believe, and I'll believe the ignorant on social media cuando la rana crie nalgas y el sapo pelo.

No, the context was forced vaccination with a false promise that people wouldn't get infected.

 

[Recording Engineer]

THAT was NOT the promise… THAT selection of cuts is someone trying to fit a narrative.

Raise of hands; Who fell for the supposed promise then? THAT is NOT how ANY vaccine works! A quick search will tell you that!

 

[JohnRoberts]

Admitting you're wrong..try it sometime.

I've been wrong multiple times over the decades.

(Also, this isn't primarily a logic issue, so there's that little detail as well.)

I was attempting to craft a thesis about possible triggers for stroke. I believe logic is indeed involved in such an exercise... Data would then be needed to prove a thesis. I only found one other stroke (data?) reported from that community, that day.

JR

 

[user 37518]

THAT was NOT the promise… THAT selection of cuts is someone trying to fit a narrative.

Raise of hands; Who fell for the supposed promise then? THAT is NOT how ANY vaccine works! A quick search will tell you that!

Too bad a quick search wasn't so easy back then, YouTube videos were taken down, Facebook took down posts, and many labeled as misinformation anyone who opposed the general discourse. The president said you were going to be fine, Fauci said you were not going to be infected with the vaccine, many lost their jobs because they failed to comply to the jab.

In any case, those who did do the search back then were labeled as deniers and conspiracy theorists, and still are...

 

[Recording Engineer]

Wait… Sorry. Somehow I missed what’s being talked about here is getting Covid FROM the vaccine; NOT being infected after getting the vaccine. That can be two different things.

The former definitely WAS the promise and NOT the latter. Of course an anti-vaxxer conspiracy-theorist says that promise was a lie. OK.

 

[hodad]

Data would then be needed to prove a thesis.

I too have a thesis: a space alien snuck into my house last night and drank my last beer. But I need data, dammit!! How can my theory ever be proven wrong until I find a space alien?????

 

[user 37518]

I too have a thesis: a space alien snuck into my house last night and drank my last beer. But I need data, dammit!! How can my theory ever be proven wrong until I find a space alien?????

Well, apparently the Pentagon would say yes, apparently a Mothership is ready to prove your theory. This is way past ridiculous....

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Wait… Sorry. Somehow I missed what’s being talked about here

Finally...

is getting Covid FROM the vaccine; NOT being infected after getting the vaccine. That can be two different things.

The former definitely WAS the promise and NOT the latter. Of course an anti-vaxxer conspiracy-theorist says that promise was a lie. OK.

No, the lie was real all along. "The Science," various "experts" with an agenda, and powerful bureaucrats in government knowingly promulgated falsehoods. Then the mostly complicit and compliant media repeated it and continuously attacked anyone (including actual doctors and scientists) who dared ask questions or disagree with the lies "anti-vaxxer conspiracy-theorists" and programmed people like you to parrot the same ignorant meme. Good job!

 

[Recording Engineer]

…Programmed people like you to parrot the same ignorant meme… Can be said about you or anyone else all day long, but how is that adding to the conversation? We already know your distain for me.

 

[jasonallenh]

It's not a law (yet) but FL is where woke goes to die.

JR

Florida bill would require bloggers who write about governor to register with the state

You'd have to notify the state if you write a paid blog post about an elected official in Florida, and you'd have to disclose how much you were paid for said post. Failure to notify would result in a maximum fine of $2500 per post.

DeSantis's fascist experiment expands yet again.........

Honestly, it's kind of a "be careful what you wish for" situation- a lot of these far-right outlets (Daily Wire, PragerU, etc) don't make money. Their whole elaborate media operations are just paid for by dark money.

 

[jasonallenh]

I wish they would start talking about our massive drug, crime and gun violence problem. Driving is getting pretty bad here. You'd think the lightning, hurricanes and alligators would be enough.

A certain passenger train just added some stations down here, and the first city council meetings (after one of them opened) were inundated with people upset that their new shiny train station didn't have enough trains for people to commute to their jobs at reasonable times. Kind of funny to see a group of a certain level of affluence running into what working class people see every day because we refuse to fund public mass transit and cut bus routes, etc

 

[AnalogPackrat]

…Programmed people like you to parrot the same ignorant meme… Can be said about you or anyone else all day long, but how is that adding to the conversation? We already know your distain for me.

What ignorant meme did I parrot? I am and always have been anti-authoritarian. I am and always have been skeptical. I was skeptical of team W--Cheney-Rumsfeld and WMD in 2002. Did you buy the line about yellowcake? I felt the same distrust of the bureaucrats during the Covid thing and it only got worse the longer it went on.

The difference between our views is that there is a lot of evidence pointing to Fauci et. al. having involvement in research at WIV and in covering up the origins of Covid. And in the lying about vaccine safety, efficacy, etc. as well as mask mandates. And isn't it apparent now how pointless, nay damaging, the extended lock downs were?

 

[user 37518]

And isn't it apparent now how pointless, nay damaging, the extended lock downs were?

Many loved it, in fact, IIRC (I have to check sources, but I am too lazy to do it right now) some Gaia worshippers even suggested future "climate lockdowns" because it was so good for the planet. So, to answer your question: No, they don't see it as pointless, they are looking for any excuse to do it all over again.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Many loved it, in fact, IIRC (I have to check sources, but I am too lazy to do it right now) some Gaia worshippers even suggested future "climate lockdowns" because it was so good for the planet. So, to answer your question: No, they don't see it as pointless, they are looking for any excuse to do it all over again.

True, there were definitely some people who seemed to relish being told what to do (and being enabled to be petite authoritarians in their own sad ways). Very revealing times.

 

[Recording Engineer]

What ignorant meme did I parrot?

Or I?

I am and always have been anti-authoritarian. I am and always have been skeptical. I was skeptical of team W--Cheney-Rumsfeld and WMD in 2002. Did you buy the line about yellowcake?

Nope.

The difference between our views is that there is a lot of evidence pointing to Fauci et. al. having involvement in research at WIV and in covering up the origins of Covid.

To me, there’s not enough “evidence” one way or the other and I don’t think there ever will be. Why? Because if you’re right, that means it’s not evidence toward Fauci at all, but toward our government; Fauci always had bosses and tasks passed-down to him. He was doing his job!!! Hell, the old-retired man at McDonald’s told me it’s classified higher than the President… Does he know more than most anyone? Maybe, maybe not. I’m open to the idea. How would you or I know? Again, I don’t put anything past our government!

And in the lying about vaccine safety, efficacy, etc. as well as mask mandates. And isn't it apparent now how pointless, nay damaging, the extended lock downs were?

And it happened NOT under Biden, but Trump! Does the buck NOT stop there? When does it and does it not? I can’t keep up.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Or I?

Nope.

To me, there’s not enough “evidence” one way or the other and I don’t think there ever will be. Why? Because if you’re right, that means it’s not evidence toward Fauci at all, but toward our government; Fauci always had bosses and tasks passed-down to him.

Possibly, but not necessarily 100%. He also acted independently at times. He was in a position of power and abused it. Certainly there are other government players involved.

He was doing his job!!!

I can think of other historical figures who tried that excuse.

Hell, the old-retired man at McDonald’s told me it’s classified higher than the President… Does he know more than most anyone? Maybe, maybe not. I’m open to the idea.

Please.

How would you or I know?

Gee, let's see. There's a whole branch of government tasked with keeping the executive branch in check. Maybe write your Senators and Representatives and tell them you'd like them to get to the bottom of this outrageous situation. Or, in your case, vote for better candidates than you currently have.

Again, I don’t put anything past our government!

How did we get to the point where gov is no longer responsive to those it represents? Apathy, ignorance, and voting for authoritarians (and incompetents), that's how.

And it happened NOT under Biden, but Trump!

Yes, Trump trusted the wrong guy. He was hoodwinked. I think he eventually figured it out, but it was too late to do anything about it. And the Dems would hear nothing of it anyway. Trust The Science! Bleat-bleat!

Does the buck NOT stop there?

It did. Trump screwed up. But you will recall that he tried to end the lock downs April 2020. And I doubt he would have allowed the Federal vax mandate to occur.

When does it and does it not? I can’t keep up.

It still does. Did Biden do anything helpful in that regard? No.

 

[Recording Engineer]

Possibly, but not necessarily 100%. He also acted independently at times. He was in a position of power and abused it. Certainly there are other government players involved.

Possibly, but yours is not necessarily 100% either, as it seems you present here. Regardless, I wait for all this “evidence” to be presented in court. I won’t be holding my breath for even a single court-case though. I patiently-wait go be proven wrong.

I can think of other historical figures who tried that excuse.

Please.

Please.

Why should anyone trust your “evidence” any more than that old man’s at McDonald’s; or mine, for that matter?

How did we get to the point where gov is no longer responsive to those it represents? Apathy, ignorance, and voting for authoritarians (and incompetents), that's how.

Don’t look past do or die team-politics, which is all we seem to have now, propelled by 24-hour “news”. But looking beyond it all though, what we’re really talking about probably started around WWII and has just steadily grown bigger and stronger under all administrations.

 

[crazydoc]

petite authoritarians

I love it - great neologism! (At least I haven't seen it before.) Descriptive of 99.9% of social media posters.

 

[JohnRoberts]

To me, there’s not enough “evidence” one way or the other and I don’t think there ever will be. Why? Because if you’re right, that means it’s not evidence toward Fauci at all, but toward our government; Fauci always had bosses and tasks passed-down to him. He was doing his job!!!

Fauci engineered for the NIH contracts to the Wuhan lab to go through through an intermediary organization (USAID). To keep his finger prints off the dead bodies. Almost humorously in today's news are reports that Wuhan Lab was double dipping and paid twice (by NIH and USAID). I thought NIH paid USAID, and USAID paid the Wuhan researchers.

Hell, the old-retired man at McDonald’s told me it’s classified higher than the President…

I suspect POTUS holds the highest classification by definition, but Fauci was higher paid than POTUS FWIW....

Does he know more than most anyone? Maybe, maybe not. I’m open to the idea.

He calls himself "science" .

How would you or I know? Again, I don’t put anything past our government!

question everything and everyone.

And it happened NOT under Biden, but Trump! Does the buck NOT stop there? When does it and does it not? I can’t keep up.

Sadly it looks like the west is complicit in funding GOF research... All the more reason to get to the bottom of this global cluster fsk.

Fauci appears to be guilty of lying to congress... Martha Stewart did hard time for lying to the government. Fauci has been starting to test different variants of his natural origin thesis in the press. I wonder why?

JR

 

[Recording Engineer]

Fauci engineered for the NIH contracts to the Wuhan lab to go through through an intermediary organization (USAID). To keep his finger prints off the dead bodies. Almost humorously in today's news are reports that Wuhan Lab was double dipping and paid twice (by NIH and USAID). I thought NIH paid USAID, and USAID paid the Wuhan researchers.

So this is what is known and above-ground; all legit apparently, less the the government needs a fall guy. There’s a whole bunch of what is NOT known and won’t ever be known because governments are involved. Good luck chasing your tail!

Fauci appears to be guilty of lying to congress... Martha Stewart did hard time for lying to the government. Fauci has been starting to test different variants of his natural origin thesis in the press. I wonder why?

If it’s just an evolving thesis, how is it lying? On top of that, where’s your evidence he’s lying? Why is everyone so damn concrete about absolutely everything? Is it because the person giving them their 24-hour “news” is?