covid politics

[john12ax7]

Both parties have long ago sold out the people.

 

[iturnknobs]

i can argue Democrats are the same all day long!

Please post in context...(Gorsuch, need I say more). We can move on to gerrymandering or the fact that Wyoming(560,000) has the same number of senate seats as California(39,000,000) and Mitch McConnell(R) broke constitutional norms by not even hearing SCOTUS nominee by the president. Instead of brandishing AR-15s outside the Michigan State courthouse, the entire country should gave been on the lawn of the Capitol building in DC with their firearms. For some reason

 

[iturnknobs]

...democrats don't pull this sh*t. SHAME ON the USa. Seriously, guns at the Capitol in Michigan. What is wrong with these Republicans? Someone is looking for a civil war, and it's not the left.

 

[JohnRoberts]

Maybe we need another thread just about typical team politics, instead of COVID related politics... 

JR

 

[iturnknobs]

Maybe we need another thread just about typical team politics, instead of COVID related politics... 

JR

...now thread related. WTF is going on with the President and the gems that vote for him?  This behavior will incite violence. The right is wrong. Speak up, speak out... and you don't need a gun in your hand to protest public safety health measures.

 

[iturnknobs]

...convince me otherwise.

 

[JohnRoberts]

...convince me otherwise.

I can't so I won't waste mine and the rest of the forum's time trying.
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OK I will start another thread for team politics talking points, to hopefully keep this thread relatively clean. 

I have long been interested in the strategies and tools used to marshal support and mold public influence, I am not interested in wrestling mano a mano over the specific hot button talking points.

Of course keep doing whatever floats your boat, but i will try to herd the kittens on the WWW once again.

JR

 

[crazydoc]

I can't so I won't waste mine and the rest of the forum's time trying.
JR

So don't - no one's mind was ever changed on an internet forum, only by the  vicissitudes of real life.

 

[JohnRoberts]

So don't - no one's mind was ever changed on an internet forum, only by the  vicissitudes of real life.

Businesses and especially politicians spend a lot of money and effort trying to influence sentiment via social media...

Thanks, I just said I won't so telling me don't is superfluous.

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Back on topic I will feel better about the state of things when I can again purchase N95 masks... right now they are restricted to health professionals and first responders. These should be widely available for professionals especially and any who want them.

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Apparently there are a number of fake covid 19 antibody tests being sold to consumers.  FDA opened the floodgates to get more testing but apparently some tests don't work.

JR

 

[crazydoc]

Businesses and especially politicians spend a lot of money and effort trying to influence sentiment via social media...

Thanks, I just said I won't so telling me don't is superfluous.

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Back on topic I will feel better about the state of things when I can again purchase N95 masks... right now they are restricted to health professionals and first responders. These should be widely available for professionals especially and any who want them.

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Apparently there are a number of fake covid 19 antibody tests being sold to consumers.  FDA opened the floodgates to get more testing but apparently some tests don't work.

JR

Sorry, I meant don't bother with a new thread, but after I posted this I saw you already did. Carry on. 

Regarding the masks, I have several of the N95's of different configurations and other surgical masks that I bought at HFT years ago for sanding. I don't think any mask makes an adequate seal with the face to avoid mixing with some air from the sides so I suppose they may help avoid viral inhalation, maybe enough to significantly decrease the viral load but not to completely avoid exposure. Just my experiential opinion.

As far as the tests, none has been approved in reality by the FDA - they've only given Emergency Use Authorization:

The Emergency Use Authorization (EUA) authority allows FDA to help strengthen the nation’s public health protections against CBRN threats by facilitating the availability and use of MCMs needed during public health emergencies.

Under section 564 of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act (FD&C Act), the FDA Commissioner may allow unapproved medical products or unapproved uses of approved medical products to be used in an emergency to diagnose, treat, or prevent serious or life-threatening diseases or conditions caused by CBRN threat agents when there are no adequate, approved, and available alternatives.

So I don't know if any of the tests out there are adequate regarding sensitivity and specificity. And as several medical consultants have noted, a bad test is probably worse than no test at all.

Regarding antibodies, I don't know if any of the test antibodies, or even the antibodies produced by recovered individuals are neutralizing antibodies - that is, antibodies that bind to a site on the virus that prevent it from entering a cell and replicating, or if they are just antibodies to other sites on the virus and don't prevent disease. Time will tell.

 

[hodad]

So how is the rightwing astoturf orgs 'stirring up these stupid protests, and Trump's explicit support of said protests, any better than the preachers  who insisted on holding Easter services in violation of shelter in place rules?  What kind of a leader is a president who actively works against the states' governors in their efforts to protect their citizens and reopen their economies in a safe and timely fashion. 

Trump is morally and temperamentally unfit to lead this nation.  He's shown this quite clearly over the past week.  He should have been impeached but Republicans are too craven and self-serving to know what's right anymore.

 

[hodad]

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/04/17/senate-democrats-mike-pence-conference-call-192868

Basically, the White House wants to "reopen" the economy, but they don't have the testing capacity, don't have a plan for managing the data, don't have a target for when they'll have testing or how much they will actually need. 

Cart before the horse.  Not to mention the stunning incompetence.

 

[mtw]

My hepa rated Hoover vacuum cleaner bags are rated to catch 5 micron particles (dust-allergens).  The actual virus is much smaller than 5 microns, but the water droplets the virus generally travels in are about that size.

I haven't started cutting up my unused vacuum cleaner bag (yet) but today at Walmart doing my weekly grocery shopping I tried to buy more... only found a generic walmart bag....  I took it home and it doesn't mention hepa so probably isn't.

I still think proper n95 masks should be more widely available.

How about inventing a better mask?

JR
 

Just a friendly reminder that HEPA filters contain borosilicate glass fibers. I've seen "tutorials" describing how to make one, they all involve some sort of cutting or opening up of the filter itself. 

 

[john12ax7]

...convince me otherwise.

In keeping with this thread one only needs to look at the recent "stimulus " package.  Both parties tried to sneakily put in things to further their agendas.  In the end both parties overwhelmingly supported a package that predominantly benefits the top earners.

 

[iturnknobs]

So don't - no one's mind was ever changed on an internet forum, only by the  vicissitudes of real life.

Real life.

 

[iturnknobs]

..."very fine people on both sides". The thread is titled COVID politics and this is a demonstration regarding said issue. If something else is going on here, it should be acknowledged and spoken out about, because I don't and wouldn't dress like that going to a protest because it is an obviously antagonistic behavior. I guess that's what separates left from right. If this displeases anyone, they could speak amongst themselves within their own subset of society and discourage the reinforcement of a stereotype... or not.

 

[boji]

Someone is looking for a civil war, and it's not the left.

 

"Someones looking to get electrocuted and it's not the left lead on the plug!"  -Left lead on the plug

 

[Script]

"Women leaders are doing a disproportionately great job at handling the pandemic," says this article.

True food for thought. Read, compare with what you read, and decide for yourselves.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/asia/women-government-leaders-coronavirus-hnk-intl/index.html

 

[iturnknobs]

"Women leaders are doing a disproportionately great job at handling the pandemic," says this article.

True food for thought. Read, compare with what you read, and decide for yourselves.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/14/asia/women-government-leaders-coronavirus-hnk-intl/index.html

I have always been a proponent of women being in charge. I've asked for employees in leadership positions to be women at my workplaces in the past. Seems that the lack of testosterone and often innate nurturing characteristics produce well thought out results and prevent a lot of unnecessary stupidity. I would guess we'd be better off with a woman than Cheeto-lini, but we can't have a woman in charge who organizes child porn in the basement of pizzerias. 
Unfortunately this article is dead on point, but there are those on the right that won't even compare the job of "their boy" to these women because CNN is a "biased" news source. You can't fix stupid. Thank you for posting a link of how things SHOULD be handled during a crisis like this.

 

[iturnknobs]

Almost time for Godwin's Law.

Since you brought it up... I'm guessing these aren't libtards out for a walk at the protest.