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the following is from the BLUE email newsletter:


Subject: Blue Mic V. Violet - Official Response
From: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected]
X-ELNK-AV: 0

We at Blue Microphones would like to make a statement regarding
the ongoing speculation over the original design of Blue?s product
line and Blue?s current business dealings. We have not
commented on these subjects until now simply because our
legal advisors have specifically recommended that we not
participate in the rumor mill. However, we now believe that the
amount of time and misguided speculation that has been
invested on these subjects by forum visitors requires a response.

This statement is intended to set the record straight and will be
the one and only comment offered by Blue Microphones.
Skipper Wise, Martins Saulespurens, and all of the dedicated
and hard-working people at Blue sincerely appreciate those who
have supported us throughout the years and those who will continue
to support Blue Microphones in the future.

First, the design issue:

At the onset of Blue?s incorporation, we hired a Latvian medical
manufacturer called Scruples to manufacture certain metals
parts and perform the final assembly of certain microphones.
Scruples, which is owned in part by Juris Zarins, signed a
non-compete agreement with Blue and used their
manufacturing expertise to construct our product.

As the Blue line caught on, our relationship with Mr. Zarins
became strained as he fought for a bigger piece of the pie.
Mr. Zarins began attempting to leverage our manufacturing
relationship with Scruples to assert claims to our products.
Mr. Zarins attempted to circumvent Blue by creating a company
called ParaBlue that would sell Blue products directly to customers.
In conjunction with these activities, Scruples became less and less
interested in cooperating with Blue?s efforts to manage production
flow and quality control. Since Scruples would not continue to meet
our needs, we found new manufacturers ? right here in America ? who could.

After Blue terminated all business relations with Scruples in
October of 2004, Scruples violated our non-compete agreement
by supplying microphones to a new company of Mr. Zarins,? Violet
Designs, whose trademark infringes on Blue's trademark. Mr. Zarins
began creating unauthorized duplications of our products under the
name JZ Equipment, which was in clear violation of both our
intellectual property rights and the non-compete agreement.
Mr. Zarins has also made a deceptive attempt to register Blue?s
microphone designs with the European Union.

So, did Scruples make choices in what techniques and technologies
should be used to manufacture Blue?s products? Of course, that?s
what they were hired and paid to do. Did Scruples or Mr. Zarins
somehow establish a vision and actually design the Blue product line?
Absolutely not, which is why we?ve already begun legal action in the
European Union, Latvia, and soon in the U.S.

Some other matters of interest:

As stated above, Blue has moved the manufacturing operations for
most of its core product line to the United States ? specifically
Southern California, where we are headquartered ? and whatever is
not made here is made in Latvia.
None of our microphones are made in China. We do, however,
source some of our non-critical parts, such as shock-mounts and
cables, from Chinese manufacturers. This enables us to cost-effectively
increase the value of our product line by including free shock-mounts
with each of our mics.

Make no mistake, it was a huge challenge to move manufacturing to
facilities that would allow us to maintain the same quality craftsmanship
recordists have come to expect from Blue over the last decade.
After an intense search and a couple false starts, we settled on hiring
a milling company from the U.S. military contracting world, a finishing
company from the aerospace industry, and an assembly house
skilled in hi-fidelity audio...all located close to home in California,
all highly capable of meeting our ultra-high standards.

Keep in mind that all our ball-shaped microphones are still made
in Latvia. Our circuit boards are also still made in Latvia. Our capsule
assembly and tuning is still done in Latvia, and our Bottle mic is still
made entirely in Latvia. All these aspects of Blue production, as well
as most of our research and development, are still managed by
Martins Saulespurens in Latvia. Most importantly, all our products are
still Blue's unique designs.

Finally, Juris Zarins and Scruples had nothing to do with Blue?s
restoration service. Our restoration service particularly inhibited the
production output of our Bottle microphone; we therefore discontinued
the service in order to fully concentrate on the Bottle and other Blue
products. We can only guess that JZ Equipment says they offer
restoration services because that?s what Blue had done.

We hope this information has proven helpful, and would like to thank
you all very much for your interest in what the future holds for
Blue Microphones. For our part, we are very proud to have served this
industry for ten years now, and can?t wait to bring even better solutions
to the recording industry for another ten years ? and beyond!

Thanks,
Ari Soudak
 
Yeah there has been a lot of comments made by both companies over the last day or two on gearslutz...


If someone is employed to design microphones for a company, doesn't the company own the designs? I know BLUE state that JZ didn't design them... but JZ sure as hell is claiming he did, but if he was employed to do it by BLUE... ?
 
[quote author="Sammas"]
If someone is employed to design microphones for a company, doesn't the company own the designs? I know BLUE state that JZ didn't design them... but JZ sure as hell is claiming he did, but if he was employed to do it by BLUE... ?[/quote]

I don't know. Blue say JZ did not design the mics. That's a clear statement. Did Michael Jackson write Beatles songs because he owns the publishing rights? If JZ designed the mics, If he was under contract (which JZ claims never existed) Blue would have rephrased it to something like: "all microphones were designed by engineers contracted by Blue."

This is getting more and more complicated, and I'm sure neither side will tell us the whole story. It's up to the lawyers now, I guess.
 
Hello,
It is bad practice to publish statements without signing them.
What does it mean "we at Blue Microphones" ?
Who are "we" and who are "Blue Microphones", I do not know such company...

There is US, CA located company "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics", LLC.
Latvian company "Scruples" Ltd. was never hired for manufacturing by "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics".
Beginning from 1998 "Scruples" offered, then manufactured and sold "Scruples" originally designed products to "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics".
There were 6 (six) "Scruples" originally designed microphone models, plus microphone submodels, plus accesories (including capsules, capsule heads, audio transformers and some other parts for the Bottle microphone), plus a number of parts for restoration and vintage microphones.
In 1998-2004 "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics" was distributing and selling them worldwide from their US office.
Our cooperation was cancelled in October 2004, because several last years:
- it was impossible to sign manufacturing-sales contracts with "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics",
- we stated illegal production and sales copied from our Baby Bottle design Blubird microphones,
- we stated illegally registered US patent on our Baby Bottle microphone design,
- we had problems with receiving payments in time,
- payment question was used by "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics" as pressure instrument on "Scruples".

After cancelling of our cooperation problem become to the new level now:
- "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics" is producing and selling a number of counterfeited imitations of our originally designed microphone models,
- "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics" is systematically worldwide attacking our patents, designs, trademarks, business partners, marketing, eBay sales, discussion boards, etc.

There are two concrete owners of "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics" - Mr. Bernard Wise and Mr. Martins Saulespurens.
Any statement, etc. published information not signed or accepted by them looks like nothing, but it damages our business.
I understand why there is zero information directly from them...

JZ
@ Scruples


[quote author="soundguy"]the following is from the BLUE email newsletter:


Subject: Blue Mic V. Violet - Official Response
From: [email protected]
Reply-To: [email protected]
X-ELNK-AV: 0

We at Blue Microphones would like to make a statement regarding
the ongoing speculation over the original design of Blue?s product
line and Blue?s current business dealings. We have not
commented on these subjects until now simply because our
legal advisors have specifically recommended that we not
participate in the rumor mill. However, we now believe that the
amount of time and misguided speculation that has been
invested on these subjects by forum visitors requires a response.

This statement is intended to set the record straight and will be
the one and only comment offered by Blue Microphones.
Skipper Wise, Martins Saulespurens, and all of the dedicated
and hard-working people at Blue sincerely appreciate those who
have supported us throughout the years and those who will continue
to support Blue Microphones in the future.

First, the design issue:

At the onset of Blue?s incorporation, we hired a Latvian medical
manufacturer called Scruples to manufacture certain metals
parts and perform the final assembly of certain microphones.
Scruples, which is owned in part by Juris Zarins, signed a
non-compete agreement with Blue and used their
manufacturing expertise to construct our product.

As the Blue line caught on, our relationship with Mr. Zarins
became strained as he fought for a bigger piece of the pie.
Mr. Zarins began attempting to leverage our manufacturing
relationship with Scruples to assert claims to our products.
Mr. Zarins attempted to circumvent Blue by creating a company
called ParaBlue that would sell Blue products directly to customers.
In conjunction with these activities, Scruples became less and less
interested in cooperating with Blue?s efforts to manage production
flow and quality control. Since Scruples would not continue to meet
our needs, we found new manufacturers ? right here in America ? who could.

After Blue terminated all business relations with Scruples in
October of 2004, Scruples violated our non-compete agreement
by supplying microphones to a new company of Mr. Zarins,? Violet
Designs, whose trademark infringes on Blue's trademark. Mr. Zarins
began creating unauthorized duplications of our products under the
name JZ Equipment, which was in clear violation of both our
intellectual property rights and the non-compete agreement.
Mr. Zarins has also made a deceptive attempt to register Blue?s
microphone designs with the European Union.

So, did Scruples make choices in what techniques and technologies
should be used to manufacture Blue?s products? Of course, that?s
what they were hired and paid to do. Did Scruples or Mr. Zarins
somehow establish a vision and actually design the Blue product line?
Absolutely not, which is why we?ve already begun legal action in the
European Union, Latvia, and soon in the U.S.

Some other matters of interest:

As stated above, Blue has moved the manufacturing operations for
most of its core product line to the United States ? specifically
Southern California, where we are headquartered ? and whatever is
not made here is made in Latvia.
None of our microphones are made in China. We do, however,
source some of our non-critical parts, such as shock-mounts and
cables, from Chinese manufacturers. This enables us to cost-effectively
increase the value of our product line by including free shock-mounts
with each of our mics.

Make no mistake, it was a huge challenge to move manufacturing to
facilities that would allow us to maintain the same quality craftsmanship
recordists have come to expect from Blue over the last decade.
After an intense search and a couple false starts, we settled on hiring
a milling company from the U.S. military contracting world, a finishing
company from the aerospace industry, and an assembly house
skilled in hi-fidelity audio...all located close to home in California,
all highly capable of meeting our ultra-high standards.

Keep in mind that all our ball-shaped microphones are still made
in Latvia. Our circuit boards are also still made in Latvia. Our capsule
assembly and tuning is still done in Latvia, and our Bottle mic is still
made entirely in Latvia. All these aspects of Blue production, as well
as most of our research and development, are still managed by
Martins Saulespurens in Latvia. Most importantly, all our products are
still Blue's unique designs.

Finally, Juris Zarins and Scruples had nothing to do with Blue?s
restoration service. Our restoration service particularly inhibited the
production output of our Bottle microphone; we therefore discontinued
the service in order to fully concentrate on the Bottle and other Blue
products. We can only guess that JZ Equipment says they offer
restoration services because that?s what Blue had done.

We hope this information has proven helpful, and would like to thank
you all very much for your interest in what the future holds for
Blue Microphones. For our part, we are very proud to have served this
industry for ten years now, and can?t wait to bring even better solutions
to the recording industry for another ten years ? and beyond!

Thanks,
Ari Soudak[/quote]
 
[quote author="JZ Recording"]Hello,
It is bad practice to publish statements without signing them.
[/quote]

how many user names do you have here? Daniel/madharem/jz recording?

Its bad practice to do what?

I understand why there is zero information directly from them...

Because their lawyers advised them not to air their dirty laundry on the internet and settle the matter in court? Those are tall claims of ownership coming from a company that was already shut down in court once and can not produce one single trademark on file with the US Patent office.

moderators, can we have the several spam threads from this guy condensed into one?

dave
 
[quote author="soundguy"][quote author="JZ Recording"]Hello,
It is bad practice to publish statements without signing them.
[/quote]

how many user names do you have here? Daniel/madharem/jz recording?

Its bad practice to do what?

I understand why there is zero information directly from them...

Because their lawyers advised them not to air their dirty laundry on the internet and settle the matter in court? Those are tall claims of ownership coming from a company that was already shut down in court once and can not produce one single trademark on file with the US Patent office.

moderators, can we have the several spam threads from this guy condensed into one?

dave[/quote]

Thats interesting... JZ do you have any patents and if so where are they? I would really like to see them. Also if you already have a production company why did you enter into business with BLUE in the first place? Why didn't you just advertise and build the business yourself? There are a lot of holes in your story.
 
[quote author="buttachunk"]Blue is turning out to be the Milli Vanilli of microphone companies."

milli.jpg
[/quote]

I've... -been searching... -high....

I've... -been searching... -low.......

:green:

Keef
 
[quote author="buttachunk"]It seems that JZ made the mics and BLUE was the marketing company.[/quote]

While that may certainly be true, it does not prove either side as the owner of the trademarks and patents in question. I'm not defending BLUE, in fact I think changing the mic capsule in the Dragonfly and still refer to awards and reviews from two or three years ago in their ads and website amounts to false advertisement. It also poses the all-important question: Why did they change their award-winning capsule in the first place, if in fact they own the design?

But on the other hand, it would be SO EASY for JZ to show patent documents to back his claims, that not showing them is pretty suspicious. Then he publishes this cease and desist letter to BLUE written by a 5 year-old, uses shills to discredit BLUE, doesn't answer any more questions about the whole thing than BLUE, and to top it off, pollutes the net and this forum with anti-BLUE spam... these are all good indication of what his business skills and practices are like, so who's to say he didn't pull some weird **** like BLUE claims?

Like I said before, I'm sure the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Peace,
Al.
 
I would think that if in fact JZ was building these mics for BLUE that there would be no down time if he decided to produce them illegally. Where as if BLUE had to move 90% of they're production to the US there would be considerable down time.

buttachunk, I'm not really concerned about who made the mics. Anybody can make a mic if you have the right tools and quality control. Who designed it and owns the intellectual rights to it is what is in question. If this JZ guy is the genious he claims to be and he did design all those great mics then I find it hard to believe that he let himself get in a position like that with BLUE.
 
[quote author="alk509"] Why did they change their award-winning capsule in the first place, if in fact they own the design?[/quote]

just to play the devil's advocate, maybe they arent using it to spite the guy. Stranger things have happened. Perhaps they had an exclusive licensing deal where as they are the only people that can purchase and use the capsule in commercial products and dont actually own the design. Perhaps clone company guy does own the design, still doesnt necessarily mean he's able to legally use it in a commercial product. Im sure we can find countless countless countless examples of stuff like this in the business world. They get sick of trying to be muscled by their supplier so they go and find a new one just to screw with their supplier the way their supplier tried to screw with them. Both ends of an exclusive licensing agreement *should* be binding, but sometimes they arent possibly allowing for the above scenario.

One of my best friends wrote, performed and produced a record. He owns his own label. Before starting his label up, he signed a licensing distribution deal and as result of the contract, he cant release his own record which he owns all the rights to on his own label for a certain number of years (er, non compete, hello) as per the licensing contract. The demand for this particular record is substantial inside his fan base, but for whatever reason, the distributor that has licensed the record either cant afford to produce the records or cant be bothered and as a result, its very difficult to acquire this one record while the rest of this guy's catalog sells exceptionally well for an indie guy.

there's one example, we can come up with a million more in just about every industry out there.

dave
 
I see you guys have a lot of time on your hands...who wants to come over and be my assistant engineer or better yet be my gofer or coffee boy, thank me later. Just messing with you guys, but still....come on now.
 
[quote author="buttachunk"]

If you read that last note, it simply addresses some issues that many people have been asking him to address. It's not very viciously anti-BLUE,, it addresses their public statements and quotes them. I don't see what is wrong with that. He is not God of the internet, and has no way to get that information into the threads that concern his mics other than to post a public statement. Yes, multiple instances.



[/quote]

Yes but he posted the exact same message in 3 er 4 different threads. That's SPAM.

I think both companies are being big giant poopy-heads. If Mat-amP and Orange (ironic huh) can split up and still be friends, why can't others do the same. I personally won't buy either company's products.
 
[quote author="buttachunk"] What position did he get into that's too hard to believe ? He built mics, and they marketed them. Now BLUE is trying to block him from selling his mics, while they are selling different mics as originals.[/quote]

Butta, I can appreciate you trying to get into this guys corner and stick up for the underdog and all, and I assure you that if BLUE came on this board and made the type of accusations that JZ has made they would get smashed the same way. I think perhaps you are missing the issue that has myself and others on this board completely aggrivated:

JZ is making *LEGAL* claims that he can not or at least has not substantiated. He reads the board, ignores questions and posts propaganda.

BLUE on the other hand is basically minding their business (or hiding) and isnt shouting a bunch of *legal* bravada on the internet.

It appears through the actions in a court of LAW, that somehow, BLUE is LEGALLY entitled to stop certain activity from the clone company. BLUE is also LEGALLY entitled to change their product specificaitons, including the capsule, without notifying me or you. Both of us might take our own personal issue with either of these concepts, but under the eye of the *law*, BLUE isnt really doing anything to get smashed over.

nobody is arguing about who designed a mic. I dont think anyone really cares either. Months ago, clone guy claimed to design stuff, got flak, responded with satisfying evidence to back his claim and that was the end of it.

The guy is making LEGAL claims of rights to a product. Instead of addressing this issue, the board gets spammed, not with a post that addresses any of us here or any of the issues we have discussed here but is simply a prepared statement to refute BLUE's statement.

I dont think anyone has their panties in a bunch over a creative issue or over who did what, all some of us want is some documentation to back a statement which, when considering the surrounding *evidence in public record* NOT conjecture or claims, is slightly hard to believe. thats it.

If I came on this board and claimed to own your company but didnt respond to any questions about it and didnt provide any proof when prompted but continued to post about my products through my claims and my claims alone, I would be disappointed if people just backed me up because they thought I was cool or something. This guy isnt saying anymore "I designed all those mics, here is my new company". That week came and went. Now its "I designed these mics, this is my new company, I own the patents and trademarks on these mics, you cant make them, you cant sell them, you cant show them at AES, you cant advertise them, its all illegal action against my new company", well, thats kind of a world of difference in statement and if you make the choice to publically air this I think you have somewhat of an obligation to back up your claims. ESPECIALLY so if the new company claiming to own a product didnt exist for the entire several year period other company was actually selling the product. Its not like the patent office doesnt have the application online for public viewing, nobody is asking for top secret trade info or anything like that, all his claims can be proven in public record. This is just a legal issue and the answer is sort of black and white.

Either way, this guy has contributed Z E R O to this group, his posts either advertise his products or bash his competitors products. He has never discussed his circuits, he has never discussed his capsules, he has never discussed his power supplies and nor should he either, but its not like he's been some positive contributor here who all of a sudden is getting smashed because us bullies started posting before our morning coffee or something. There are legitimate questions being raised that have direct answers that are of public record, answers that are free of opinion, and answers that would basically quell the speculation that is going on here. This isnt about who, how, or why someone got screwed or how we should react or feel in regards to one side or the other.

I dig the fact that ethan gave this guy the boot and we should all probably let this go to respect that and certainly Im the bigggest idiot here fanning the flames. As a guy who has been in battles over this type of crap I just think its important to note how out of line it is to publically post this kind of information and then not back it up with public record. If you claim you have a trademark, it shouldnt be out of line to post your filing number upon request. Anyhow, my issues with this lay mostly in that camp and feel it really important to differentiate that. You are either legally entitled to something or you arent. And if the issue is so ******* gray you go to court to work it out which only an insane person would parallel with screaming in public about how you own something.

I wasnt going to add anymore to these threads but posted this with the hopes of focusing the issue of the black and white away from our own interpretation of the gray. If you have a patent or trade mark registered, there is a filing number that is a matter of public record. you either have it or you dont.

dave
 
[quote author="buttachunk"][quote author="soundguy"]JZ is making *LEGAL* claims that he can not or at least has not substantiated. [/quote]

Really ? You can prove that ?[/quote]

no, I cant, so I'll rephrase that. JZ has been asked to substantiate his claims of right with proof that is in the public record which so far he has not done.

You are a smart guy and I know you understand the point of my post. While its fun to point these two entities against each other, this isnt about BLUE vs. JZ as we will all go around in circles on the topic forever. Its simply JZ against JZ. He made some claims which can be backed up by public record. Please do so. If BLUE was on here talking the same way we could ask them, but they are not and even though you may think I support them, I dont, I frankly think the direction the company took when they embraced digidesign as partners was garbage and totally changed the direction of where they were headed from when they started but this isnt about my opinion one way or another. JZ either has a trademark which is being violated or he is telling a lie and thats the end of the issue with me. BLUE either has a tradmark which is being violated or they dont. I can honestly give a **** who is right one way or another.


And when is the designer and original manufacturer a "clone company" ?

when you copy and paste a website and replace the word BLUE with the word VIOLET. Have you been following this from the beginning? Its not the mics that just originally looked the same... There is sooo much water under this bridge man... Im not saying they make clone MICS. Im saying they made a clone COMPANY. Note the difference.



[quote author="soundguy"]BLUE is also LEGALLY entitled to change their product specificaitons, including the capsule, without notifying me or you.

They are advertising it as the original award-winning microphone that it is not. It is in fact a completely different microphone made in a different factory, with a different design-- it is absolutely not the original award-winning mic it is claimed to be. There is no question of that. The legal term for that is fraud.[/quote]

I think you are making an awful lot of assumptions here. How many units did BLUE receive from JZ? How many units have been shipped to users? How many "new design" mics have orders even placed for them. Doesnt the possibility exist that BLUE has a warehouse full of the original award-winning microphones waiting to be sold? If they average X units shipped a month and have 10X units on hand in warehouse, when is the appropriate time to change the advertising? I dont know what the case is but I do know that accusing them doesnt make it necessarily fact.


[quote author="soundguy"]The guy is making LEGAL claims of rights to a product.

BLUE is selling different mics as originals with no discernable differentiation. [/quote]

are they selling them or did JZ just get one? I have no clue either way but believe this to be a fair question.

[quote author="soundguy"]Now its "I designed these mics, this is my new company, I own the patents and trademarks on these mics, you cant make them, you cant sell them, you cant show them at AES, you cant advertise them"

That is also exactly what BLUE is claming.[/quote]

It sure is. If this goes to court they can also claim use in commerce for several years. Study up, trademark law is a BITCH. Whats the VERY first thing a patent or trademark attorney does when you file your application? Good luck JZ, honestly.

[quote author="soundguy"]but under the eye of the *law*, BLUE isnt really doing anything to get smashed over.

You are the eye of the law ? [/quote]

when blue does something PROVEN that is wrong, I will gladly smash them with you, I promise. I am most pointedly not the law. However

[quote author="ethan"]JZ ABSOLUTELY NO MORE talk of your company or your products on this forum.
The same goes for anyone affiliated with BLUE.[/quote]

perhaps we should move this discussion to our email and respectfully let this disappear.
 
[quote author="SSLtech"]I've... -been searching... -high....
I've... -been searching... -low.......[/quote]
I've been searching at uspto.gov... and I found:

1 patent filed by "Baltic Latvian Univ..." for "ornamental design" on 30 April 2004 (D504,126), inventors cited as Saulespurens; Martins and Wise; Bernard

Zero patents filed by Zarins; Juris

Which does not mean that they are not there somewhere, but does mean that they don't turn up easily...

It is MUCH easier to search by number (hint hint)

There are some refs here to the EU trademark site that show what appear to be design patents assigned to Juris Zarins / Scruples all in Jan 2005... Seems strange that these designs were out as long as they have been with no patents.

Remember that there are four sides to every story"
Yours
Mine
The "Truth"
The side that the media will present (which usually has nothing to do with items 1 to 3 above)

Peace!
Charlie
 
[quote author="buttachunk"]As long as we are discussing provable facts, we should keep the discussion to facts.[/quote]

agreed.


We have proven that new mics are being sold to consumers and are not what they are claimed to be.

when was this proven?

JZ posted a picture which proves new mics are being manufactured and exist. If there is months of shippable stock of the old mic, the advertising does not become fraud because we want it to be. Just because JZ either physically had a mic or a picture of the mic does not necessarily prove that you get one of those when you walk in a store. Again, I have no clue, just playing devils advocate.

[quote author="soundguy"]I do know that accusing them doesnt make it necessarily fact.

With pictures, websites, the real original mics as comparison, and witnesses as evidence ?[/quote]

this proves they exist. this does zero in my book to prove they are being retailed. did JZ say he bought one in a store? If he did then I take all this back and you are right.


[quote author="soundguy"]perhaps we should move this discussion to our email and respectfully let this disappear.

i'm not JZ or affiliated with BLUE, but I understand why you may want to make this a private discussion.[/quote][/quote]

I would love to discuss this further, I enjoy a good debate. Ethan made a request, Im suggesting honoring it. Im not trying to protect BLUE. Im trying to protect my longevity on this board.

dave
 
I do some design work for pro audio manufacturers primarily run by salesmen and there are days when I think that my **** doesnt stink, but this is out of hand. Its hard for me to believe the rap from a company like "Violet" whose initial marketing plan includes printing some barely readable legal correspondence on their homepage.

[quote author="JZ Recording"]
There is US, CA located company "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics", LLC.company "Scruples" Ltd. was never hired for manufacturing by "Baltic Latvian
Latvian Universal Electronics".
Beginning from 1998 "Scruples" offered, then manufactured and sold "Scruples" originally designed products to "Baltic Latvian Universal Electronics".
[/quote]

Slippery at best. I seriously doubt this company will last. They certainly won't get many more contract manufacturing gigs.

Helsing
 
Im not posting on this thread tomorrow.

It was proven with a photograph that a new BLUE capsule exsists.

existing and being sold in marketplace are two entirely with nothing to do with each other conversations if there ever were. Many if not most auto manufacturers make "concept" cars for trade shows which doubtfully meet emission or safety specifications, but they are not manufactured for sale so I imagine you couldnt sue chrysler for their concept car model not meeting US emission standards for thhe transmission installed in the car. Im not suggesting that BLUE doesnt fully intend upon selling the "new" mics, merely bringing up the possibility that JZ may NOT have purchased that mic retail and that blue may have large stocks of the old mic and may not be comitting fraud at all. Or you may be %100 correct. But the possibility does exist. Just because you make 1000 things doesnt mean they are for sale. I live in a house. I can post a picture of it on the internet. Its not for sale. That means you cant buy it.

If that same capsule makes it into a court room, with a reciept, that's the end of the debate.

the debate ends when the mic is sold not when it is created. JZ was their fabricator not the accountant.

There is no way BLUE can sell a new mic that is an original mic, as claimed.

can they sell an original mic as an original mic? Because a guy who in the last several months has done nothing but attempt to throw mud at them has posted a photograph on the internet, that all of a sudden makes any inventory they may have on the old mic with the original capsule irrelevant? It makes their sales fraudalent even if they are selling EXACTLY what they are advertising? Perhaps their plan is to exhaust their stock and then let the cat out of the bag? Perhaps all comes clean at AES this year? A trade show would be a convenient time to make such an announcement, no? Im willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until AES and then I will consider smashing them.

No new mic can be an original mic, yet they clearly claim to be making new mics as originals which is not feasible.

again, where did they claim this? Im honestly not baiting but just asking. Their new statement speaks to standards, the copy on the site was written likely months if not years ago. They have copy on their site speaking to award winning design, but we dont know definitively that they arent, in fact, still supplying the award winnning mic. Whats on the shelf at guitar center? What shows up at guitar center when they order the mic for you? The possibility does exist that they have a mountain of inventory to ship. The photograph that JZ posted is simply not evidence beyond a reasonable doubt that the mic in the picture is what is being sold. It exists. The copy on the website is OLD. They still may have OLD stock. Their CURRENT statement is not them hiding behind lies. They are upfront about their manufacturing. Perhaps when they begin to SELL the new mics, we can expect a statement about it from the company. Is it so out of line to give them the benefit of the doubt? What about the rest of their line? JZ will surely post on the other boards the other "counterfeit" capsules as soon as he has pictures of them. We all know he's not making them anymore, we all know BLUE has to make more of them, so we can look forward to him continuing with this. Why keep this discussion to the dragonfly? It's practically the whole line. What about all the other mics. Are they NOT counterfeit just because JZ hasnt posted a picture yet? Its about the same logic.

On the other hand, you may be %100 correct with your assumption and Im more than happy to agree with your position once proof from a third party provides it. Im trying to be fair. Do you honestly feel that an unbalanced party can look at the photograph that JZ posted with his "counterfeit" statement and draw the conclusion that a) BLUE has exhausted their stock of "award winning" original dragonfly mics and that b)the advertised mic is no longer available for sale at retail outlets and c)when you order a new dragonfly you get a made in america dragonfly with a different capsule.

ALL of that may be true and I wouldnt be suprised in the least if it was, I just cant draw that kind of a conclusion based upon the information provided from JZ or whatever anonymous psudonym was used to post the information in an "unsigned" post. We were informed by none other than JZ himself that

[quote author="JZ recording"]It is bad practice to publish statements without signing them. [/quote]

but get

[quote author="daniel"]It is dangerous to buy BLUE now! These are cheap replicas! You are ready pay lot of money for chinese made capsule?[/quote]

I guess you dont sign the libelous statements, that might not do well for you in court. Unfortunately for JZ, it doesnt do well for you here either

[quote author="ethan"]I did some digging.
JZ, this is silly. Limit your self-promotion to the Black Market under one screenname.
(BTW: note to Moderators, you will soon, once again have the ability to track IPs directly, once I get a chance to install the update. Thanks.)[/quote]

As much as I enjoy this, unless Im invited to continue by a moderator, out of respect to the moderators request, Im punching out of this for now. Im willing to give BLUE the benefit of the doubt. I surely wont be suprised if they turn out to be the demon, but until there is third party evidence, Im just not willing to jump on the hate train because JZ makes an accusation. If that action makes me biased, fine. JZ has done plenty to descredit himself on this board and he has done plenty to NOT rectify it. Simply linking public record would change the world for this guy. Im just trying to be fair and he wore me out long ago. Lets see what BLUE does, but you know, lets actually see versus just jumping on a bandwagon. Thats what Im doing at least.

In closing, perhaps we can all reflect on some wisdom:

[quote author="nice guy eddie"]
The man you killed was just
released from prison. He got
caught at a company warehouse full
of hot items. He could've walked
away. All he had to do was say my
dad's name. But instead he shut
his mouth and did his time. He
did four years for us, and he did
'em like a man. And we were very
grateful. So, Mr. Orange, you're
tellin me this very good friend of
mine, who did four years for my
father, who in four years never
made a deal, no matter what they
dangled in front of him, you're
telling me that now, that now this
man is free, and we're making good
on our commitment to him, he's
just gonna decide, right out of
the ****** blue, to rip us off?

Mr. Orange, why don't you tell me
what really happened?
[/quote]

dave
 
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