crazydoc

Re: covid politics
« Reply #300 on: April 25, 2020, 02:01:51 PM »
His latest stroke of genius: injecting disinfectant  ;D ;D.

How he comes up with more stupid ideas by the day is really quite the feat.
Not surprising - just more of the usual anencephalic speculation we're used to.
Luckily, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
The secret of happiness is having low expectations.


hodad

Re: covid politics
« Reply #301 on: April 25, 2020, 05:51:16 PM »
When exchanges sink to name calling that is usually a sign that the arguments have no real merit.

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Only a small minority of states pay more to the fed than they get back (around 10 of them). I just checked and GA is also sucking on that same government teat. Does that mean they are all "welfare queens" too?

JR


I think the point is that McConnell needs to shut his f*cking mouth when it comes to letting blue states go bankrupt.  He's as sleazy, corrupt, and amoral a politician as Washington has on offer these days. 

Cuomo is not making up the framing--he's simply throwing Republican framing back in McConnell's face.  A lot of us (in fact, I'm betting a majority of us)--obviously including Cuomo--are absolutely sick of nonstop Republican hypocrisy.  It's really getting old. 

I think Dems (and some Republicans) are fully aware that, especially now, this is the United States of America, and we've got to act like it.  We are all in this together, and scumbags like McConnell need to leave their petty, partisan BS at home.
« Last Edit: April 25, 2020, 05:56:25 PM by hodad »

JohnRoberts

Re: covid politics
« Reply #302 on: April 25, 2020, 06:39:20 PM »
I sure hope you are keeping safe and feeding your head.

You sound angrier than most forum members these days.  If I am your personal trigger I apologize. 

Be well.

JR
Cancel the "cancel culture", do not participate in mob hatred.

Matador

Re: covid politics
« Reply #303 on: April 25, 2020, 07:04:00 PM »
If Cuomo is trying to win friends and influence people to secure the federal aid to states legislation in play, this does not seem like a productive negotiating strategy.  ::)
This is just the opening to a negotiation, after all.  He making his point by going to the extreme and trying to negotiate back to the middle.

Cuomo should be taken seriously, not literally.  Those looking to parse meaning from his press conferences would best spend their time elsewhere.

kambo

Re: covid politics
« Reply #304 on: April 25, 2020, 10:01:02 PM »
I think Dems (and some Republicans) are fully aware that, especially now, this is the United States of America, and we've got to act like it.  We are all in this together, and scumbags like McConnell need to leave their petty, partisan BS at home.


What do u call Pelosi and her friends  ::)
get freaking real  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

JohnRoberts

Re: covid politics
« Reply #305 on: April 25, 2020, 10:44:26 PM »
This is just the opening to a negotiation, after all.  He making his point by going to the extreme and trying to negotiate back to the middle.

Cuomo should be taken seriously, not literally.  Those looking to parse meaning from his press conferences would best spend their time elsewhere.
I need to save this....   ;D ;D ;D  I think I've heard this somewhere before... (like right here, from me).

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Another criticism of Cuomo is that he is coming from a "NY state of mind"... appropriate for the governor of NY, but a stretch to suggest that the senate majority leader is only representing KY.

JR

PS: I was born just miles from NYC and grew up in Northern New Jersey so I get the NYC mindset.
Cancel the "cancel culture", do not participate in mob hatred.

hodad

Re: covid politics
« Reply #306 on: April 26, 2020, 03:33:29 AM »
I need to save this....   ;D ;D ;D  I think I've heard this somewhere before... (like right here, from me).

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Another criticism of Cuomo is that he is coming from a "NY state of mind"... appropriate for the governor of NY, but a stretch to suggest that the senate majority leader is only representing KY.


He's also representing his wife's family's business in China--we can't forget that constituency! 

I read a good bit of the transcript of Cuomo's comments on McConnell, and more than anything he sounded righteously pissed--there may be bargaining coming, but what Cuomo said, I believe, was out of sheer disgust with Mitch McConnell. 

And with good reason.  He's been weak at best during this crisis, but more often he's been gumming up the works, slowing down the process of getting money to where it's needed, and he's spent a lot of time ensuring that the ultra-wealthy (his real consituency) are taken care of. 

He should be called out for the crap he spouts--it's exactly what this country doesn't need in this time of crisis.

kambo

Re: covid politics
« Reply #307 on: April 26, 2020, 06:22:49 AM »
He's also representing his wife's family's business in China--we can't forget that constituency! 

And with good reason.  He's been weak at best during this crisis, but more often he's been gumming up the works, slowing down the process of getting money to where it's needed, and he's spent a lot of time ensuring that the ultra-wealthy (his real constituency) are taken care of. 

He should be called out for the crap he spouts--it's exactly what this country doesn't need in this time of crisis.

just to be make sure, before i give my support on this;
are you talking about NY Governor  ?

iturnknobs

Re: covid politics
« Reply #308 on: April 26, 2020, 08:37:43 AM »
While I cannot read minds, they appear to be protesting the governor's overly restrictive shut down as fascist.

JR

South Korea did it the right way and only had 200 deaths, and they've already re-opened. They had their first COVID death approximately the same day as us. We've got 50,000+ deaths. Quickly approaching the Vietnam death toll. If people would have all stayed home for 3-4 weeks, we could have already been done with this for the most part, but 'Murica. As these idiots protest, it stretches out the time that I will go without working. I'm doing the right thing and suffering longer as these selfish jerks(seems to be mostly on the right)continue to exercise their "freedom" while slowly infecting others. I saw this lockdown coming and went out and purchased what I needed. I've ordered other items via delivery to stay at home. The only thing that appears to be overly restrictive is blood flow to certain individuals brains. Freedom, God and guns... with a little racism. Idiots.
Election 2020.  For the people, not the money.

iturnknobs

Re: covid politics
« Reply #309 on: April 26, 2020, 08:56:07 AM »
His latest stroke of genius: injecting disinfectant  ;D ;D.

How he comes up with more stupid ideas by the day is really quite the feat.

...or maybe you could get light inside the body, or something...

The idiot just can't stop talking, can he? I'm ashamed to think how our country is perceived by others around the world. I'm guessing the slogan "America First" is not only offensive, but laughable at this point. May we get what we deserve... As a collective whole, we've asked for it(or didn't speak out against it loudly enough).

*edited for grammatical boo-boos
« Last Edit: April 26, 2020, 09:12:12 AM by iturnknobs »
Election 2020.  For the people, not the money.


volker

Re: covid politics
« Reply #310 on: April 26, 2020, 10:29:21 AM »
The story gets even worse: https://www.wbez.org/stories/illinois-covid-19-testing-sets-new-daily-milestone/b8c20556-53e3-42a9-af0f-f4ede8c14025

Quote
Two Illinoisans exposed themselves to toxic household disinfectants because of President Trump’s advocacy for using the chemicals as a possible treatment for the novel coronavirus, a state-funded poison-control hotline confirmed Friday.

“These were actual exposures, where individuals misused cleaning products due to what they heard the president say,” said Danny Chun, a spokesman for the emergency poison-control hotline that operates around the clock.

iturnknobs

Re: covid politics
« Reply #311 on: April 26, 2020, 10:51:15 AM »
The story gets even worse: https://www.wbez.org/stories/illinois-covid-19-testing-sets-new-daily-milestone/b8c20556-53e3-42a9-af0f-f4ede8c14025

Funny, that's my local National Public Radio station. I heard that piece of news. I guess Lysol's public statement following the White House "press briefing" didn't make it to the "fake news" outlets fast enough. CDC issued warnings against "sarcasm" also. This country's president is a fool and so are most that listen to him. I had to stop watching well over a week ago. I couldn't handle him being unable to handle himself and his own words as reporters were being belittled for holding him accountable for what he says. Maybe he should just shut his mouth. Scary times.
#I'm not a scientist
Election 2020.  For the people, not the money.

JohnRoberts

Re: covid politics
« Reply #312 on: April 26, 2020, 11:10:07 AM »
South Korea did it the right way and only had 200 deaths, and they've already re-opened. They had their first COVID death approximately the same day as us. We've got 50,000+ deaths. Quickly approaching the Vietnam death toll. If people would have all stayed home for 3-4 weeks, we could have already been done with this for the most part, but 'Murica. As these idiots protest, it stretches out the time that I will go without working. I'm doing the right thing and suffering longer as these selfish jerks(seems to be mostly on the right)continue to exercise their "freedom" while slowly infecting others. I saw this lockdown coming and went out and purchased what I needed. I've ordered other items via delivery to stay at home. The only thing that appears to be overly restrictive is blood flow to certain individuals brains. Freedom, God and guns... with a little racism. Idiots.
Quote from: HL Menken
For every complex problem there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong
It isn't quite that simple....  South Korea did a better job with testing than we did (early on), and South Korea was far more active with contact tracing and quarantining contacts. We still haven't sorted our privacy concerns from widespread contact tracing (like apple/google smart phone app).

CT started flying around drones that can detect fevers in people on the ground. Westport declined to use the drones to spy on its own citizens.
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"if people would have stayed home for 3 weeks"...... what people? the infected from Wuhan region that flew around the world spreading the deadly virus?

The story from China keeps getting worse... they locked down travel out of Wuhan to the rest of China, while allowing air flights to countries outside China. Then China started buying up PPE supplies, creating scarcity and shortages in PPE supplies around the world, since China was the major source of them.
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Yes President Trump talks too much, sometimes with incompletely formed thoughts. Unwise when speaking from the bully pulpit especially when low information citizens may take his blather literally.  Maybe reflecting on this will change his behavior, or not. I have seen only minor changes over recent years so am not very optimistic. He could be far more effective politician with more message discipline. He is still the same blowhard real estate developer we elected. At least he understands business.

JR


Cancel the "cancel culture", do not participate in mob hatred.

iturnknobs

Re: covid politics
« Reply #313 on: April 26, 2020, 11:51:00 AM »
It isn't quite that simple....  South Korea did a better job with testing than we did (early on), and South Korea was far more active with contact tracing and quarantining contacts. We still haven't sorted our privacy concerns from widespread contact tracing (like apple/google smart phone app).

This country has a president that discounted scientific advisors and denied that this would even come to fruition in our country. He then denied numbers of cases and tried to hide the information because he was "worried about his polling numbers" instead of acting in a preventative manner(as a leader should). Other countries acted when our leader intentionally withheld information from the public for personal benefit. It doesn't get any simpler. All other arguments are a distraction from the real situation at hand.

The China argument(mostly coming from the right) is downright scary. This could have been way different if we didn't have a selfish sociopath for a president. Pointing fingers outwardly instead of reflecting inwardly is cowardly and pointless. Not only that, but picking a fight with the largest country in the world seems to be yet another "brilliant" idea. We are all HUMAN and this virus does not discriminate. Our numbers are proof that we have handled this pandemic worse than any other country in the world, and now we(not myself)want to blame someone other than ourselves.

At least he understands business

He inherited his money from Daddy. He bankrupted a casino. A place where people go to throw their money away... and I'm not sure I see the benefit in our current situation. Please refer to my "signature tag".
Election 2020.  For the people, not the money.

iturnknobs

Election 2020.  For the people, not the money.

Matador

Re: covid politics
« Reply #315 on: April 26, 2020, 12:34:14 PM »
At least he understands business.

JR
Quote from: Lewis Carroll
Alice laughed. 'There's no use trying,' she said. 'One can't believe impossible things.'

I daresay you haven't had much practice,' said the Queen. 'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast. There goes the shawl again!

JohnRoberts

Re: covid politics
« Reply #316 on: April 26, 2020, 12:49:29 PM »
They need to reposition  "The Heathers" movie as an educational film....   ::)

JR
Cancel the "cancel culture", do not participate in mob hatred.

iturnknobs

Re: covid politics
« Reply #317 on: April 26, 2020, 01:37:53 PM »
I posted something fake and have removed it. I apologize.
Election 2020.  For the people, not the money.

crazydoc

Re: covid politics
« Reply #318 on: April 26, 2020, 02:38:07 PM »
Good news - the US is going to hit 1,000,000 cases and more deaths than Viet Nam this week, in large part due to a lack of competent leadership by a failed chicken sh!t draft dodging snake oil salesman, with the support of a huge group of humans whose psychopathy I fail to comprehend. Just venting - carry on.
Luckily, there is more than one way to skin a cat.
The secret of happiness is having low expectations.

hodad

Re: covid politics
« Reply #319 on: April 27, 2020, 12:56:39 PM »
From an article about Mitch McConnell's recent shenanigans: 
United States senators from smaller, poorer red states do not only represent their states. Often, they do not even primarily represent their states. They represent, more often, the richest people in bigger, richer blue States who find it more economical to invest in less expensive small-state races. The biggest contributor to Mitch McConnell’s 2020 campaign and leadership committee is a PAC headquartered in Englewood, New Jersey. The second is a conduit for funds from real-estate investors. The third is the tobacco company Altria. The fourth is the parcel delivery service UPS. The fifth is the Eli Lilly pharmaceutical corporation. The sixth is the home health-care company, LHC Group. The seventh is the Blackstone hedge fund.

This is the face of the American plutocracy. 


 

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