Antagonist in Chief

[hodad]

The truth, apparently, is too inconvenient to be considered by conservative Supreme Court justices:

Alito persisted in asking about the coach being fired — six times he said it, to the point that the lawyer finally corrected him. Which is a touchy thing to do with a Supreme Court justice.


“It’s not a question of firing, and in fact, he was put on paid leave,” the lawyer pleaded, fruitlessly, to Alito.

In the end, it all was too complicated. The effect of the court’s order is that Bremerton has to reinstate someone who didn’t apply for the job then and doesn’t appear eager for it now.

The story of the praying Bremerton coach keeps getting more surreal

 

[Matador]

The truth, apparently, is too inconvenient to be considered by conservative Supreme Court justices:

It's the feature, not a bug.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

And you folks left out important facts as well. From the Wikipedia page on the case:

"After Kennedy continued this prayer for two more games, the board put him on paid leave for violating the school's policies and endangering students. The board suggested to not renew Kennedy's annual contract, and Kennedy did not re-apply."

The school board recommended his contract not be renewed. That's the violation. Intimidation/threats like that are the problem. The same applies in some states to things like construction contracts. If a contractor threatens to walk off of a job, he's violated the contract by "threat of abandonment" which is an intimidation tactic.

 

[Recording Engineer]

And somehow, it doesn’t apply to sitting politicians, threatening to withhold funding that they are required to fund by law.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

And somehow, it doesn’t apply to sitting politicians, threatening to withhold funding that they are required to fund by law.

That's what happens when we elect too many lawyers (who like to game the system) and then fail to replace them when they screw us.

 

[hodad]

And you folks left out important facts as well. From the Wikipedia page on the case:

"After Kennedy continued this prayer for two more games, the board put him on paid leave for violating the school's policies and endangering students. The board suggested to not renew Kennedy's annual contract, and Kennedy did not re-apply."

The school board recommended his contract not be renewed. That's the violation. Intimidation/threats like that are the problem. The same applies in some states to things like construction contracts. If a contractor threatens to walk off of a job, he's violated the contract by "threat of abandonment" which is an intimidation tactic.

You seemed to miss the point. He was not in fact fired. Contracts are not renewed pretty frequently. The guy didn’t reapply, so what was he deprived of? The entire decision was built on lies and distortions. Being fired is different from paid leave. Being fired is different from having the school board recommend against contract renewal. Being fired is different from not re-applying for your job. A justice on the highest court in the land should not be misrepresenting the facts of the case in arguments, and a decision should not be built on distortions and lies. Period.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

You seemed to miss the point. He was not in fact fired. Contracts are not renewed pretty frequently. The guy didn’t reapply, so what was he deprived of? The entire decision was built on lies and distortions. Being fired is different from paid leave. Being fired is different from having the school board recommend against contract renewal. Being fired is different from not re-applying for your job. A justice on the highest court in the land should not be misrepresenting the facts of the case in arguments, and a decision should not be built on distortions and lies. Period.

Not having his contract renewed is the same thing as being fired. Simply threatening to fire someone based on religious status is illegal. Again your ideology and personal dislike for certain choices others make has blinded you to reality.

 

[hodad]

Not having his contract renewed is the same thing as being fired.

No. Not at all. Sorry, dude. Has nothing to do with ideology from my side. I'm sorry you're so blinded by your own beliefs.

Simply threatening to fire someone based on religious status is illegal.

It wasn't religious beliefs (what is religious "status" anyway?). It was what his actions while on the job. And again, not fired.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

No. Not at all. Sorry, dude. Has nothing to do with ideology from my side. I'm sorry you're so blinded by your own beliefs.

The law isn't up for misinterpretation by activist judges like Sotomayor. Sorry to burst your bubble.

It wasn't religious beliefs (what is religious "status" anyway?). It was what his actions while on the job. And again, not fired.

Not illegal. Figure it out.

 

[hodad]

Sorry to burst your bubble.

Here's another bubble to burst in your brain: He didn't even reapply for the position. How does that equate to firing if he didn't even show interest in having his contract renewed?

I'm done here. I can't argue with people who aren't connected to reality.

 

[Recording Engineer]

Not having his contract renewed is the same thing as being fired.

Absolutely not, in a court of law. It’s the same as being out of a job, but not the same as being fired. It’s straight-forward, unless you’re Bill Clinton; which is exactly what they got him on. Is that really the game we’re playing? It certainly seems so.

 

[Matador]

He didn't even reapply for the position.

Just image how different the outcome would have been if he had prayed to Allah before each game. He'd be eating the lunch special in Guantanamo Bay before the day was over.

 

[Recording Engineer]

I’ve thought the same. One can only imagine, except members of Congress (for sake of their supporters) over the years don’t make us imagine. Anyone who says otherwise is only fooling themselves.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Absolutely not, in a court of law. It’s the same as being out of a job, but not the same as being fired. It’s straight-forward, unless you’re Bill Clinton; which is exactly what they got him on. Is that really the game we’re playing? It certainly seems so.

The prior history between the board and the plaintiff indicate the reason for not renewing were illegal. He knew they wouldn't employ him so he did not apply, but later filed suit. Why is this hard to understand?

I find it ironic that the left, who are all about worker's rights, fail to support a worker who happens to be disagreeable to their ideology. The ACLU has led the way off into the weeds with this kind of crap.

 

[hodad]

Just image how different the outcome would have been if he had prayed to Allah before each game.

Indeed.

It's also worth noting that what the decision portrayed as an individual, private expression of faith was in fact a very public gathering in the middle of the football field. In fact, this lie was noted in the dissent. As noted, the decision is built on fantasy. And the job, to which Mr. Kennedy was reinstated by the court, remains unclaimed.

 

[AnalogPackrat]

Public prayer is not illegal. No one was coerced to participate. It wasn't an official nor school sanctioned thing. Whine on you crazy diamond.

 

[scott2000]

image how different the outcome would have been if he had prayed to Allah before each game

Not familiar with the tradition. Would there have to be rugs/mats laid out everywhere? I saw a family at the post office in the parking lot praying and they had mats. Not sure if there are certain times they have to pray or something...

 

[crazydoc]

Yes, apparently there are different cultural protocols for communicating with imaginary beings. Parking lots, football fields, mats, what have you.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Not familiar with the tradition. Would there have to be rugs/mats laid out everywhere? I saw a family at the post office in the parking lot praying and they had mats. Not sure if there are certain times they have to pray or something...

if you are actually asking there are something like 5 specific times a day, and prayers should be made facing toward Mecca.

Just image how different the outcome would have been if he had prayed to Allah before each game. He'd be eating the lunch special in Guantanamo Bay before the day was over.

He'd be protected by the same constitution. I can't say how the football fans would react.

JR

 

[scott2000]

Yes, apparently there are different cultural protocols for communicating with imaginary beings. Parking lots, football fields, mats, what have you.

Just read an article where hospitals have been or are adding/ updating their chapels to accommodate different faiths. Pretty interesting.
Have to admit, they have always been my favorite room in those places.... That and the cafeteria....lol