BLUE replicas!!!

[Rossi]

Cultural gap - I don't buy it. Daniel may not know the word shill (neither did I) and some languages may not have a word for it, but the activity exists in every culture. Assuming the air of a satisfied customer while actually working for (or being the head of) the company isn't considered good style anywhere.

So far we've seen no proof that more recent Blue microphone capsules are made in China. It's Daniels "opinion" (as he says) that it be so, a Blue spokesperson denies it. Whom are we to trust? I don't know. Time will tell, Daniel won't.

 

[soundguy]

[quote author="buttachunk"] every post they make (or that Toobie Snack makes about them) seems to be derailed with intentions and motives questioned... every single time.[/quote]


If every single post in regards to this circus contains questionable material its quite logical that their motives will be questioned. Its basically as simple as that. I dont know how long you've been following this mess, but the waffling and half statements in regards to this situation have been going on for LOOOOOONG befoe this board even existed, this crap was going on when this board was still at the other place and while it is definitely fun sometimes to throw stones, for someone looking for straight answers about a product this ******** is ******* TIRING.

Also, anyway you want to slice this culturally, this post is spam. There are rules on this forum, its not our problem if someone from latvia cant read or didnt bother to read and understand them and then gets called out for it. I dont feel its in anyway appropriate to make excuses just because someone didnt read the rules, if Man ley came on here shilling, this place would have an absolute meltdown over it. If you are sophisticated enough to patent a design you are positively sophisticated enough to know what is and isnt spam on this board.

I'll also suggest that ALLL of this could have been avoided if these guys were just honest and forthcoming from the beginning. Im not defending BLUE here but it really makes you wonder what the other side of this story is. This whole exercise has basically been a lesson of how to never ever under any circumstances conduct your company in public.

I don't see that as deliberately misleading, just intending to show that the capsules are not made in Europe. The warning may not be proper Western business ettiquite, but other cultures have different ways of conveying such ideas.

I think that all that anyone has wanted from either side is clear and accurate info and nothing else. I dont know what inside industry info may be out there but there is frankly nothing in the photo posted that clearly provides evidence that the capsule is manufactured in china. All that picture shows is that the capsules are different. The picture also doesnt show that the capsules ARENT manufactured in latvia as blue has claimed. I dont know how likely it may be, but the possibility *does* exist that another latvian manufacturing source could have been found (or established) by BLUE. That picture kinda really doesnt say anything and of course its posted by the company that got the shaft by the other company now under fire. This isnt about derailing someone because its fun to throw stones. Its simply asking questions because the way the information or lack of information is consistently presented from these people in regards to their own company or someone elses is just well, questionable.

dave

 

[Gus]

am I the only one wondering what the capsule design(s) is in the pictures?

The pictures look like the backplate of the backside of the capsule The distance from center and the holes(can't tell blind or thur from the pictures) not being all over the backplate is interesting because of the damping and time delay. The distance does not look the same between the capsules.

I just noted the pictures titles have front in both is this a varition of a c37 capsule?

 

[soundguy]

[quote author="buttachunk"]
I agree that this is frustrating.
[/quote]

indeed.

Want proof that this is a cultural issue ? For one, how about looking at the fact that their deal with Blue soured so badly. Appearantly they don't use contracts-- that's their culture.

It has been my understanding from reading the many posts on this topic that the one party could not come to contract terms with the other party, the whole souring was over contract, not the fact that they didnt exist.

Also, why are people assuming that Daniel is JZ himself ? He has noted that his employees have access to his computer.

whomever's fingers pushed buttons on a keyboard, the post came from the factory and is clearly designed to not read like "hello, Im an employee of this company and our products are so great". If they had just done that nobody would have anything to say had they posted their ad in the black market, but they post this crap in the wrong forum and then it comes off like some random dude who accidentally stumbled upon the violet site and is doing us a public service by informing us of this. Read that first post again. It feels like a public service but its an advertisement and we have beaten to death where advertisements should go and the moderators and the group have INVITED ads here, just stick them in the right place. Of course to advertise you need to get out of the sheeps clothing so to speak so maybe Im speaking to the choir on this one.

Dave-- you are right, I don't have much time to follow this stuff,, it's just seeming overly critical-- every time I see them post anything at all it is turned in to a witch-hunt.

with all due respect, when you conduct your **** like this, you pretty much deserve a witch hunt. I mean that in the nicest possible way too.

I don't think that posting comparison pictures is misleading.

I agree. Posting a photo of two capsules and claiming that one is chinese is ****** though. If it is chinese please please provide proof of that claim as about a million people would really like to know that. Im not defending BLUE, I just want a clear answer one way or another. I dont give an F where the mics are made, I just want to accurately know WTF is going on for the gabillionth time. If its a chinese capsule, prove it. The only thing that picture shows is the capsules are different. Big deal. JZ said he stopped making the capsules a long time ago and provided the final serial numbers which he built for BLUE. Its not a news story that the capsules in new BLUE mics are different, he told us in great detail that he ceased supplying them a looooong time ago. So why this post which functions as propaganda IMO. Of course they are different, someone else is making them. Duh. Now we've got the one company claiming that the mics are chinese. Thats intensely ****** up if they arent.

I think all anyone wants here is accurate info. Nobody is out to damage someone's business. The route that these folks chose to provide info and the way in which they provide info illicits more questions than answers most of the time.

dave

 

[MikoKensington]

You should feel blessed.

JZ is a pillar of our community.

 

[soundguy]

[quote author="buttachunk"]2. an expert testimony [/quote]

JZ would be the end all be all expert on this specific topic but that is somewhat of a conflict of interest, no?

dave

 

[Doc Holiday]

Is there a problem here?

 

[mattmoogus]

Whats the difference if its Chinese or Latvian anyway? Im only interested in sound quality and build quality, not where it was made or the shape of the people on the assembly line's eyes.


M

 

[Flatpicker]

Now you've done it! Doc Holiday is here!

Howdy, Doc. Have a seat and take a load off them feet. :razz:

 

[alk509]

[quote author="mattmoogus"]the shape of the people on the assembly line's eyes.[/quote]

The problem is not Chinese people making the mics, but the mics being made in China. China has a long history of poor industrial design, poor workmanship, poor manufacturing techniques and implementation of industrial processes, poor manufacturing consistency, poor quality control... the list goes on and on.

Even then, I agree with the general point of your argument. There are a few good things coming out of China, so who's to say this new BLUE line is not one of them?

So again: anyone actually compare the two mics?

Peace,
Al.

 

[Sammas]

Peluso's capsules are crafted in China then assembled in the USA...

Nice sounding stuff too, apparently..

 

[alk509]

[quote author="Sammas"]Peluso's capsules are crafted in China[/quote]

Actually, only the metalwork is done in China.

In any case, I'll keep my comments about the sound of them to myself. :green:

Peace,
Al.

 

[Sammas]

[quote author="alk509"][quote author="Sammas"]Peluso's capsules are crafted in China[/quote]

Actually, only the metalwork is done in China.

In any case, I'll keep my comments about the sound of them to myself. :green:

Peace,
Al.[/quote]


I've never heard one... but people seem to enjoy them from what the comments i've heard

 

[PRR]

> if you are a manufacturer of a product it is pretty much a no, no to post anything about it (or replica products for that matter)?

I WANT to hear from the gurus, the doods who live or go-broke by how good their product is. Would we lock-out or gag Fred or Dan or several others? What about that thread on the 990, where several guys, some currently selling 990-type amps, shared some of their secret tips?

I just don't like mystery-posters talking-up a product without mentioning that they have a finger in the pie. (In most other cases, it has been fairly clear that an Insider was talking.)

This wasn't even a good attempt. Someone comes in, their first post is a RAVE/RANT for one product and against another, no other input to the board: might be the boss, might be an employee, might just be a rabid fan with a one-track mind. In any case, it is one opinion form one unknown/uncertain person: I can't judge the worth of this person's opinions from one or a few posts about a single topic. And if it is just a one/few-time event, I don't even see why you guys are getting your panties all in-a-bunch. If there is one ant in the kitchen, do you bomb the house with 55 gallons of DDT? Are you that afraid of buying a Blue, Violet, or Puce mike for the wrong reason?

> am I the only one wondering what the capsule design(s) is in the pictures?

Probably. Everybody else is trying to jump on the ant.

 

[PRR]

> after I'd written a review of a BLUE mic ...they offered me a job writing manuals for them. I turned it down.

Well, OK, and I've never seen a Blue or Purple mike manual, but somebody who writes US/UK/Aus-type english should be helping the non-english-language companies write manuals that "we" can read.

Even Panasonic, who sure could afford to keep some native Californians in Japan to re-write their documents. Did you see that resistor-doc that bcarso linked?

"Resistor noise = thermal fuse + 1 / f noise .. It is thermal noise that depends on shake of speed distribution by clash of carrier and grid. It is 1 / f-noise that factor, which controlled electric current, shakes in some cause and, as the result, it arises from density of carrier and modulation of electric current. ... 1 / f-noise shall be primarily noise,.."

And we have all seen worse.

I ran into a new one. Perfectly translated, but I had no idea what it said. My new fan has a "Sleep Wind" and a "Natural Wind". Huhhh? It turns out that instead of blowing a constant 10MPH, the fan can vary 2MPH to 8MPH every few seconds, more like a gusty breeze than a mechanical fan. This concept may be very clear in the Orient, too clear to explain, but I think most americans would like a "what do it do?" explanation before they press that button.

 

[Rossi]

[quote author="buttachunk"]Rossi & Dave,
Want proof that this is a cultural issue ? For one, how about looking at the fact that their deal with Blue soured so badly. Appearantly they don't use contracts-- that's their culture.
[/quote]

Common, this is the Baltic states, not some enchanted Island in the Pacific. Of course they use contracts, and most probably some lawyers are arguing about those contracts. But that's their problem, not ours.

[quote author="buttachunk"]
Also, why are people assuming that Daniel is JZ himself ? He has noted that his employees have access to his computer.
[/quote]

I for one never had unlimited access to my boss' computer while he's away. And if JZ's employees have no computers of their own, they rarely get to surf the internet. And if they usually don't surf the internet, how come they know a place like this? How come they have figured out how to post a picture on this board - it was that person's first post. Or maybe it wasn't, because that person already posted under a different name. So I'm simply not buying the emplyees thing. Remember that JZ only came up with that explanation because someone noticed a poster's name had "mysteriously" changed and questions were being asked.

Anyway, I'd like to learn more about the capsule technology or anything else that's maybe interesting about Blue and/or Violet mics. But I'm not really interested in spam or in their legal battle. At least as long as we have no reliable information.

 

[Category 5]

They don't need access to HIS computer. If they are on the same network then the posts will come from the same IP address regardless of which terminal thay are issued from. There could be 100 computers scattered all over there facility and it would look like any one of them came from the same user, assuming your identifier is an IP address.

Some people use their workplace for interenet access since they don't have broadband at home (or even computers sometimes).

Also, whether the new BLUES are made in China or Omaha, Nebraska, if you call BLUE and tell them you want a Dragonfly to add to your current one so that you have a pair they'll ensure you that the two will be matched. Remember, "there is no need for matched pairs of BLUE since they are made to such exacting specs?"

I would consider it a considerable feat if BLUE could guarantee the new mics are the exact same as the old ones. They should at least add a Rev.2 or 2nd Edition to the name. These are NOT the same mics. The originals are labeled JZ now. A JZ-4 is a better match for a Dragonfly.

JZ designed the mics, and is still building them. IMO it is deserved that he is able to warn the public. His warnings might make more sense in a board like this since most of us have at least seen the inside of a microphone, and know what were looking at. i for one hope Danile, JZ, or whomever will still share their findings with the group, and take criticism worth a grain of salt.

Shane

 

[Bear]

It occurs to me that if they are manufacturing in China, Blue probably wouldn't try to call attention to it with a "Made in China" stamp on the capsule. They are being rather vague on what they're doing, and I have not seen them do anything but obfuscate about where their capsulses are now made.

Bear

 

[matta]

May I be so bold as to make a suggestion...

Since we are ALL at some level or another interested in how these mics sound
and now that they are available in the USA can?t we get one to Marik or Gus
to dissect and to post their thoughts?

I trust both their opinions (along with many others) and I know they will
spell it out as it is. I think this will further bolster the credibility of
these mics.

I am really rooting for the underdog here, I would love to get a Violet if
it stands up to the test.

Toobie, do you have one available to send to them? JZ? Maybe even Cat 5
would be willing to loan his out for them to take a look at?

Lets put an end to this once and for all and start talking sound and build
quality, not shills and posts that contain very little to no information...
The proof is in the pudding as we say.

Hopefully Jakob will get to try his Black Knight out soon and post his
thoughts as well.

Just some food for thought.

Cheers

Matt

 

[gyraf]

Hopefully Jakob will get to try his Black Knight out soon and post his
thoughts as well.

Black-knight tests are a bit delayed, as both our studios are booked these days.. And I'm in london for 6days next week..

Jakob E.